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Lockbox ratio's

tygrusdragontygrusdragon Member Posts: 3 Arc User
edited August 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
dose anyone have an idea of how many lockboxs it takes before you get a ship out of it?
say like out of the Borg lockbox, I want the juggernaut but i dont have the 500 million to get on the exchange
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    It's an old thread, but nothing has really changed -Lock Box Odds.

    Basically, your odds are approx 1:200. 200 Keys gives you approx a 63% chance of getting a ship. That's about 1.3 Billion worth of keys to try and win a ship worth not even half that.

    Follow the advice in the thread, sell the keys and save up for the ship. If you're opening a box to get a ship, you're going to be disappointed. If you work toward saving your EC I think you'll find that 500M is really not very much at all.
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  • shadowkoshshadowkosh Member Posts: 1,688 Arc User
    I had a few Borg boxes first one I opened got the juggernaut just depends there have been times I opened 6 boxes and got a ship but selling keys is way easier
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  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    & this is all unofficial conjecture done by players using various sample sizes usually done on the Tribble test server, I'm not even sure if Cryptic has even ever stated confirmation or denial that the Tribble & Holodeck servers share the same statistical percentages regarding the gambling lol I don't think they even have to publish any official odds & if I was operating a casino I sure would boost the winning odds on the free stuff to entice more people to spend real money on the actual gambling, there's just no accountability besides a player's willingness to gamble or not & try to win, it would be nice if there was some sort of momentum multiplier used for STO gambling but doubtful so good luck
  • trekpuppytrekpuppy Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    These are my results with 1,000 Infinity boxes on Holodeck the other day. Interestingly I got 1,002 drops from them. I have no idea where those 2 extra drops came from or what they were.

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited August 2020
    @trekpuppy - 4 T6 right? That 1:250 matches tests mentioned in the wiki and in old threads here.

    Reddit says 1:200, wiki and old STO threads say 1:250. Either way, if you want just a ship then opening boxes is not the way to get it.
  • trekpuppytrekpuppy Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    Yes, 4x T6 in that batch but I'd have to run MANY such batches to deduce with any useful statistical significance whether the probability is 1:200 or 1:250
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  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    trekpuppy wrote: »
    These are my results with 1,000 Infinity boxes on Holodeck the other day. Interestingly I got 1,002 drops from them. I have no idea where those 2 extra drops came from or what they were.

    Dz6yrUL.png

    You did this on Holodeck (the real server) & not Tribble (the test server)? Goodness gracious!!! I just hope you got what you wanted 1 way or another, that's a lot of practically everything lol
  • miirikmiirik Member Posts: 483 Arc User
    I been playing since 2012, when the legacy of romulus came around.
    I opened some boxes, didn't get a grand prize ship, then on a whim I decided to start counting how many boxes I would have to open before I got a grand prize ship.

    2020 and at over 840+ boxes (the + is for those I did before I started counting), I have still have yet to get a grand prize ship. What do you call those odds?
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    tygrusdragon wrote: »
    but i dont have the 500 million to get on the exchange

    Then buy it. In other words: buy keys, sell them on the exchange for EC, then use that EC to buy the ship off the exchange. Not much more to say about it, TBH.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    tygrusdragon wrote: »
    but i dont have the 500 million to get on the exchange

    Then buy it. In other words: buy keys, sell them on the exchange for EC, then use that EC to buy the ship off the exchange. Not much more to say about it, TBH.

    Just a minor addition: the smart buyer will get their zen during a charge bonus sale, get their keys or R&D/doff promo packs during a sale, then sell them after the sale is over and key / pack prices have gone up again. Stack those discounts.
  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    only time I open lock boxes are when I need lobi for a build and the item is in the lobi store. last purchase was Disco phaser rifles and a boolean cannon.
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  • duasynduasyn Member Posts: 492 Arc User
    tygrusdragon wrote: »
    dose anyone have an idea of how many lockboxs it takes before you get a ship out of it?

    Takes anywhere from 1 to infinite lockboxes.

  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    Ive played since beta, in all that time I have gotten 3 ships from boxes. 2 Galor from the first lockboxes, where there were golden boxes got 2 of them in 40 boxes. Then none till last year I used up my free zen I had laying around about 6k worth and dumped it for "what the hell why not" on a promo cause I wanted to get the TOS connie. I actually ended up getting it, then cryptic sold the legacy bundle not long after.... So I sold it on the exchange for a cool billion.

    Buying keys is not worth it if you want just the ship, its fine for a "what the hell why not" thing but dont go crazy throwing $$$ at it. There have been way to many threads of "I opened 200 lockboxes and got no ship!!! Rabble rabble." Buy keys sell them for credits buy whatever ship you want with credits.

  • starshine#7408 starshine
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    Ive gotten one T6 ship, quite a few fives and I dont want to think about how many R&D packs and other stuff. Enough that by selling them Ive gotten enough EC to buy another ship. So all in all, really not worth it but also self control I do not have.

    Are they not required to give the odds?
    I know phone games that have lockboxes have to legally give the odds because real money is spent on them so gambling regulations from some countries come into effect? (Avengers Academy is the game I learnt about this from as they said this in their FAQ)
    But maybe the, the box isnt what you buy the key is, means that doesnt count as technically youre not buying the thing with odds?
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  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,268 Arc User
    starshine#7408 wrote: »
    Ive gotten one T6 ship, quite a few fives and I dont want to think about how many R&D packs and other stuff. Enough that by selling them Ive gotten enough EC to buy another ship. So all in all, really not worth it but also self control I do not have.

    Are they not required to give the odds?
    I know phone games that have lockboxes have to legally give the odds because real money is spent on them so gambling regulations from some countries come into effect? (Avengers Academy is the game I learnt about this from as they said this in their FAQ)
    But maybe the, the box isnt what you buy the key is, means that doesnt count as technically youre not buying the thing with odds?

    but you do not have to spend real money for Cryptic lock boxes. grind dil-convert on exchange to zen- buy keys. no real money involved. I'm guessing in some blog or webpage somewhere form year one there is a list of all the odds, just to cover their backsides.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    nixie50 wrote: »
    I'm guessing in some blog or webpage somewhere form year one there is a list of all the odds, just to cover their backsides.

    Cryptic has never revealed lock box odds, nor are they required to. The odds that we know of were found though extensive player testing.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited August 2020
    starshine#7408 wrote: »
    Are they not required to give the odds?
    I know phone games that have lockboxes have to legally give the odds because real money is spent on them so gambling regulations from some countries come into effect? (Avengers Academy is the game I learnt about this from as they said this in their FAQ)
    But maybe the, the box isnt what you buy the key is, means that doesnt count as technically youre not buying the thing with odds?

    Isn't that just Belgium so far? It's not the case in most countries yet.

    Some companies might be voluntarily disclosing odds in case that changes or to help prevent new laws, not because they are forced to under current laws.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    duasyn wrote: »
    tygrusdragon wrote: »
    dose anyone have an idea of how many lockboxs it takes before you get a ship out of it?

    Takes anywhere from 1 to infinite lockboxes.

    Always one of the best, & accurate, statements I've read regarding the lockboxes.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee
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    westmetals wrote: »
    I'm guessing there is a legal distinction via the keys, not only because of the fact that you are buying the keys rather than the box, but also because the key is transferrable (the user of the key is not necessarily the person who paid real money for it).

    Also that every box at least has a minimal amount of lobi plus another prize.... it could be considered a "gift with purchase" sort of situation.

    Heck, considering dil conversion, and lifetime stipends.... even the person who bought keys with zen, did not necessarily buy the zen with real money!

    "I'm guessing there is a legal distinction via the keys, not only because of the fact that you are buying the keys rather than the box" I'm no legal scholar but I'm sure there is some sort of distinctive legal language with in mind of what was purchased. It would be interesting to know/learn.

    "Also that every box at least has a minimal amount of lobi plus another prize" This seems to be one of, or the primary, defense in: lockboxes, Promo Packs, lootboxes, most online game gambling as not gambling in general, since there's a guaranteed "consolation" prize.

    "Heck, considering dil conversion, and lifetime stipends.... even the person who bought keys with zen, did not necessarily buy the zen with real money!" That's valid for the pure dilithium transferred into zen, but I disagree about you including Lifetime with stipends. The only way those stipends were bought were with ... real money nor matter the amount. Until Cryptic places a buy a Lifetime Subscription into the C-Store that is.

  • duasynduasyn Member Posts: 492 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    True, but keep in mind that the zen stipend itself has an approximate cash value, and (depending on when the Lifetime was purchased), in 30-60 months the player breaks even. One could make the argument that the stipend zen prior to break-even was "bought at face value" and that the continuation of the stipend after break-even is "free zen".

    At present that would apply to all purchasers prior to August 2015, and some (depending on sales) from then through February 2018.

    Yes, my LTS broke even before the game went F2P. Of course, that includes considering the $12-$15 a month for a subscription at that time. It'd take a new person a long time to re-coop their $200 (or $300) at $5 a month if the stipend is the only value you assign and ignore all the other things the LTS gives.
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