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Longer TFO Misson (raids/dungeons) in STO?
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So far in the game the longst TFO i have ever been in was under 30 Minutes. in other games like WoW, GW etc the "TFO" in those games (raids/dungeons as they are called, i might still be a bit inaccurate) they last way longer and require the players to know the map.
In Infected the Conduit Aka ISA, one to two players can do the entire thing by them self even tho the team is a 5 player team. This means there is almost no team effort exepct the pattern (middle, left, right and back middle).
For other TFO like Swarm, all you need to do is kill any hurqs before they can attack the ships escaping.
In borg disconnected all you need there is to kill all borg quickly or have alot of temp hit points to free the borg and you can one man a side (3 sides 5 players one side will always be alone, but mostly i see 3 players on one side then 2 players on 2sides...).
my Point is that there isnt that much "team effort" in TFO missions and you can camp them and still get a large number of marks. what i want to see is longer TFO missions where you need to know what you're doing to win it. Aka more fail mechanics in them to make them more challangeing in other ways that just More FIRE POWER needed.
why would any one do these?
1. they can give more Marks, or even allwo to select to diffrent marks like, Iconian and Delta.
2. give Dil, im not talking high levels but 3K dil is a good bit for doing one mission and the players who know how to get dil has dil stakced upp alot.
3. they could give EC for doing, say 500k-1mil EC. alot of players have problems making EC as well and having combat missions you can do to get is could help
Before you say but thats OP!, remember the fail mechanics so you need to know what you're doing so you can't just jump in and get it for free
4. Speical TFO Mission gear. to get a Warp core (for an example) you need to get 2 itesm for 5 diffrent TFO missions, (so you need to do it twice and complete it and not fail it) to get it, and yes this is very similar to the "rep stuff"
But for rep stuff you can just load upp counterpoint, camp ur ship on top of DS9 and set weapons to autofire and take a coffie break while the team does the rest, same with the Crystaline entity. you can sit at 9.9km and shoot and move in after each shock wave... there is little effort required. and i want to see fleet being a fleet where players play together more instead of a "fleet store" which is fleets biggest job in the game at the moment
(sorry for some spelling inaccuracy)
In Infected the Conduit Aka ISA, one to two players can do the entire thing by them self even tho the team is a 5 player team. This means there is almost no team effort exepct the pattern (middle, left, right and back middle).
For other TFO like Swarm, all you need to do is kill any hurqs before they can attack the ships escaping.
In borg disconnected all you need there is to kill all borg quickly or have alot of temp hit points to free the borg and you can one man a side (3 sides 5 players one side will always be alone, but mostly i see 3 players on one side then 2 players on 2sides...).
my Point is that there isnt that much "team effort" in TFO missions and you can camp them and still get a large number of marks. what i want to see is longer TFO missions where you need to know what you're doing to win it. Aka more fail mechanics in them to make them more challangeing in other ways that just More FIRE POWER needed.
why would any one do these?
1. they can give more Marks, or even allwo to select to diffrent marks like, Iconian and Delta.
2. give Dil, im not talking high levels but 3K dil is a good bit for doing one mission and the players who know how to get dil has dil stakced upp alot.
3. they could give EC for doing, say 500k-1mil EC. alot of players have problems making EC as well and having combat missions you can do to get is could help
Before you say but thats OP!, remember the fail mechanics so you need to know what you're doing so you can't just jump in and get it for free
4. Speical TFO Mission gear. to get a Warp core (for an example) you need to get 2 itesm for 5 diffrent TFO missions, (so you need to do it twice and complete it and not fail it) to get it, and yes this is very similar to the "rep stuff"
But for rep stuff you can just load upp counterpoint, camp ur ship on top of DS9 and set weapons to autofire and take a coffie break while the team does the rest, same with the Crystaline entity. you can sit at 9.9km and shoot and move in after each shock wave... there is little effort required. and i want to see fleet being a fleet where players play together more instead of a "fleet store" which is fleets biggest job in the game at the moment
(sorry for some spelling inaccuracy)
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This isn't a game for people who want to learn the mechanics to succeed in a long raid. People complain about the few existing TFOs that require anything other than pew pew. Queues that require learning and following other objectives are likely to fail if the group is a PUG instead of a premade team.
Cryptic is a business, so it doesn't make sense for them to spend resources developing a raid like that instead of new story episodes or a short, 5-person, casual-friendly TFO. "The needs of the many."
i did not play back then so i did not know that. thanks!
true, but what you forgot is; what about the people who have done all that? that have their ships, and done their "pew pew", some of them have no reason to logg back into the game since they have done everything. and yes Crypitc is a company that needs money but after what they said 2018 was their best year and 2019 might be better. they are geting more money so its not thay big of an issue at the moment. and who is to say you can do you "fav star trek captain" and the longer TFO? like a actual long term mission. f.eks do nemeis a a mission where you will be chassed by a scimitar. who would not want to do that?
true. but there is still the point you have no massive impact unless you are the main DPSer/ers
as my post said, in ISA 2 people can do the entire thing by them self and thus there is no need for me to do anything when im in thay kind of party. and yes i understand there are down and upps, but if you add it and dont remove anything i dont see many downs sides here
Without unique rewards, nobody would play it.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with above posters this is unlikely to happen, because Cryptic is exclusively focused on Easy Mode for all content, all the time.
So it is unlikely the game will get "harder" or "more complex" again.
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No, but they threw fits and threatened to ragequit
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of course they do. I don't have exact numbers, but I suspect 70% of the player base are casual/beginner types another 20% dedicated players who are yourfleet types, another 7% the majority of the DPS clubs, and the last percentages the elites... the ones who TRIBBLE at the enemy and do 50K dps while the OP wants itto be challeneging, you CANNOT challenge that top 20% without making it impossible for the 70%.. and most of the cash for keeping the hamsters fed come from the 70%.
That thread covers all the reasons that the proposed longer raid missions with fail would be not work well.
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