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snowwolf
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So for a while we've had the female scream when being attacked by a Elachi head thingy, or a fish in Q's winter wonderland.
Now with the recent update, it seems whenever a female character gets shot or attacked. She will often scream out in agony or grunt.
I am not at all happy with how this is portrayed, as the male characters in this game have no sound effects like these. It makes the female characters in the game seem a lot more weaker than their male counterparts when they constantly scream, moan and grunt when being injured / attacked.
Now with the recent update, it seems whenever a female character gets shot or attacked. She will often scream out in agony or grunt.
I am not at all happy with how this is portrayed, as the male characters in this game have no sound effects like these. It makes the female characters in the game seem a lot more weaker than their male counterparts when they constantly scream, moan and grunt when being injured / attacked.
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My Gorn had the female scream once :O
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It's highly sexist to make all female characters in the game appear much weaker and fragile than their male counterparts with the constant pain sounds, when being shot.. Flinged by a melee weapon, or grabbed by an Elachi face hugger.
Meanwhile the male counterparts makes no sounds, there is a difference between having one weak female character or a couple as NPC's, and forcing this trait onto every female character.
It's not a bug, it's a feature they added. You can tell by the way that all the new pain sound effects are new. They are not the basic old facehugger scream. But a new library of "Argh" "Owh" "Hnng" etc.. etc..
Ah, thanks. My captains are all male and I haven't played any ground maps with my away teams in the last couple of weeks.
I agree that the sounds should either be similar for both genders or they should revert this change and remove them.
Portraying a female character as weaker than the male in every combat scenario she encounters in this game. By screaming, yelping, flinching and grunting in pain is sexist. And that is a problem.
And I wouldn't call it intentionally sexist, as has been stated already, never put down to malice what could be explained by incompetence.
But if this is happening (and not happening), it is indeed at least silly. And for those deriding this issue: if you would also think that "sounds for Fed characters, no sounds for KDF characters" (or vice versa) would be a non issue: okay, go on. If you would then scream "Craptic hatezz Klingons!!!!!!!" however ...
The complaint is that right now * only women * feel pain. It's probably a bug, but left as-is it is sexist.
The problem here is that the male characters in the game does not many any sounds at all, if both were making sound effects based upon pain.. It would not be an issue, the main issue here is that the male character is completly silent. While the female character continues to scream, groan and grunt, flinching when getting attacked or injured in anyway.
Just walking off a ledge that's not tall will result in screaming, it's already annoying.
But the main problem is that the female character makes all these sound effects but the male does not. It portrays the female character as a lot weaker than the male one in the game.
Probably a bug or glitch. Let the devs know a fix will get added to the repair list. I'm sure a engineer will get on it soon.
Yeah, for example take Saints Row 3 and 4. You can pick between playing a male or female character, each character has 3 different voice options each. With a different accent, they word things differently and so forth.
The female character might respond differently to situations than the male character does. etc.. etc..
However the good thing here is that the male and female character in Saints Row, both react to pain in somewhat the similar way. Both scream, grunt and flinch.
The biggest problem with Star Trek Online is that ONLY the female character does so, while the male character remains silent. If both male and female characters react to pain, damage and being attacked in somewhat the same matter then it would be okay.
The quarrel here is that only the female character displays signs of being weaker, by letting out sounds when getting attacked or injured. The male does not, making them seem stronger and more immune.
Star Trek Online must make it so both the female and male characters respond audible to pain and being attacked / injured. Or none of them should. If a NPC does it, that's okay because it's one or two characters. But here we are talking all characters...
It even seems that Borg female NPC's scream in pain when you shoot them, which is.. Weird.
Cryptic has taken numerous steps to make the female characters more and more realistic, they've changed walking styles. Body shapes more and more. But adding female pain noises to combat, injuries etc. While leaving the male ones un-finished is quite litteraly a one step forward and five steps backwards approach.
If someone can confirm that the male characters are also getting pain sound effects added, then it'll be alright. So we'll wait for confirmation with that.
But if only the female characters are intended to display these audible sound effects during combat, that's going to be a big no in my book.
Yeah, Star Trek has always done a great job at displaying the female and male genders as equal except the obvious gender differences. And my name on the forum is SnowWolf, not Snowflake..
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
One could say it's highly sexist to perceive female characters as weak because they react differently than male characters to attacks.
Unless female characters are taking more damage from attacks their weakness is only in the minds of those choosing to see them that way.
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Nope, one couldn't without being wrong. Unless there is a good reason to treat different characters differently in a game like this (say, Gorn or Voth having different reactions to cold weather since they're cold blooded), there will always the question of "why", and different treatment without different circumstances connected to the issue at hand justifying them is the very definition of "discrimination".
But even if we take away sexism as a reason (which I will, because I very much doubt that that is the case), it is just plain silly to have randomly different reactions depending on gender or faction or whatever. I would also not be happy with valoreah's explanation of "male sounds not ready yet" because then the proper thing to do would have been to not implement it at all for both genders. Again similar to "oh, the Fed ship isn't ready yet, but we'll let the KDF guys'n'gals have fun with theirs for the 4 weeks it will take". So I will assume that it is just a bug or an oversight and will be corrected with next week's patch.
Still the same caveat: I take the OP's statement as fact, I haven't experienced it first hand.
But apparently the noises come from Bridge Officers? Not sure they came also from my character.
I figure this might be unfinished work that wasn't supposed to be online yet.
But I like the idea. But I would particularly like it for NPCs. A few shouts, ahs, ohs and urks could really liven up ground combat. The enemies really feel robotic with no sound.
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You do not speak for me. You do not speak for all women who play this game. You speak for no one but yourself, period. Don't proclaim to speak for anyone else.
On topic, there is absolutely no reason to ascribe motive to whatever the reason is. We do not know. Proclaiming and assuming some sort of nonsensical sexism is idiotic. None of us are telepaths and cannot read minds of Cryptic Devs. Like so many other things in this game it could well be just another bug or a half implemented feature. It could also be something partially implemented to gain feedback.
Secondly, the fact is, human women are significantly weaker than men, on average. This is a genetic reality. They are also more neurotic than men, on average. This is a well documented psychological fact which again stems from genetic reality.
Of course we are talking about aliens too in this game, and they may or many not conform to the human reality. Humans have also, according to Trek, evolved, so such things may not be reality in the 25th century, and the game offers very few other suggestions that men and women are significantly different in physical or psychological terms, aside from obvious sexual differences. It has also been a tradition in games for a very long time that the only difference between male and female characters is aesthetic.
Therefore I think there are strong arguments for and against the sounds being one sided.
Personally, I find the sounds obnoxious and annoying, chiefly the facehugger scream. I wasn't aware there were no male sounds. I'd be happy to see the sounds removed if male sounds aren't added or planned to be added, but I'm certainly not going to scream nonsense like sexism, because even if it was, it has no effect of importance on any actual living person. No one is going to be denied a job or be otherwise abused because a female in STO screams like a girl.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'