Why Walker class and not Crossfield Bridges for DSC Ships

willamsheridan

Shepard and Nimitz Class ships have access to the Walker class Bridge. But that does not make sense. The Walker Class has the Bridge (for whatever unefficient reason) on the bottom of the saucer and the Nimitz/Shepard have their Bridge on top. The Walker Class has a transparent floor so you can see through the floor and the windows have a totally different angle. Why not add a custom DSC Style or Crossfield class bridge to all DSC Ships. would make much more sense than a Bridge in which you can look through the floor while you know that there should be steel and several Decks

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katanahiryu

The problem is only the walker has it on the bottom atm.

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angrytarg

I think bridges just don't receive a lot of dev attention at the moment and since they were never really integrated into the gameplay at all I fear this will be the final state they're in, if they don'T get removed during a 'quality check' sooner or later.

Do the two alibi missions still exist where you have to go to your bridge to access your computer or did they change those missions?​​

seaofsorrows

I also would greatly prefer the Crossfield Bridge for my Gagarin Class.

I don't expect it to happen, but if it did I would even consider paying for it. I like the Walker Bridge, it generally fits the ship but the OP is right the floor and the Window are not exactly consistent with the rest of the ship.

It's a nit pick of an otherwise perfect ship, but still a good point.

spiritborn

seaofsorrows wrote: »

I also would greatly prefer the Crossfield Bridge for my Gagarin Class.

I don't expect it to happen, but if it did I would even consider paying for it. I like the Walker Bridge, it generally fits the ship but the OP is right the floor and the Window are not exactly consistent with the rest of the ship.

It's a nit pick of an otherwise perfect ship, but still a good point.

Wasn't the Walker set used for "generic bridge" in the series itself though? if so it wouldn't be a STO only problem.

seaofsorrows

spiritborn wrote: »

seaofsorrows wrote: »

I also would greatly prefer the Crossfield Bridge for my Gagarin Class.

I don't expect it to happen, but if it did I would even consider paying for it. I like the Walker Bridge, it generally fits the ship but the OP is right the floor and the Window are not exactly consistent with the rest of the ship.

It's a nit pick of an otherwise perfect ship, but still a good point.

Wasn't the Walker set used for "generic bridge" in the series itself though? if so it wouldn't be a STO only problem.

Yes and no.

The bridges are very similar, there is no doubt that they are just variations of the same bridge. The big difference is as the OP said, the floor is different because of the location of the bridge on the ship.

As you can see here, the Walker has 'glass style' floor. This is because, as said.. the bridge is on the underside of the ship.

The Discovery on the other hand has a solid floor with the raised area for the captains chair being different.

You can also compare the view screen in the Walker Image to this image showing the Discovery View Screen.

They aren't huge differences, I'll definitely give you that. Still it would be nice to see a variant for ships that have the bridge located above the saucer. I get why it's not a priority issue, it's just something that would be nice.

As far as I know there is currently no Discovery Bridge in the game. All the DSC ships use the same Walker Class bridge.

spiritborn

seaofsorrows wrote: »

spiritborn wrote: »

seaofsorrows wrote: »

I also would greatly prefer the Crossfield Bridge for my Gagarin Class.

I don't expect it to happen, but if it did I would even consider paying for it. I like the Walker Bridge, it generally fits the ship but the OP is right the floor and the Window are not exactly consistent with the rest of the ship.

It's a nit pick of an otherwise perfect ship, but still a good point.

Wasn't the Walker set used for "generic bridge" in the series itself though? if so it wouldn't be a STO only problem.

Yes and no.

The bridges are very similar, there is no doubt that they are just variations of the same bridge. The big difference is as the OP said, the floor is different because of the location of the bridge on the ship.

As you can see here, the Walker has 'glass style' floor. This is because, as said.. the bridge is on the underside of the ship.

The Discovery on the other hand has a solid floor with the raised area for the captains chair being different.

You can also compare the view screen in the Walker Image to this image showing the Discovery View Screen.

They aren't huge differences, I'll definitely give you that. Still it would be nice to see a variant for ships that have the bridge located above the saucer. I get why it's not a priority issue, it's just something that would be nice.

As far as I know there is currently no Discovery Bridge in the game. All the DSC ships use the same Walker Class bridge.

Yeah I know the Crossfield bridge is different, I meant the bridge of the Europa we saw in series and possibly that other Fed ship we saw I can't remember if it was a viewscreen coms or a holo coms.

And the Crossfield does use the correct bridge.

evilmark444

Fun fact, originally ships weren't going to have visitable bridges at all, they were only added in because a lot of people complained when they found out.

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artan42

Nimitz Class stuff not used in series 1.​​

angrytarg

> @artan42 said:
> Nimitz Class stuff not used in series 1.​​

Oh nice. Are these early drafts for DSC uniforms? I loathe the blues with gold silver bronze departments. Those stand-ins seem much nicer. Like Kelvin ones with TNG colour codes. The neck 'cape' even has a TNG S1 feel to it 😂

artan42

angrytarg wrote: »

> @artan42 said:
> Nimitz Class stuff not used in series 1.

Oh nice. Are these early drafts for DSC uniforms? I loathe the blues with gold silver bronze departments. Those stand-ins seem much nicer. Like Kelvin ones with TNG colour codes. The neck 'cape' even has a TNG S1 feel to it 😂

I haven't seen any art of those. I think it's more likely they're just stand-ins to show blocking and positioning etc. on the bridge because they look far too TNGS1 to me.​​

neoakiraii

Yes, having the bridge on the bottom is so inefficient, bridges should be on top with a giant bullseye on it saying "shoot here". The Walker class is probably the only ship where the bridge placement makes most sense, if you're trying not to get shot. Anyway then again everyone remembers to shoot the bridge, I'm t when it's too late I'm talking to you Duras sisters you had ONE JOB

spiritborn

neoakiraii wrote: »

Yes, having the bridge on the bottom is so inefficient, bridges should be on top with a giant bullseye on it saying "shoot here". The Walker class is probably the only ship where the bridge placement makes most sense, if you're trying not to get shot. Anyway then again everyone remembers to shoot the bridge, I'm t when it's too late I'm talking to you Duras sisters you had ONE JOB

If you want to prevent the bridge from being hit, it should be either in the middle of the body of the ship or if it needs to have a window not be obviously seperate part of the ship. It doesn't matter anything if the bridge is on top or bottom of the ship, space is 3D after all so enemies can attack from below as well as from the top.

renata666

To quote Rhett Butler from Gone With the Wind, frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. I usually just change the interior of all my starfleet ships to Galaxy class anyway. The one with Ten Forward.

neoakiraii

spiritborn wrote: »

neoakiraii wrote: »

Yes, having the bridge on the bottom is so inefficient, bridges should be on top with a giant bullseye on it saying "shoot here". The Walker class is probably the only ship where the bridge placement makes most sense, if you're trying not to get shot. Anyway then again everyone remembers to shoot the bridge, I'm t when it's too late I'm talking to you Duras sisters you had ONE JOB

If you want to prevent the bridge from being hit, it should be either in the middle of the body of the ship or if it needs to have a window not be obviously seperate part of the ship. It doesn't matter anything if the bridge is on top or bottom of the ship, space is 3D after all so enemies can attack from below as well as from the top.

Harder to hit a bridge when it's on the bottom when your have you back towards your enemy compared to having it sticking out on top where you can easily shoot it from behind, especially in Trek where most times a ship when it maneuvers always has the top facing the enemy it's like they want to get shot...At least the Defiant whenever it was dodging fire the bridge wasn't sticking out like every Enterprise

mustrumridcully0

evilmark444 wrote: »

Fun fact, originally ships weren't going to have visitable bridges at all, they were only added in because a lot of people complained when they found out.

So kinda a hastily added afterthought, like the Injury System. Though the injury system is still more useless. The bridges at least have artistic value and can be used in missions. (Not to represent your own ship, of course, but at least someone else's ship).

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ltminns

We will get a new Bridge Pack when we get an Infomercial Episode like 'Beyond the Nexus'.

All for 1995 Zen. If you call in the next 10 minutes we'll throw in a free Science Lab as well.

Free shipping included.

lordsteve1

In the magazine accompanying the Shenzhou Eaglemoss model the designer actually explains the bridge being on the bottom is to place it in a better defended location; it's hidden from the aft by the nacelles and secondary hull, and most of the time you won't show your ventral side to the enemy.

And I guess if it's working as a sort of survey ship it makes sense to look down on whatever you are exploring.

That Europa bridge concept art is amazing though, i'd love to have that in game.

angrytarg

The Europa concept is a bit Klingon actually, with the long walkway to the stations.

renata666

Since external views are by camera anyway, bridge placement is inconsequential compared to your ability to see outside the ship.

artan42

angrytarg wrote: »

The Europa concept is a bit Klingon actually, with the long walkway to the stations.

I think that might be perspective as well. The shot is from where the turbolift would be and the bridge on the Nimitz is oval but the bridge concept is circular so only half the oval is used with the turbolift positioned in the centre.​​

steaen

seaofsorrows wrote: »

I also would greatly prefer the Crossfield Bridge for my Gagarin Class.

I don't expect it to happen, but if it did I would even consider paying for it. I like the Walker Bridge, it generally fits the ship but the OP is right the floor and the Window are not exactly consistent with the rest of the ship.

It's a nit pick of an otherwise perfect ship, but still a good point.

I feel exactly the same.

I love my Gagarin class, and I had fully intended to use the Walker bridge on it as I love the aesthetic....then I realised why it doesn't make sense, and once I'd realised that I had to change it. I know many will read that and think it the definition of insanity, but those little details do make a difference to me.

evilmark444

azrael605 wrote: »

> @neoakiraii said:
> Yes, having the bridge on the bottom is so inefficient, bridges should be on top with a giant bullseye on it saying "shoot here". The Walker class is probably the only ship where the bridge placement makes most sense, if you're trying not to get shot. Anyway then again everyone remembers to shoot the bridge, I'm t when it's too late I'm talking to you Duras sisters you had ONE JOB

No kidding, they had the shield frequency, all they had to do was fire that first torpedo at the bridge and not the side of the stardrive section in an unimportant place. 1 torp to the bridge and Worf is no longer there to come up with the way to take them out.

Even with the bridge on the bottom of the saucer that's still viable, they just need to attack from below rather than above. The only scifi starship I know of with a truly protected bridge is the remake version of the Battlestar Galactica.

saurializard

evilmark444 wrote: »

azrael605 wrote: »

> @neoakiraii said:
> Yes, having the bridge on the bottom is so inefficient, bridges should be on top with a giant bullseye on it saying "shoot here". The Walker class is probably the only ship where the bridge placement makes most sense, if you're trying not to get shot. Anyway then again everyone remembers to shoot the bridge, I'm t when it's too late I'm talking to you Duras sisters you had ONE JOB

No kidding, they had the shield frequency, all they had to do was fire that first torpedo at the bridge and not the side of the stardrive section in an unimportant place. 1 torp to the bridge and Worf is no longer there to come up with the way to take them out.

Even with the bridge on the bottom of the saucer that's still viable, they just need to attack from below rather than above. The only scifi starship I know of with a truly protected bridge is the remake version of the Battlestar Galactica.

Also, while putting the bridge below the saucer offers a better protection than having it on the top in SOME cases, it still gives several major drawbacks:

-The ship crash-lands on a planet and the bridge is very likely to be one of the first parts to be obliterated by a bumpy landscape
-planetary offensive weapons (usually among the most powerful weapons) like cannons are more likely to hit it
-as the Battle of the Binary Stars clearly shows, the placement is horrible for basic evasive maneuvers as when the ship turns to escape, the bridge is fully exposed to any sort of weapon fire (like how the Sarcophagus causes serious damage with a single torpedo hitting right besides it)
-which brings the question to why nobody thinks of properly adapting their evasive maneuvers with that kind of bridge, like using a "diving" evasive maneuver to use the saucer as a shield (other than "Sci-fi writers forget space is 3D and not the surface of an ocean").


Let's face it, bridges in Star Trek are horribly placed, even if you go with the fact that bridge have the strongest shields. Since viewscreens are a thing in the franchise, a more sensible placement would be in the middle of the saucer where it's the thickest and cameras do the trick. Or if you have to put the bridge with a window, make it much less conspicious and/or put fake highly visible ones elsewhere. Also redundant bridges, like in some scripts of TNG.

jrdobbsjr

Bridge placement in Star Trek is all about “Rule of Cool”, not practicality. Even so, it’s still better than The Space Battleship Yamato’s third bridge, which hangs down below the ship by one thin support.

The Galactica’s CIC in the reboot, OTOH, was very practical, if not sexy.

tyler002

Bridge placement in Star Trek is probably less 'Rule of Cool' and more another example of Trek copying the real life Navy, which usually has the bridge on ships in more or less the same exposed location.

The only exception I know of is Submarines, where the bridge is in the middle of the craft.