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Star Trek Discovery Season 02, Episode 04: An Obol for Charon
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I really liked this episode. So far the season is shaping up well.
The interactions between the new engineer and Stamets were great.
The universal translator malfunctioning was really fun, and gives us some hints how it feels to work with it.
I loved the bridge scene with everyone standing up as Saru left.
The scene between Micheal and Saru in his room went on a bit too long and, unlike the bridge scene, did not quite feel deserved. I mean they worked together closely for several years now, but we haven't really seen much, and they still seemed to be a bit in conflict for most of the time. I guess that makes them a bit dysfunctional siblings.
Have the writers decided that Tilly is going to be this show's O'Brien and she has to suffer? Or is that just for this season.
I have to wonder though - did that alien really appear in the Discover's path by "accident"? Or was it put their by the Red Angels or a 3rd party to delay them? It seems like a big coincidence that they would stumble on a dying cosmozoan while on a sensor chase.
The interactions between the new engineer and Stamets were great.
The universal translator malfunctioning was really fun, and gives us some hints how it feels to work with it.
I loved the bridge scene with everyone standing up as Saru left.
The scene between Micheal and Saru in his room went on a bit too long and, unlike the bridge scene, did not quite feel deserved. I mean they worked together closely for several years now, but we haven't really seen much, and they still seemed to be a bit in conflict for most of the time. I guess that makes them a bit dysfunctional siblings.
Have the writers decided that Tilly is going to be this show's O'Brien and she has to suffer? Or is that just for this season.
I have to wonder though - did that alien really appear in the Discover's path by "accident"? Or was it put their by the Red Angels or a 3rd party to delay them? It seems like a big coincidence that they would stumble on a dying cosmozoan while on a sensor chase.
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I'm liking the character work and Saru continues to get more interesting.
However, another line of exposition about why Pike's Enterprise won't have holo-communications. Why? Like the Klingon hair comment last week it's pandering to whining fanbois who got all het up about change. I don't mind them giving the Klingons hair (because it covers up the bloody awful headpeices and ears) or removing the holo-communications but by specifically drawing attention to doing it is pandering to the specific element that will continue to despise DSC anyway because it's not a recreation of the show that exists inside their heads.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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No doubt because it's been lazy surface level explanations which is what their whole model is. Or at least when it comes to DSC. I tried to get through their DSC D7 analysis, still unwatchable because they still can't bring themselves to measure DSC by the same metrestick they use for all the other series ships.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
Personally, I think Tilly is going to be this show's Seven of Nine not O'Brien. Tilly gets changed in some way by her abduction and she will have to cope with being human again. A violent alien race that lives inside the Mycellial network would be a way to stop future use of the Spore Drive.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
But consider that some species might use non-verbal languages, and they would need translation as well.
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> However, another line of exposition about why Pike's Enterprise won't have holo-communications. Why? Like the Klingon hair comment last week it's pandering to whining fanbois who got all het up about change. I don't mind them giving the Klingons hair (because it covers up the bloody awful headpeices and ears) or removing the holo-communications but by specifically drawing attention to doing it is pandering to the specific element that will continue to despise DSC anyway because it's not a recreation of the show that exists inside their heads.
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> I don't know, trekyards started off hating Disco for all the same stupid reasons, but have liked the attempts of justifying things in S2 so far.
Exactly, there is a middle ground between TRIBBLE superfans and TRIBBLE superhaters.
> This episode brings up the question about displays in Star Trek. As far as we know, the Universal Translator only works on hearing not sight. So does the screens only work in English or is there language customization so everyone speaks and reads in their own language? It makes sense for everyone to speak a common language since there is always the possibility of Universal Translators failing and only use Universal Translators for alien races incapable of speaking the common language.
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> Personally, I think Tilly is going to be this show's Seven of Nine not O'Brien. Tilly gets changed in some way by her abduction and she will have to cope with being human again. A violent alien race that lives inside the Mycellial network would be a way to stop future use of the Spore Drive.
No, just no, Tilly can't pull off being the shows Seven of Nine. Tilly is more like the shows Lt. Barkly.
The Seven of Nine type character will end up being either Lt. Commander Airiam, Lt. Keyla Detmer, or Commander Nhan. Or maybe Commander Burnham herself.
Btw is just me or is it kind of weird how many Commanders this show has? I mean TNG had 2 (Riker and Dr. Crusher), DS9 kind of had two at a time (Coronel Kira was of simular rank, Sisko was a commander at first, then became Captain, later there was Worf ), Voyager only had one Commander at a time.
Discovery has Commander Nhan now, Commander Saru, Commander Burnham, and a Commander who was mentioned, but not shown.
However, they have basically combined the command stuff of two ships on the Discovery, with Pike taking some of his staff aboard. And of course, Lorca had some special dispensation in recruiting people for his task - he might not have just gotten a young cadet like Tilly in, but also some more experienced officers that he believed could help the Discovery complete its mission.
Saru also mentioned in the episode introducing the Discovery that the ship had the capability to run more science experiments than any previous Starfleet ship. It could be that this also leads to more high-ranking officers aboard, as more distinguished and experienced people were transferred to Discovery to run the science department(s).
> Wasn't the Science Officer Picard was dating also a Commander? Or was she "just" Lt.Cmdr? ANd I am not sure that any number of Commanders is to be expected. I seem to remember that the Enterprise A had a very high ranking bridge crew.
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> However, they have basically combined the command stuff of two ships on the Discovery, with Pike taking some of his staff aboard. And of course, Lorca had some special dispensation in recruiting people for his task - he might not have just gotten a young cadet like Tilly in, but also some more experienced officers that he believed could help the Discovery complete its mission.
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> Saru also mentioned in the episode introducing the Discovery that the ship had the capability to run more science experiments than any previous Starfleet ship. It could be that this also leads to more high-ranking officers aboard, as more distinguished and experienced people were transferred to Discovery to run the science department(s).
All of that does make sense.
Except for Klingons, who would hate Tribbles?
Tilly has been abducted by a weird alien race. If she returns modified, then she is Discovery's Seven of Nine. If she is only slightly traumatized by the event, then she is Discovery's Barclay.
Is there any instance in a Star Trek episode where alien text is translated to English? As far as this episode goes, it was a virus attack that affected every system on Discovery. So just because the Universal Translator and displays were malfunctioning doesn't mean that the Universal Translator was causing the displays to show random languages.
It would make sense that the majority of Starfleet personnel speak English and the Universal Translator is only used for communicating with aliens that can't speak English. So if everyone on a ship speaks English, then there is no point in turning the Universal Translator on until encountering an alien ship.
Because retcons have never happened in Trek before.
Or maybe they abandon Discovery and pick up a new Crossfield and name it the Discovery A then refit that or it already comes looking like the trailer version or like one of the Planet of the Titans prototypes.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Replacing the spinning saucer requires a major overhaul. So it would make sense to have it during the mid-Season break or the Season Finale. Replacing it for no reason makes no sense.
Of course, there is the possibility that the spinning saucer is involved in more than just the Spore Drive since the Discovery is supposed to be working on more interesting projects than just the Spore Drive. Then there is the problems that the Enterprise has with its holographic systems. Taking out the Spore Drive and spinning saucer could create its own set of problems.