A revamp like this would introduce all sorts of new and wondrous bugs.
The only ships that really need looked at are the romulan ones but mainly so that finding a specific type (tac/eng/sci) no longer becomes a case of wading through the list because they're all warbirds apart from the scimitars. Some names are a maybe a bit confusing to newer players such as the science command cruiser is a cruiser with sci focus to the seating rather than a sci ship that behaves like a cruiser.
Would be nice to get this...some nice consoles out there on lock box/lobi ships I would think about purchasing if I could use them on any ship.
Its quite logical, well, perhaps not the "separation" consoles, as they would have to modify entire ships for that, but there is great consoles that can be made trully universal...
Would be nice to get this...some nice consoles out there on lock box/lobi ships I would think about purchasing if I could use them on any ship.
Its quite logical, well, perhaps not the "separation" consoles, as they would have to modify entire ships for that, but there is great consoles that can be made trully universal...
This is true. But let's face it, not likely to happen. It removes the "niche" from the ships that come on, the reason people buy the ships in the first place. The only way they could do this, and not hurt sales, is to release every universal of this type in a lockbox.
While plausible, I for one, don't really want to see that.
> @trennan said: > gaevsman wrote: » > > lianthelia wrote: » > > gaevsman wrote: » > > Or just convert consoles to universal... > > > > > Would be nice to get this...some nice consoles out there on lock box/lobi ships I would think about purchasing if I could use them on any ship. > > > > > Its quite logical, well, perhaps not the "separation" consoles, as they would have to modify entire ships for that, but there is great consoles that can be made trully universal... > > > > > This is true. But let's face it, not likely to happen. It removes the "niche" from the ships that come on, the reason people buy the ships in the first place. The only way they could do this, and not hurt sales, is to release every universal of this type in a lockbox. > > While plausible, I for one, don't really want to see that.
That would be a valid reason if it werentw for the fact that there are already many ships out there that come with unrestricted consoles. Both low tier and endgame, lobi and C-Store, there are many varied examples of consoles randomly being restricted and unrestricted. Aside from the fact that this already renders the argument moot, since itsi already something that happens, there's of course the fact that you have to buy the ship to get the console that comes with it in the majority of cases.
This is very much comparable to starship traits. They come on a certain ship exclusively, and once you have the ship you can use them any way you want. The proposition of unrestricted consoles is the same.
That would be a valid reason if it werentw for the fact that there are already many ships out there that come with unrestricted consoles. Both low tier and endgame, lobi and C-Store, there are many varied examples of consoles randomly being restricted and unrestricted. Aside from the fact that this already renders the argument moot, since itsi already something that happens, there's of course the fact that you have to buy the ship to get the console that comes with it in the majority of cases.
This is very much comparable to starship traits. They come on a certain ship exclusively, and once you have the ship you can use them any way you want. The proposition of unrestricted consoles is the same.
I'm not arguing against the idea, per say. I'm just looking at it in a manner to make it feasible, without it hurting the ship sales. Which only leaves a few options to go with.
Lockbox
Lobi
Dilithium Store
And oddly enough, even the old...
GPL store.
And as you said, since lockbox and lobi ship consoles are unrestricted, and C-store and event ships aren't. It is one of those things we have to look at. Sort of makes an Ogre's choice out of it.
And as you said, since lockbox and lobi ship consoles are unrestricted, and C-store and event ships aren't. It is one of those things we have to look at. Sort of makes an Ogre's choice out of it.
The newer C-Store ships are unrestricted, as are the newer Event ships. You can put your Narendra/Vor'ral console on any ship, and Chains of Fire too. They've mentioned going forward that it's likely consoles will be unrestricted on all ships. Going backwards is sticking point, really. They'd have to go through and see what makes sense to just allow, and what needs special handling (like saucer separation).
Many of the consoles in the game are classified to specific types of ships, meaning you can not use the console on other ships outside that specific class, now would it be great if you could go to the c store and purchase a reclassification token to reclassify your starship so you can equip one of these favorite consoles?
Example: Say I have sovereign class, but I want to use a console from a temporal class, I would simply purchase a reclassification token adding the temporal class to my starship, restrictions would apply of course meaning you could only equip one console as if the item were unique meaning you can only equip one of this item.
You would have to be admiral 65, to use the token, meaning it's an end game perk.
You would have to purchase an additional token to change the ship reclassification to any other class and you would lose the use of any console under any other reclassification from a previous reclassification token.
So if you use a token twice it's only going to let you use the console for the new reclassification and will shut down the previous one gained by a token change.
I like this idea too.
Lyradius
Fleet Admiral
Exploration and Trade Alliance
And as you said, since lockbox and lobi ship consoles are unrestricted, and C-store and event ships aren't. It is one of those things we have to look at. Sort of makes an Ogre's choice out of it.
The newer C-Store ships are unrestricted, as are the newer Event ships. You can put your Narendra/Vor'ral console on any ship, and Chains of Fire too. They've mentioned going forward that it's likely consoles will be unrestricted on all ships. Going backwards is sticking point, really. They'd have to go through and see what makes sense to just allow, and what needs special handling (like saucer separation).
Saucer separation was made for certain cruisers. Really wouldn't make much sense on an escort. Making it at least locked to cruisers. Also not something you'd see on a Romulan or Klingon ship.
This brings up the other problem with it. Since a great majority of the universals we have, any faction can use. Kind of hits in that area of Plasmonic Leech, which use to just be KDF only. Granted, a great deal of these console have a faction version.
So it still leaves you with the choices of:
Which ones?
Is there a multiple faction version of it?
How do we do it in a manner to not hurt the sales of the ships that they come on? <~Really the main sticking point here.
Which I said in a previous post. The only way I could see to make this work, would be to have the requirement of owning the ship it comes on first, with the restricted console. Then, offshooting the OPs idea here, instead of a ship reclassification token, make it an Unrestristed Console token that you use on the console you want. Priced somewhere around 100-500 zen, since it would be a one time use only thing, one would need to buy multiple in order to unrestrict multiple consoles.
The other option is like I said. You still need to buy the ship the console is a part of, which would also unlock an unrestricted version of it. Best place for this would be the dil store.
And as you said, since lockbox and lobi ship consoles are unrestricted, and C-store and event ships aren't. It is one of those things we have to look at. Sort of makes an Ogre's choice out of it.
The newer C-Store ships are unrestricted, as are the newer Event ships. You can put your Narendra/Vor'ral console on any ship, and Chains of Fire too. They've mentioned going forward that it's likely consoles will be unrestricted on all ships. Going backwards is sticking point, really. They'd have to go through and see what makes sense to just allow, and what needs special handling (like saucer separation).
Saucer separation was made for certain cruisers. Really wouldn't make much sense on an escort. Making it at least locked to cruisers. Also not something you'd see on a Romulan or Klingon ship.
This brings up the other problem with it. Since a great majority of the universals we have, any faction can use. Kind of hits in that area of Plasmonic Leech, which use to just be KDF only. Granted, a great deal of these console have a faction version.
Easily fixable:
1) Ignore the Klingons, which is seemingly the default anyway when it comes to exclusive consoles. They evened out the T6 traits via Dil Store reclaim, but the Fed exclusive unrestricted consoles (like M6 Computer) have no mechanism to claim.
2) For existing ships with split-off features, but with the console usable on other ships, like the Vanguard Carrier or the Elachi Sheshar, have the part that normally splits off warp in instead of detaching.
Still leaves going through the ships for edge cases, and it'd mean making a warp-in animation for saucers and such that don't already.
How do we do it in a manner to not hurt the sales of the ships that they come on? <~Really the main sticking point here.
I'm not sure how it'd hurt sales of ships by just having the Universal console be non-restricted. There's a few ships that'd be bumped up in desirability, at least for me, if their cool consoles could be used on any ship.
Which I said in a previous post. The only way I could see to make this work, would be to have the requirement of owning the ship it comes on first, with the restricted console. Then, offshooting the OPs idea here, instead of a ship reclassification token, make it an Unrestristed Console token that you use on the console you want. Priced somewhere around 100-500 zen, since it would be a one time use only thing, one would need to buy multiple in order to unrestrict multiple consoles.
The other option is like I said. You still need to buy the ship the console is a part of, which would also unlock an unrestricted version of it. Best place for this would be the dil store.
There's already some sort of mechanism to un-restrict a console, as it's actually been done a few times already. When the Repair Platform from the Varanus was added as a cross-faction lockbox reward, I could just move it to any ship with no extra steps through other systems. No extra hoops to jump through with the others that have been unrestricted this way.
I'm unsure where the topic of not having a ship came into the thread, maybe I skipped around a bit. I'm OK for owning the ship first, and had that expectation, and the OP's post seems to have been going for the ship ownership first as well.
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The only ships that really need looked at are the romulan ones but mainly so that finding a specific type (tac/eng/sci) no longer becomes a case of wading through the list because they're all warbirds apart from the scimitars. Some names are a maybe a bit confusing to newer players such as the science command cruiser is a cruiser with sci focus to the seating rather than a sci ship that behaves like a cruiser.
Would be nice to get this...some nice consoles out there on lock box/lobi ships I would think about purchasing if I could use them on any ship.
Its quite logical, well, perhaps not the "separation" consoles, as they would have to modify entire ships for that, but there is great consoles that can be made trully universal...
This is true. But let's face it, not likely to happen. It removes the "niche" from the ships that come on, the reason people buy the ships in the first place. The only way they could do this, and not hurt sales, is to release every universal of this type in a lockbox.
While plausible, I for one, don't really want to see that.
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That would be a valid reason if it werentw for the fact that there are already many ships out there that come with unrestricted consoles. Both low tier and endgame, lobi and C-Store, there are many varied examples of consoles randomly being restricted and unrestricted. Aside from the fact that this already renders the argument moot, since itsi already something that happens, there's of course the fact that you have to buy the ship to get the console that comes with it in the majority of cases.
This is very much comparable to starship traits. They come on a certain ship exclusively, and once you have the ship you can use them any way you want. The proposition of unrestricted consoles is the same.
I'm not arguing against the idea, per say. I'm just looking at it in a manner to make it feasible, without it hurting the ship sales. Which only leaves a few options to go with.
Lockbox
Lobi
Dilithium Store
And oddly enough, even the old...
GPL store.
And as you said, since lockbox and lobi ship consoles are unrestricted, and C-store and event ships aren't. It is one of those things we have to look at. Sort of makes an Ogre's choice out of it.
The newer C-Store ships are unrestricted, as are the newer Event ships. You can put your Narendra/Vor'ral console on any ship, and Chains of Fire too. They've mentioned going forward that it's likely consoles will be unrestricted on all ships. Going backwards is sticking point, really. They'd have to go through and see what makes sense to just allow, and what needs special handling (like saucer separation).
I like this idea too.
Fleet Admiral
Exploration and Trade Alliance
Saucer separation was made for certain cruisers. Really wouldn't make much sense on an escort. Making it at least locked to cruisers. Also not something you'd see on a Romulan or Klingon ship.
This brings up the other problem with it. Since a great majority of the universals we have, any faction can use. Kind of hits in that area of Plasmonic Leech, which use to just be KDF only. Granted, a great deal of these console have a faction version.
So it still leaves you with the choices of:
Which ones?
Is there a multiple faction version of it?
How do we do it in a manner to not hurt the sales of the ships that they come on? <~Really the main sticking point here.
Which I said in a previous post. The only way I could see to make this work, would be to have the requirement of owning the ship it comes on first, with the restricted console. Then, offshooting the OPs idea here, instead of a ship reclassification token, make it an Unrestristed Console token that you use on the console you want. Priced somewhere around 100-500 zen, since it would be a one time use only thing, one would need to buy multiple in order to unrestrict multiple consoles.
The other option is like I said. You still need to buy the ship the console is a part of, which would also unlock an unrestricted version of it. Best place for this would be the dil store.
Easily fixable:
1) Ignore the Klingons, which is seemingly the default anyway when it comes to exclusive consoles. They evened out the T6 traits via Dil Store reclaim, but the Fed exclusive unrestricted consoles (like M6 Computer) have no mechanism to claim.
2) For existing ships with split-off features, but with the console usable on other ships, like the Vanguard Carrier or the Elachi Sheshar, have the part that normally splits off warp in instead of detaching.
Still leaves going through the ships for edge cases, and it'd mean making a warp-in animation for saucers and such that don't already.
I'm not sure how it'd hurt sales of ships by just having the Universal console be non-restricted. There's a few ships that'd be bumped up in desirability, at least for me, if their cool consoles could be used on any ship.
There's already some sort of mechanism to un-restrict a console, as it's actually been done a few times already. When the Repair Platform from the Varanus was added as a cross-faction lockbox reward, I could just move it to any ship with no extra steps through other systems. No extra hoops to jump through with the others that have been unrestricted this way.
I'm unsure where the topic of not having a ship came into the thread, maybe I skipped around a bit. I'm OK for owning the ship first, and had that expectation, and the OP's post seems to have been going for the ship ownership first as well.