Re-newb: PVP leveling still an option?

therealted

Way back when, I had a blast leveling a character almost strictly through ground PVP queues Klingon-side. Now that I've returned, I wouldn't mind trying that again, but a lot (and I mean a lot) has changed since then. Would it still be viable today, or is PVP basically an end-game thing now?

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therealted

patrickngo wrote: »

recent experimental efforts have shown that it is no longer even an option you could arrange to try. The option has been removed from the game. While you can still PvP at low level, you literally won't get anywhere doing it.

Literally as in you couldn't level up on queues even if you had the chance, or "literally" as in the queues are chronically empty?

Either way, it's about what I expected. Ugh. I left this game for a variety of reasons years ago, and I'm starting to remember what those reasons were... Ah, well, I guess I'll muddle through the Rom stuff for a while. At least that's kind of new. To me, anyway.

Thanks for the answers.

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salvation4

patrickngo wrote: »

therealted wrote: »

patrickngo wrote: »

recent experimental efforts have shown that it is no longer even an option you could arrange to try. The option has been removed from the game. While you can still PvP at low level, you literally won't get anywhere doing it.

Literally as in you couldn't level up on queues even if you had the chance, or "literally" as in the queues are chronically empty?

Either way, it's about what I expected. Ugh. I left this game for a variety of reasons years ago, and I'm starting to remember what those reasons were... Ah, well, I guess I'll muddle through the Rom stuff for a while. At least that's kind of new. To me, anyway.

Thanks for the answers.

even in the presence of other players (we arranged quite a few matches during this experiment), you don't gain XP, though you do get Dilithium with the wrappers, you're not going to advance, hence, literally impossible at this point.

Also if you return to Kerat now like I did after a long time..I entered system and got vaped by 2 ships as soon as I entered to engage a borg cube..And the ultimate joke was the second time I spawned in the borg while taking damage held me with its tractor beam and some Vaper out of no where DeCloaked and took advantage of that situation..I dont pack any shinnies or any stuff..This guy clearly with a temp raider and a BoP loaded took down my 21K SHP and 100K+ hull in seconds..And sure enough it was a sci toon..Managed to get a glimpse of his stats just before leaving..The entry price into PvP is just TRIBBLE as you need pretty dame high stuff to get onto a competetive level..Going in Stock aint gonna help..

So if your going to Kerat make sure your a SCI or at least a TAC toon and not an ENG toon..It will be for your own good..Majority PvP are SCI toon, smal portion TAC and virtually no ENG..ENG is basically worse than cannon fodder in PvP but for rest of the game they dont suck..

daviddxx

Maybe you should try it with a desent PvP Build ? If you got.. im sure nobody will kill you in Sec. with just 1 vape. Its impossible.. if you got the right settings.

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daviddxx

nope.. just spec tree.. maybe 1 starship trait.. .


btw. @coldnapalm my offer with the " Hug " its still an option for you. If you need it.. like i said.. just let me know.

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daviddxx

Tem. Spec Tree on Prim. , what meens no " oneshoot " anymore,.. Zahl Cruiser Trait.. so you got 8 Sec. even on 0% Hull to fix it. Maybe you also use Failsave Scramble ( pers. trait ) , you " scramble " everyone in 10 km Range if you get under 20% Hull, what meens you got a bit time to do something about it.

If you got still some Zen.. buy Saggitarius Class, Shieldoverload give you 75% Res on Hull and Shields.. also the Console DPRM is importent.. you got 95% Hull Res and a hugh Hull Reg.. nobody will kill you at that time if you do it right. You can do a lot.. . ofc it cost Money.. but hey.. PvE Builds cost also a lot of Money if you want max. it out.. same for PvP.

What i try to say, if you want you can do allways something. Its not a diffrent to PvE.. you need just other Stuff for PvP.
Point is.. you can play PvE with PvP Gear/Traits etc. but you can not play PvP with PvE stuff.

Anyway..

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daviddxx

Just LOLOLOLOL men.. but anyway believe what you want.

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daviddxx

Nope.. you only proof what i allready said.. you are a " Talker ".

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daviddxx

A person, who feels the need to talk to you, or anyone around them. They are often annoying.

You talks a lot and know nothing about PvP.. bc you dont play it but you think you know everything about it. How you can know this if you dont play it.. tell me.. you just cant.

All i know is.. you troll every PvP Thread with the same lame stuff over and over again.. even in a Bugreprt .. like for the scoreborad.

For me you are just looking for some attention in every Thread.

Good Night.

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daviddxx

daviddxx wrote: »

A person, who feels the need to talk to you, or anyone around them. They are often annoying.

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daviddxx

daviddxx wrote: »

A person, who feels the need to talk to you, or anyone around them. They are often annoying.

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daviddxx

daviddxx wrote: »

A person, who feels the need to talk to you, or anyone around them. They are often annoying.

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wast33

patrickngo wrote: »

daviddxx wrote: »

daviddxx wrote: »

A person, who feels the need to talk to you, or anyone around them. They are often annoying.

David, what you're missing, is that just because someone is annoying, doesn't mean they're wrong. attacking someone for posting a view you don't agree with, instead of attacking the view is a terrific way to suggest that their position is more correct than your own.

sry mate, but what u miss in this case:

the suspect in question has no view. he has no point. he never had. he trolls pvp threads since they first arose so to say lol. "toxic pvp'ers", "no ressources for u", "no pvp game"-bs and such, no matter if related to the topic or not. nor ever cared if the person he attacks at that moment is in his pattern of evul pvp'ers rofl.
he's acting mostly to only get thredas shut down.
... and he does so on like every single pvp related question, i think since i joined sto and even before, and does so eversince...
i dropped sto quite a while ago, but i keep on having an eye on the forums. and there's no one else standing out in such a negative way. not even mr "supper-bosted" in former times reached that ammount of *****************... at least that one was entertaining like a trainwreck, this one just smells of rotten fish.
his attitude is an outstanding example for the main reason why we never could have nice things in here for pvp.
he's just perfectly executing what he pretends to hate about pvp'ers, not realizing he's way worse and might really simply doesnt have a clue, while judging any incentive of others to even have interest in pvp in here.

not that he would matter anyway, it's the devs as we know. but seriously, to me he's a perfect example for why i left here, this game suX so hard even more on such a base.

note: i'm a lifer, i can't ever really leave and will keep on posting in forums as i might wish or not.... as i dont give a flying skybuck about opinions from people like the one in question. but as he feels the right to troll every single pvp'er since david and goliath lol, i feel the right to point on the simple fact that the shown attitude is way worse than anything i ever encountered in my 5 years of being a pvp'er in here (with all the hardcore pve grind involved as well ofc...).
such people should've gotten a forumban yeaaaaars ago....
why posting then anyway?! well..... why posting anyway in pvp thread when one not is interested in pvp at all. just coz to tell how they all sukk coz wanting pvp?! :facepalm:...

yeah, njoy the mess in here. anyone got interest in pvp in here though: dont ever try to argue. be smarter. dont answer and keep on with posting in ur threads, not let it get shut down by such people plz.

daviddxx

@patrickngo

I got np if someone got an other Opinion.. for sure not.. . I talk about PvP since im here.. 8 Years.. but trolling every PvP Thread with the same lame stuff over and over again.. Day for Day.. Week for Week.. Year for Year.. and dont even Play PvP makes me sick. The Reason i respect your Opinions.. i see you from time to time in Kerrat.. you know how it is and what it needs to become better maybe.

Look.. i dont play much PvE.. and tba. i dont like it so much.. but you see me going in every PvE Thread and troll there.. " Its dead ".. "remove it" etc. for sure not bc i know a lot of Guys like it and i understand and respect it. Same think for Foundry.. RP.. what ever. Everybody should have some Fun here.. i got np at all with it.

Anyway..

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salvation4

daviddxx wrote: »

Tem. Spec Tree on Prim. , what meens no " oneshoot " anymore,.. Zahl Cruiser Trait.. so you got 8 Sec. even on 0% Hull to fix it. Maybe you also use Failsave Scramble ( pers. trait ) , you " scramble " everyone in 10 km Range if you get under 20% Hull, what meens you got a bit time to do something about it.

If you got still some Zen.. buy Saggitarius Class, Shieldoverload give you 75% Res on Hull and Shields.. also the Console DPRM is importent.. you got 95% Hull Res and a hugh Hull Reg.. nobody will kill you at that time if you do it right. You can do a lot.. . ofc it cost Money.. but hey.. PvE Builds cost also a lot of Money if you want max. it out.. same for PvP.

What i try to say, if you want you can do allways something. Its not a diffrent to PvE.. you need just other Stuff for PvP.
Point is.. you can play PvE with PvP Gear/Traits etc. but you can not play PvP with PvE stuff.

Anyway..

Dead wrong about PvE..You can do elite quite easily without the shinies..But if your out chasing records then you need to invest..But for doing elite you can easily do it with a T5 properly configured..When I left the game in 2012 there was no BS like chasing DPS records or stuff like that..It was good old fashioned recreational fun and laughs when the odd guy blew up..Even now there arent alot of morons in 75% of the player base who are DPSer going you dont have an ambition or TRIBBLE like that..If we recognize a dipshit that is going AFK we dont throw a tantrum, and press on and max out the damage between us cause we know if he doesnt meet the 2% bracket he'll be out for 2 hrs and thats it no more thinking beyond that..

PvP with a T6 loaded with HP and SHP and resists sitting at an average of 50% in a cruiser and an ENG toon is a definte no go because PvP is dominated by only SCI and a small portion of TAC's and the entry level is so damn high for even players wanting to return after 6 years..I am willing to spend my money but not on 25% of the game since what I have currently given by the game is good enough to do elite stuff and the other 75% of the game and keep me entertained and a diversion from real life on an off day and on holidays..

-Also some PvPer in these very forums saying PvP is a cash cow, to which my response is, what development has PvP seen since 2012 Vs the development in the rest of the game with the latest JH faction being introduced and new maps, ques and sector space battlezones?
-One PvPer told me in these very forums, to go into Kerrat under cloak and record and study the players, what a brilliant idea for a fed toon, basically I need to start a kling or Rom toon that can cloak indefinetly and sit and record the session and then later study that one or two or whatever number of players without knowing the build?
-Also like some other PvPer again in these very forums said "you dont have an ambition to kill your opponent", shows the mindset and level of thinking to say that Killing needs to be an ambition in video games..Lol..

When I left in 2012 because of real life priorities and building my real life career, PvP wasnt in this state at all..Now you cant even enter Kerrat without being vapped in seconds by a SCI toon..PvP is unbalanced and the creep is ridiculous to the extent 100K+ hull is done in seconds..And plenty of PvPers saying ENG's in cruisers are a no go in PvP and I have also observed this fact..Back in 2012 I could take my ship that I got from the progression and just get into PvP or PvE no peoblems, now its become you have to have a specific ship, specific career and high end gear and gear sometimes outta reach for casual players, to do any PvP..There is no balance otherwise anyone from their chosen faction and classes could take whatever ship they had and played either PvP or PvE and had raw fun and not this lob sided stompings vs casuals which currently goes on..

What really put me off after returning and giving PvP a try was that it was more like a job instead of being entertaining and overall elitist attitude of the PvP community here..

I have tried searching YT for decent videos on builds which explain every aspect but there arent when you compare it to the reamaining 75% of the player base where you can easily find players spending more than half an hour going over every once of their builds suggesting options for budget players in F2P or LTS or subs..PvP videos are like look what we can do to DPSers in PvP and not sharing a build or advices on building ships like as if its a secret of some government covert operation..

So @daviddxx as per your statement if you dont play PvP, IT MAKES YOU SICK? And basically by the same statement you say that 75% of the player base sickenss you in STO..Fantastic, thats your view then..Then why are you here when there are many other MMO's with much better and serious PvP enviroments..Wow!! Get a real life, a family and a job and then when you have a TRIBBLE up day in the office then see what makes you sick..This is a game for ENTERTAINMENT we pay for to unwind or liesure, not a job..

@patrickngo I have read most of your comments and agree that there are issues on both sides of the player base and respect it, but it needs to be noted that the elitist nature of the PvP side outweighs the remainder of the elitist in the rest of the game by a fair bit and that is also an underlining problem..

Anyways this is my opinion..And the last ever time I am gonna try PvP in STO..It aint worth it cause of my points above, which in short are
-Absolutley no balance after 2012 assuming..
-No real help with builds going in details..
-Not conducive for casual players..
-Cost of entry for returning and new players is ultra high along with the creep..
-No place for engineering toons and people in cruisers..
-The ultra high elitist attitude..
-The mindset of the PvP base to say you need to have ambition to kill and others make them sick and that PvP funds the game..

Again My opinion on PvP currently vs 2012..

kyle223cat

salvation4 wrote: »

daviddxx wrote: »

Tem. Spec Tree on Prim. , what meens no " oneshoot " anymore,.. Zahl Cruiser Trait.. so you got 8 Sec. even on 0% Hull to fix it. Maybe you also use Failsave Scramble ( pers. trait ) , you " scramble " everyone in 10 km Range if you get under 20% Hull, what meens you got a bit time to do something about it.

If you got still some Zen.. buy Saggitarius Class, Shieldoverload give you 75% Res on Hull and Shields.. also the Console DPRM is importent.. you got 95% Hull Res and a hugh Hull Reg.. nobody will kill you at that time if you do it right. You can do a lot.. . ofc it cost Money.. but hey.. PvE Builds cost also a lot of Money if you want max. it out.. same for PvP.

What i try to say, if you want you can do allways something. Its not a diffrent to PvE.. you need just other Stuff for PvP.
Point is.. you can play PvE with PvP Gear/Traits etc. but you can not play PvP with PvE stuff.

Anyway..

Dead wrong about PvE..You can do elite quite easily without the shinies..But if your out chasing records then you need to invest..But for doing elite you can easily do it with a T5 properly configured..When I left the game in 2012 there was no BS like chasing DPS records or stuff like that..It was good old fashioned recreational fun and laughs when the odd guy blew up..Even now there arent alot of morons in 75% of the player base who are DPSer going you dont have an ambition or **** like that..If we recognize a dipshit that is going AFK we dont throw a tantrum, and press on and max out the damage between us cause we know if he doesnt meet the 2% bracket he'll be out for 2 hrs and thats it no more thinking beyond that..

PvP with a T6 loaded with HP and SHP and resists sitting at an average of 50% in a cruiser and an ENG toon is a definte no go because PvP is dominated by only SCI and a small portion of TAC's and the entry level is so damn high for even players wanting to return after 6 years..I am willing to spend my money but not on 25% of the game since what I have currently given by the game is good enough to do elite stuff and the other 75% of the game and keep me entertained and a diversion from real life on an off day and on holidays..

-Also some PvPer in these very forums saying PvP is a cash cow, to which my response is, what development has PvP seen since 2012 Vs the development in the rest of the game with the latest JH faction being introduced and new maps, ques and sector space battlezones?
-One PvPer told me in these very forums, to go into Kerrat under cloak and record and study the players, what a brilliant idea for a fed toon, basically I need to start a kling or Rom toon that can cloak indefinetly and sit and record the session and then later study that one or two or whatever number of players without knowing the build?
-Also like some other PvPer again in these very forums said "you dont have an ambition to kill your opponent", shows the mindset and level of thinking to say that Killing needs to be an ambition in video games..Lol..

When I left in 2012 because of real life priorities and building my real life career, PvP wasnt in this state at all..Now you cant even enter Kerrat without being vapped in seconds by a SCI toon..PvP is unbalanced and the creep is ridiculous to the extent 100K+ hull is done in seconds..And plenty of PvPers saying ENG's in cruisers are a no go in PvP and I have also observed this fact..Back in 2012 I could take my ship that I got from the progression and just get into PvP or PvE no peoblems, now its become you have to have a specific ship, specific career and high end gear and gear sometimes outta reach for casual players, to do any PvP..There is no balance otherwise anyone from their chosen faction and classes could take whatever ship they had and played either PvP or PvE and had raw fun and not this lob sided stompings vs casuals which currently goes on..

What really put me off after returning and giving PvP a try was that it was more like a job instead of being entertaining and overall elitist attitude of the PvP community here..

I have tried searching YT for decent videos on builds which explain every aspect but there arent when you compare it to the reamaining 75% of the player base where you can easily find players spending more than half an hour going over every once of their builds suggesting options for budget players in F2P or LTS or subs..PvP videos are like look what we can do to DPSers in PvP and not sharing a build or advices on building ships like as if its a secret of some government covert operation..

So @daviddxx as per your statement if you dont play PvP, IT MAKES YOU SICK? And basically by the same statement you say that 75% of the player base sickenss you in STO..Fantastic, thats your view then..Then why are you here when there are many other MMO's with much better and serious PvP enviroments..Wow!! Get a real life, a family and a job and then when you have a **** up day in the office then see what makes you sick..This is a game for ENTERTAINMENT we pay for to unwind or liesure, not a job..

@patrickngo I have read most of your comments and agree that there are issues on both sides of the player base and respect it, but it needs to be noted that the elitist nature of the PvP side outweighs the remainder of the elitist in the rest of the game by a fair bit and that is also an underlining problem..

Anyways this is my opinion..And the last ever time I am gonna try PvP in STO..It aint worth it cause of my points above, which in short are
-Absolutley no balance after 2012 assuming..
-No real help with builds going in details..
-Not conducive for casual players..
-Cost of entry for returning and new players is ultra high along with the creep..
-No place for engineering toons and people in cruisers..
-The ultra high elitist attitude..
-The mindset of the PvP base to say you need to have ambition to kill and others make them sick and that PvP funds the game..

Again My opinion on PvP currently vs 2012..

Couldn't have said it better myself, @salvation4