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Stealth Fighter Set Suggestion

I recently ran into an interesting conundrum. I’ve been piloting a Galaxy Dreadnought Cruiser for a while, decked out with several different weapon and consol sets. One of these sets is the Stealth Fighter Set that consists of the Phaser Quad Cannons (found on the Tactical Escort Refit), the Cloaking Device (found on both the Tactical Escort Retrofit and the T5 Dreadnought Cruiser), and the Quantum Warhead Module (found on the Valiant Tactical Escort). Because the Tac Escort Refit was once a promotion gift, when I purchased my Galaxy Dreadnought packages I had two parts of the set. It irritated me, however, that I didn’t have the final piece which would enable use of the Battle Cloak. So when I finally purchased the Valiant, I was excited to use the full set on my Dreadnought. However, I discovered that the Quantum Warhead Module is only useable on Tactical Escorts. This puzzles me, since the Dreadnought Cruiser comes standard with the Cloaking Device and can use cannon weapons. Why would it be unable to make use of the entire set if it possesses a piece of it?

My suggestion is that the Quantum Warhead Module be made usable on ships that can also use the Cloaking Device and the Phaser Quad Cannons. These would include the Aquarius Light Escort variants, the Battle Cruiser variants, the Dreadnought Cruiser variants, as well as the Tactical Escort variants.

What do you, both the players and the developers, think of this idea?

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    asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    I know what you mean, and honestly I find it weird that so many of the tier six, and even some tier five consoles are tagged to just being usable on specific ships (or even small groups of classes of ships). I kind wish they would have either kept these consoles as universal consoles, or even merely had them tied to use on specific general classes of ships (like cruisers, escorts, and such). It would have made the appeal to buy the ships a bit more, as right now with these ships that have consoles that are locked to that ship can make it harder to want to buy them (unless you want to use that specific ship.).

    Now for ideas on how to make these consoles that are locked to only being usable on certain ships, more usable an appealing. I think that we could use the new Universal console slot that the MW-cruisers have. If this slot in maybe a slightly more restricted state were rolled out to the other cruiser-type ships it might be interesting. Like that the universal console slot can have only universal consoles slotted into it, and that the normal requirements like specific ships/classes of ships to be able to slot it do not apply.
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    nightkennightken Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    I think feds have far too much cloaking as is. cloaking is a kdf/rom thing if you want to play with other faction features you should be doing it on a character of that faction. and I'm gonna stop there before I say something mean.

    if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
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    trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    They did this for the simple reason that the cloaking device that the Federation uses, is only suppose to be on the Defiant. This is by the Khitomer Accords. Though the Defiant was allowed to have it during the Dominion War. So it's supposed to be locked to Tac Escorts only for that reason.

    The fact that other Federation/Starfleet ships have a cloaking device, just shows how little they actually care about upholding the Khitomer Accords.

    One could argue that due to the dissolution of the original khitomer accords in 2399, which led to the subsequent Fed/Klingon war we have. But even under the new alliance. I doubt this is something the Klingons and Romulans would change their mind on.
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    theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,986 Arc User
    The treaty collapsed with the fracturing of the Romulan Star Empire.
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      "The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
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      trennantrennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
      rimmarie wrote: »
      trennan wrote: »
      They did this for the simple reason that the cloaking device that the Federation uses, is only suppose to be on the Defiant. This is by the Treaty of Algeron. Though the Defiant was allowed to have it during the Dominion War. So it's supposed to be locked to Tac Escorts only for that reason.

      The fact that other Federation/Starfleet ships have a cloaking device, just shows how little they actually care about upholding the Treaty of Algeron

      Corrected. and it was with the Romulans, not the Klingons

      Thanks. I have to much information running about in my head. It's hard to keep it all straight.
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      rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 418 Arc User
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      trennan wrote: »
      They did this for the simple reason that the cloaking device that the Federation uses, is only suppose to be on the Defiant. This is by the Treaty of Algeron. Though the Defiant was allowed to have it during the Dominion War. So it's supposed to be locked to Tac Escorts only for that reason.

      The fact that other Federation/Starfleet ships have a cloaking device, just shows how little they actually care about upholding the Treaty of Algeron

      Corrected. and it was with the Romulans, not the Klingons
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      In the TNG episode Pegasus, it is discovered that we actually made our own cloak (Phasing Cloak). This was in violation of the Treaty.
      the above mentioned cloak is why the T6 Sovvie has a Phasing Cloak
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      kovabombkovabomb Member Posts: 52 Arc User
      asuran14 wrote: »
      I know what you mean, and honestly I find it weird that so many of the tier six, and even some tier five consoles are tagged to just being usable on specific ships (or even small groups of classes of ships). I kind wish they would have either kept these consoles as universal consoles, or even merely had them tied to use on specific general classes of ships (like cruisers, escorts, and such).

      The two consoles of the set are in fact Universal. The issue is that one of them is tied to only one class of ship while the rest of the set is usable by other classes.

      Now, the reasoning behind restricting the set to the Tac Escorts is understood, as was pointed out here:
      rimmarie wrote: »
      They did this for the simple reason that the cloaking device that the Federation uses, is only suppose to be on the Defiant. This is by the Treaty of Algeron. Though the Defiant was allowed to have it during the Dominion War. So it's supposed to be locked to Tac Escorts only for that reason.

      However, we also know this:
      The treaty collapsed with the fracturing of the Romulan Star Empire.

      Moreover, the show its self has shown that if that treaty ever did collapse, the Federation would eagerly jump at the chance to develop and use cloaking tec. (See TNG "All Good Things" for an example. That episode is also why the T5 Gal Dread comes with the Cloaking Device.)

      However, all of that is beside the point. My suggestion isn't an issue with the Cloaking Device at all. It's an issue with the Quantum Warhead Module. My suggestion was for that console to be made usable on all the Federation ships that already can use the Cloaking Device and Phaser Quad Cannons.
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      asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
      kovabomb wrote: »
      asuran14 wrote: »
      I know what you mean, and honestly I find it weird that so many of the tier six, and even some tier five consoles are tagged to just being usable on specific ships (or even small groups of classes of ships). I kind wish they would have either kept these consoles as universal consoles, or even merely had them tied to use on specific general classes of ships (like cruisers, escorts, and such).

      The two consoles of the set are in fact Universal. The issue is that one of them is tied to only one class of ship while the rest of the set is usable by other classes.

      I know what you are saying, and I agree. Yet this an issue of many consoles that are on the tier five to six ships are actually either tied to just being usable on the ship (an the ship class of that ship) that it came on, and thus unless you plan on using that ship specifically are pretty useless. Another good example of such a console is the Nadion Saturation Bomb console that is only usable on the patrol escort, the console is quite nice an I would not mind using it on more ships.
      kovabomb wrote: »
      However, all of that is beside the point. My suggestion isn't an issue with the Cloaking Device at all. It's an issue with the Quantum Warhead Module. My suggestion was for that console to be made usable on all the Federation ships that already can use the Cloaking Device and Phaser Quad Cannons.

      Well where would you stop though as there are a lot of consoles like that in the tier five an six ships, and rolling that out to more of these one-off consoles tied to a single or small group of ships might cause other issues. Now if they removed some of those restrictions on some of the consoles, but then left the restriction on others that could allow them to use the MW-ship uni-slot a bit different an quell some of complaints of the slot making those ships too powerful while giving more variety to what you can do via that uni-console slot.

      As said if you made it that the Uni-slot were only able to have universal consoles slotted in it, and that the normal requirements to be able to slot these consoles did not apply (like for the warhead console). Than you might both see more value come from those one-off consoles that can now be used in this slot, as well as a small reduction in the potency of the UIni-slot of the MW-ships via not being able to use the normal tactical/engineering/science consoles in it.
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