Recreation of Characters

marty123

Does anyone know how to acturately recreate any of the main cast from the seven different series using sliders and parts in the foundry?

The series:
TOS
TAS
TNG
DS9
VOY
ENT
DIS

snowwolf

Re-creating characters from the TV Series and movies is a violation of the terms of agreement.

marty123

> @snowwolf#0563 said:
> Re-creating characters from the TV Series and movies is a violation of the terms of agreement.

I won’t use them I just want to create screenshots with them

duncanidaho11

marty123#3757 wrote: »

I won’t use them I just want to create screenshots with them

Given that you posted this in the Foundry forum, I don't think it would be appropriate to post any cast sliders. Even if you don't intend to use these characters in a way that violates the Foundry EULA, it would be providing materials for others to do so at any point in future.

So, no. We (responsible community members) cannot provide any information about how to recreate any actor's likeness in Trek.

spiritborn

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

marty123#3757 wrote: »

I won’t use them I just want to create screenshots with them

Given that you posted this in the Foundry forum, I don't think it would be appropriate to post any cast sliders. Even if you don't intend to use these characters in a way that violates the Foundry EULA, it would be providing materials for others to do so at any point in future.

So, no. We (responsible community members) cannot provide any information about how to recreate any actor's likeness in Trek.

Honestly all but 1 of TOS main cast is avaible as hologramic boffs so using those instead of the foundry sliders for "just screenshots" should be better, the additional (aka non-TOS) characters from TAS are impossible as catians don't have the right hair style and the 6 limbed guy is out of the question due to limits with in the foundry constume creator even though it would technically be allowed (what we can't produce is the actor's likeness so alien characters who never had a live action actor are allowed).

Casts of TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT or DCS is something we can't provide the sliders for the reason Duncan explained. It's one of those rules we want to keep inflexible so that it a)crypic doesn't limit the foundry to premade costumes only or b) close it permanently (as yes they would announce it if they did close it permanently, so it is coming back, when is the question though).

marty123

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> Given that you posted this in the Foundry forum, I don't think it would be appropriate to post any cast sliders. Even if you don't intend to use these characters in a way that violates the Foundry EULA, it would be providing materials for others to do so at any point in future.
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> So, no. We (responsible community members) cannot provide any information about how to recreate any actor's likeness in Trek.
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> Honestly all but 1 of TOS main cast is avaible as hologramic boffs so using those instead of the foundry sliders for "just screenshots" should be better, the additional (aka non-TOS) characters from TAS are impossible as catians don't have the right hair style and the 6 limbed guy is out of the question due to limits with in the foundry constume creator even though it would technically be allowed (what we can't produce is the actor's likeness so alien characters who never had a live action actor are allowed).
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> Casts of TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT or DCS is something we can't provide the sliders for the reason Duncan explained. It's one of those rules we want to keep inflexible so that it a)crypic doesn't limit the foundry to premade costumes only or b) close it permanently (as yes they would announce it if they did close it permanently, so it is coming back, when is the question though).

Unless you have a code for that your willing to give me I can’t use them.

spock

In other words, any CGI/character-whose-face-isn't-shown characters(e.g TOS Gorn) would count. That is most likely why CBS wouldn't let cryptic use Kirk's likeness in the TOS story arc. Unless the actor and CBS agree to it, it's out of the question.

spiritborn

spock#1073 wrote: »

In other words, any CGI/character-whose-face-isn't-shown characters(e.g TOS Gorn) would count. That is most likely why CBS wouldn't let cryptic use Kirk's likeness in the TOS story arc. Unless the actor and CBS agree to it, it's out of the question.

The thing is that the likeness of an actor is copyrighted to themselves, while characters are copyrighted to CBS, so CBS can give a blanket license for Cryptic and by extension players in the Foundry anything but the likeness of the actor (as it's not theirs to give), so it's not really CBS who denied using kirk's likeness but William Shatner and Christopher Pine who denied using either of their likeness (assuming they even asked Christopher Pine that is).

That's M'Ress and Arex are covered within the Cryptic licence (and by extension the foundry EULA) as they're 100% under CBS copyright (and thus Cryptic license), since catians and edosian exist in Star Trek only so there's no "real" M'Ress or Arex who could sue CBS for mis-using their likeness. Essentially if the actor under the make-up/CGI is recognizeble it's out but if the make-up is so heavy that the actor is essentially unrecognizeble then recreating said character is OK, though one should err on the side of caution there.

Important thing to remember is that only way we could use an actor's likeness in the foundry is if said actor gave Cryptic premission to include them there and that as happened only twice with Denise Crosby and Micheal Dorn and no-one outside the devs really knowns why those 2 gave the premission to include them there and even that's kind of iffy so it's best to limit yourself to the NPCs provided rather then try to replicate any other version of Worf, Sela or Tasha Yar.

duncanidaho11

spiritborn wrote: »

Important thing to remember is that only way we could use an actor's likeness in the foundry is if said actor gave Cryptic premission to include them there and that as happened only twice with Denise Crosby and Micheal Dorn and no-one outside the devs really knowns why those 2 gave the premission to include them there and even that's kind of iffy so it's best to limit yourself to the NPCs provided rather then try to replicate any other version of Worf, Sela or Tasha Yar.

Indeed, the NPC's were included as default contacts but we have no details about how they were authorized. Creating NPC's based on these characters is still a EULA violation. It makes no exceptions for negotiations made, we simply cannot use an actor's likeness under any circumstances.


To avoid confusion here, I'll make one blanket recommendation for new authors. If you know why the following isn't universally true, then you probably know enough to work within the Foundry's rules and think about portraying canon characters (ie. from films and TV, STO originals are fine) in a fashion limited enough to be appropriate.

Don't portray canon characters in your Foundry missions

This is a serious issue and if a legal challenge ever arose then the Foundry as we know it could potentially come to an end. Authors have a signed responsibility to follow the EULA and while we can appreciate the fun of writing in the Star Trek universe that does come with very definite limits. If you're not sure about them, err on the safe side. Ask senior authors or Cryptic (through Kael) if you want to try something that might push the limits and respect their advice once given (especially in the event of a "no.")

The Foundry is a powerful tool, as such it must be handled responsibly.


PS. This point came up in a conversation with Drogyn on twitter. Here are the STO/Arc Terms of Use.

16.4 You agree not to post, upload to, transmit, distribute, store, create or otherwise publish any of the following:

• c. User Content that may infringe any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other intellectual or proprietary right of any party. By posting any User Content, you represent and warrant that you have the lawful right to distribute and reproduce such User Content;
• d. User Content that impersonates any person or entity or otherwise misrepresents your affiliation with a person or entity

Recreating casts is, by the letter, a "no" for the main game too. Likeness rights issues would apply. Sharing sliders based on an actor's likeness is also prohibited.