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Hey Cryptic or PWE,
When is the Doff system getting your attention and special named the Diplomatic System Fed and Fed/Romulan system there almost nowhere to find since the map updates and even after promises from the Dev's nothing has been changed and that is sad to say the least....
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited August 2017
    That's a bit of a run-on sentence. You might also want to be a little more specific about what you're asking for. I personally haven't had any issues finding diplomacy duty officer assignments, particularly in what's offered by my first officer in the "department heads" tab. If you need somewhere to look for ripe offerings, check the sectors around DS9 and ESD. Solanae dyson sphere zones will also offer diplomacy assignments.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    I never had a problem with finding diplomatic missions especially in the Alpha Quadrant.
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    Perhaps he is talking about the Diplomatic Missions that open up after getting so high in the Duty Officer Level. You know, the the First Contact Missions and such.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    No one ever knows what he's talking about.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    The existance of getting assignments is not the issue. But a max of 200 dpl points is. 2.500 points at level one then complete level 2 at 15.000 points at level three it is 75.000 points I believe now you need them mostly at the begining of the game. So the point of leveling is not right. And english is not my first so sorry for the grammar
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    Also I believe Gekko promised some time back he wanted to do more with doffing system but that never came from the ground except the DS9 mission and Nimbus mission. Again sorry for the grammar
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    No, I apologize for taking an unprovoked shot at you, it just seems like you always have a negative take on the game in general. Still, that's no reason for me to provoke you, so I apologize.

    If the issue is the amount of experience it takes to level duty officer schools, keep in mind that it's intended to take time and be something you work toward. I find that the fastest way to progress in one specific school is to focus on them one at a time to level them. If you spread your officers around to all the schools at the same time, it takes much longer.
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  • tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    Diplomacy is pretty slow compared to the others. Most diplomacy missions (from my experience) get about 50-100 exp or so and rarely show up, while the others appear often and usually with several 300-500 exp missions and one 1000 exp mission.

    Diplomacy levelling was probably made harder because of the special bridge officer you get at the end.
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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
    His point seemed to me to be that Diplomacy is most useful to new characters, but because it levels so slowly only high level characters get any benefit from it, and that Diplomacy CXP should be 'corrected' so that lower level characters earn more, thus making Diplomacy Commendation worth earning.

    If my interpretation is correct, the OP is right. If my interpretation is wrong, please feel free to laugh and point fingers.
  • kf4tvikf4tvi Member Posts: 165 Arc User
    I remember some assignments don't appear unless you are traveling in sector space and go from a certain sector block into another. I spent time just going back and forth until they appeared. This was around the DS9 area I think. Oh and don't forget to check out all the nebula scattered about too, not just in the alpha quadrant!
  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    The existance of getting assignments is not the issue. But a max of 200 dpl points is. 2.500 points at level one then complete level 2 at 15.000 points at level three it is 75.000 points I believe now you need them mostly at the begining of the game. So the point of leveling is not right. And english is not my first so sorry for the grammar

    To the best of my knowledge, most repeatable Doff missions do not reward a lot of commendation XP with a normal success. The only way to get a lot of commendation XP is on a critical success. Assigning high quality Doffs (rare or very rare) increases the chance of a critical success. Assigning Doffs with traits that can cause the mission to fail will lower the can of success and critical success. Overall, there are no bad traits; an Unruly trait may cause a Diplomatic mission to fail, but for "Drinks On The Town" (a Development mission) the Unruly trait increases the chance of success and critical success.

    On average, my characters have 300 Doff slots; a few have 400, and a new character I created early this year has only 200 for now. The more Doff slots you have the more variety of Doffs you can have with different traits. The Doff system generally selects the best Doffs for the missions automatically, so most of the time I do not bother changing any of the selected Doffs.

    I also try to get a lot of rare and very rare Doffs which helps improve chances of success and critical success. This can take a very long time depending on how many characters on your account you are actively playing and the Doff slots you want to fill. Of course, if you are willing to buy Doffs from the Exchange, then it can be quick and very expensive.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Also I believe Gekko promised some time back he wanted to do more with doffing system but that never came from the ground except the DS9 mission and Nimbus mission. Again sorry for the grammar

    A dev promising something and a dev wanting to do something are absolutely unequatable. Between stated interest and real change is the (often) difficult process of game design. However much they may want to do something, they may not ever get the chance because of the other priorities they have to take on.

    So, work with Diplomacy doffing as is (for the time being.) The tiers are set the same for any other school and the XP payouts are scaled according to time and officer requirements. Diplomacy doesn't often require much of either. When shooting for Tier 4, grab a few more diplomats and advisors and rapid fire your way through assignments (Breen space also has a unique set to run through.) If you want to get diplomacy done immediately you're going to be in for some grinding, but that's not the best way to approach doffing. It's been scaled to be a long term goal (which by no means is a bad thing, other systems such as Admiralty, Endeavors, and Reputation satisfy shorter term goals.)

    Just keep at it, eventually you'll get there.
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  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
    jaguarskx wrote: »
    The Doff system generally selects the best Doffs for the missions automatically, so most of the time I do not bother changing any of the selected Doffs.

    The new player should note that some assignments will take away your DOffs. This is clearly written in the text of these assignments. There is no prompt or request for final permission to prevent your assigned DOffs from being lost; you must read the assignment text to learn this. Sometimes it is beneficial for you, but you don't want to accidentally lose an irreplaceable purple bartender by clicking without reading.
  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    Diplomacy doffing has great rewards for a federation character. Snazzy new jacket, and a kdf officer on your crew. So working long term for it has rewards not really seen in the other doff categories.
    But you have two relatively low level missions that want you to have max level diplomacy to pass a skill check to bluff a guard. That should be lowered so it is doable by that level.

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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    brian334 wrote: »

    The new player should note that some assignments will take away your DOffs. This is clearly written in the text of these assignments. There is no prompt or request for final permission to prevent your assigned DOffs from being lost; you must read the assignment text to learn this. Sometimes it is beneficial for you, but you don't want to accidentally lose an irreplaceable purple bartender by clicking without reading.

    The warning will be in red text. Whether a player will actually read the mission details is up in the air.
  • kf4tvikf4tvi Member Posts: 165 Arc User
    brian334 wrote: »
    The new player should note that some assignments will take away your DOffs. This is clearly written in the text of these assignments. There is no prompt or request for final permission to prevent your assigned DOffs from being lost; you must read the assignment text to learn this. Sometimes it is beneficial for you, but you don't want to accidentally lose an irreplaceable purple bartender by clicking without reading.

    Wow, I had forgotten all about that. I seem to recall struggling with the decision to part with my Orion Entertainer... ;-) Anyway, I am not sure what the rewards were for completing each assignment, but in the end I think you get Diplomatic Immunity for completing the entire arc, which you can give to other players, not yourself, and that increases their sector flight speed...that helps tremendously when you are doing the Tour of the Galaxy.

  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    The existance of getting assignments is not the issue. But a max of 200 dpl points is. 2.500 points at level one then complete level 2 at 15.000 points at level three it is 75.000 points I believe now you need them mostly at the begining of the game. So the point of leveling is not right. And english is not my first so sorry for the grammar


    Ah. I understand now. A long time ago it used to be much faster. There also used to be Exploration Zones where you could get a lot more Diplomatic Experience. Those were replaced by the DOff Nebula areas. You can still get some decent Assignments there, but there fast level-ups are gone.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    tyler002 wrote: »
    Diplomacy is pretty slow compared to the others. Most diplomacy missions (from my experience) get about 50-100 exp or so and rarely show up, while the others appear often and usually with several 300-500 exp missions and one 1000 exp mission.

    Diplomacy levelling was probably made harder because of the special bridge officer you get at the end.

    Odd, Diplomacy always seemed to be the fastest to me. Probably because there were so many missions available, it just seemed easier. The ones that always take me forever are Trade and Recruitment.
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  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    Diplomatic mission reward aint going fast I think you mistaken with some other ting.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited August 2017
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Diplomatic mission reward aint going fast I think you mistaken with some other ting.

    I'm not, I don't know why you're having this issue.

    The per mission reward for Diplomatic tree aren't that great, but sheer volume makes it a fast school to level. If you focus on Diplomacy alone and use all your mission slots only for Diplomatic it won't take long to level. Go out in sector space and move from sector to sector taking all the diplomacy missions, there are plenty of them.

    You think Diplomacy takes a long time.. just wait until you decide to level Recruitment.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    Leveling up commendations can be slow in general. Devoting time and effort into getting good quality Doffs to do the missions with can improve that since it means better chances of critical success which rewards more commendation XP as I mentioned above. That reminds me... I need to bump up Doff slots on my most recent created character to 300 during the next Services Sale.

  • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
    Has anyone done a new DOffing zone map since the map upgrades? There used to be one but I don't know how current it is.
  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Diplomatic mission reward aint going fast I think you mistaken with some other ting.

    I checked my records on my Temporal Agent from the event last year. It took her 4 days to go from rank 3 to rank 4 in Diplomacy. Granted, that meant logging in and filling assignments at least once per 4 hour cycle several times a day, but it was actually faster than it was for my character who did it before the sector blocks became quadrant maps. Getting the assignments is far quicker in the Alpha Quadrant now, since you only have to check the 4 corners of a couple of intersections that are 1 sector apart to cover the entire quadrant, minus any planets/clusters that you might also want to check, rather than going into 4 separate sector blocks to gather those same assignments.
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