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fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
The new Vorgon carrier has a camouflage pattern, just as the escort has one. You may say it is not camouflage, it is a tiger patern, well, the tiger has its patern so it can hunt better. It can disappear among brushes and trees. Its fur does, what camouflage does, because of the stripe patern. In the wild, there is no Pink Panther.

The patern made me wonder. Why a camouflage patern on a space ship? Does it make any sense? The only reason one can think of is because of looks. The Vorgons like it that way. That may be the case, but then I wonder, what does it need to paint a huge star ship? What kind of resources are involved, just to make something looks nicer?

Is the ship painted in an atmosphere where there is gravity? Or can we paint in space and how does one paint in space. Paint is liquid and has to dry out. The most logic theory I can make, is that a paint job in space is done with transporter technology. The paint molecules are put straight to the surface of the ship with a transporter. No need to dry out and you can make any pattern, any colour scheme you want.

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  • lapprenticellapprenticel Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    You're assuming that it is a paint job. Why couldn't the ship surface be 'intelligent paint' and thus capable of changing colour\pattern? Some SF series have this technology, so why not the Vorgons?
    fovrel wrote: »
    The new Vorgon carrier has a camouflage pattern, just as the escort has one. You may say it is not camouflage, it is a tiger patern, well, the tiger has its patern so it can hunt better. It can disappear among brushes and trees. Its fur does, what camouflage does, because of the stripe patern. In the wild, there is no Pink Panther.

    The patern made me wonder. Why a camouflage patern on a space ship? Does it make any sense? The only reason one can think of is because of looks. The Vorgons like it that way. That may be the case, but then I wonder, what does it need to paint a huge star ship? What kind of resources are involved, just to make something looks nicer?

    Is the ship painted in an atmosphere where there is gravity? Or can we paint in space and how does one paint in space. Paint is liquid and has to dry out. The most logic theory I can make, is that a paint job in space is done with transporter technology. The paint molecules are put straight to the surface of the ship with a transporter. No need to dry out and you can make any pattern, any colour scheme you want.

  • kurumimorishitakurumimorishita Member Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    This could also be a cultural thing!
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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User

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    Intelligent paint is a thing in the here and now - there are some special car paints that change colour depending on temprature. [/quote]

    Nontheless, the ship has to be coated, or is it 'baked' into the hull material. Intelligent or non-intelligent, is the paint only for looks? Also, who sees it? Only when the ship is in dock like ESD you can have a good look at the ship.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    The only reason to have paint on a starship at all is for looks.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    The only reason to have paint on a starship at all is for looks.

    ^ This...

    Plus it isn't really much different from Starfleet adding the insignia and ship identifications onto their vessels.

    Racial preferences and such...like why are Klingon and Romulan ships green...Borg ships black...Vulcan brown...while Human/Starfleet ships are generally on the light grey or white side? Because is how they want it I imagine...
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    It is purely aesthetics.

    Sure a tiger's fur pattern can help the tiger conceal itself for hunting in it's various habitats, but the pattern on the Vorgon ships are not considered camouflage. What practical purpose would tiger like stripes serve in space?

    If a starship were to have camouflage, then it would likely just have a black paint job and maybe some white specks here and there to visually blend into the blackness of space with pinpoints of light from distant stars. However, if seen against a nebula in the background the ship would be visible.

    The best "camouflage" for starships would actually be a cloaking device. But they are not infallible since cloaked ships can still be detected as long as you are using the correct detection methods.
  • bloodyrizbloodyriz Member Posts: 1,756 Arc User
    fovrel wrote: »

    Intelligent paint is a thing in the here and now - there are some special car paints that change colour depending on temprature. [/quote]

    Nontheless, the ship has to be coated, or is it 'baked' into the hull material. Intelligent or non-intelligent, is the paint only for looks? Also, who sees it? Only when the ship is in dock like ESD you can have a good look at the ship.
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    Electroplating, that tech has been around for decades, but the time of the game they wouldn't need to put it in liquid, just charge the hull, and spray the colors at it.​​
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  • ioneonioneon Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    I think you're all overthinking it. They made the Vorgons look like fishy people in TNG. In turn the STO devs gave the Vorgon ships a fishy look and pattern. What cooler fishy pattern is there than the pattern of a tiger shark? It's sneaky and aggressive just like the Vorgons were presented in TNG (and later STO).

    Unless this is all just you guys forming some head canon... in which case.. *backs out slowly*
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    The parts of the hull are replicated that way, to créate the patern, that happesn with all ships in STO most parts are replicated. Thou also, it could be that the Vorgon ships are biological in origin...
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    bloodyriz wrote: »
    fovrel wrote: »

    Intelligent paint is a thing in the here and now - there are some special car paints that change colour depending on temprature.

    Nontheless, the ship has to be coated, or is it 'baked' into the hull material. Intelligent or non-intelligent, is the paint only for looks? Also, who sees it? Only when the ship is in dock like ESD you can have a good look at the ship.
    [/quote]

    Electroplating, that tech has been around for decades, but the time of the game they wouldn't need to put it in liquid, just charge the hull, and spray the colors at it.​​[/quote]

    Electroplating is different then a pigmant system and uses acid baths with metals in solution Nickel plating is done this way. What you are thinking of is POWDER COATING a technology that has been around for 2 decades and it isn't metal platinglike electroplating is. It works like this you put a charge on the material you are "painting" then spray a dry powder that is a thermoplastic based material onto it. They two materials have different charge polarities so the dry powder sticks in a uniform layer. You then bake it and some you expose to UV light and it then bonds to the surface and "melts" into a tough layer of color. It can be done in a vacuum as there is no vehicle to flash off like "normal" paint or boil off like an epoxy or ureathene based paint would before it cures.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    You're assuming that it is a paint job. Why couldn't the ship surface be 'intelligent paint' and thus capable of changing colour\pattern? Some SF series have this technology, so why not the Vorgons?
    fovrel wrote: »
    The new Vorgon carrier has a camouflage pattern, just as the escort has one. You may say it is not camouflage, it is a tiger patern, well, the tiger has its patern so it can hunt better. It can disappear among brushes and trees. Its fur does, what camouflage does, because of the stripe patern. In the wild, there is no Pink Panther.

    The patern made me wonder. Why a camouflage patern on a space ship? Does it make any sense? The only reason one can think of is because of looks. The Vorgons like it that way. That may be the case, but then I wonder, what does it need to paint a huge star ship? What kind of resources are involved, just to make something looks nicer?

    Is the ship painted in an atmosphere where there is gravity? Or can we paint in space and how does one paint in space. Paint is liquid and has to dry out. The most logic theory I can make, is that a paint job in space is done with transporter technology. The paint molecules are put straight to the surface of the ship with a transporter. No need to dry out and you can make any pattern, any colour scheme you want.

    Intelligent paint is a thing in the here and now - there are some special car paints that change colour depending on temprature.

    Well you are thinking of a different technology paint. The one you are thinking of only turns two colors from a light to a dark and has been around since the 60's Hot wheels and MAtchbox had toy cars with it that you ran under hot water to change the color. The Paint that shifts color is Chroma-Color and was invented by and trademarked by Dupont paints over 30 years ago and was showcased on several Jeff Gordorn NASCAR racers back then. It shifts color from the angle of the light hitting it or how your angle is looking at it. From one angle it can be gold then shift your view or light and it can cross the spectrum to green, red, purple and black. An early form of this was first used by Dodge on the Shelby CS and ES Daytonas from 1989 and up in one base color called Black Cherry Chrome Metallic. My own Shelby was in this color and it would shift from pure black to a deep purple almost black then dark cherry red. Very striking color it was a premimum option at the time.
  • trejgontrejgon Member Posts: 323 Arc User
    and how are you sure that the stripes are not the result of methind of manufacturing the hull plating?:P

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