T6 Vor'cha...what would you be looking for in specs?

goodscotch

Been thinking about what a T6 Vor'cha would look like. I've been enjoying the 5/3 configuration on my D7 Temporal Battlecruiser. Would be nice to see that on a T6 Vor'cha. Hull at lvl 60 would be 50k. Consoles would be 5Tac, 4 Eng, 2 Sci. Turn rate would be 10. Maybe...4 device slots. Bridge officers would definitely include a Universal, either Pilot or Command. Any release should have a Fleet T6 in mind.

revanindustries

Thus far, the T6 Upgrades of an existing T5 haven't seen a weapon layout change, so I wouldn't expect a 5/3 sadly.

warmaker001b

If you want to have a very basic idea on how a T6 Vor'Cha would be like in stats, look no further than the T6 Elachi Monbosh. Why?

The T5 Lobi Monbosh was for most parts, almost a straight copy & paste of the KDF T5 Fleet Vor'Cha. When LOR released with the Elachi Lockbox and Lobi Monbosh, the copy & paste of the Vor'Cha stats were so complete for it that Cryptic forgot to remove the Standard Cloak and had to patch it out a day or two after it went live.

Proof?
T5 Fleet Vor'Cha
T5 Elachi Monbosh

Close, right? Now here's the T6 Monbosh / Ornash. Imagine that with a few tweaks and a built in Standard Cloak, and you have the T6 Vor'Cha stats.

goodscotch

warmaker001b wrote: »

If you want to have a very basic idea on how a T6 Vor'Cha would be like in stats, look no further than the T6 Elachi Monbosh. Why?

The T5 Lobi Monbosh was for most parts, almost a straight copy & paste of the KDF T5 Fleet Vor'Cha. When LOR released with the Elachi Lockbox and Lobi Monbosh, the copy & paste of the Vor'Cha stats were so complete for it that Cryptic forgot to remove the Standard Cloak and had to patch it out a day or two after it went live.

Proof?
T5 Fleet Vor'Cha
T5 Elachi Monbosh

Close, right? Now here's the T6 Monbosh / Ornash. Imagine that with a few tweaks and a built in Standard Cloak, and you have the T6 Vor'Cha stats.

That would make a nice T6 Vor'cha! Interesting observation. Thanks for your post.

lordmalak1

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I forgot for a sec KDF players aren't real fans.

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warmaker001b

I just have a feeling they'll straddle her with Command. Faction Cruisers / Battlecruisers tend to get that. Of all the specializations, that's the worst one.

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orangeitis

warmaker001b wrote: »

If you want to have a very basic idea on how a T6 Vor'Cha would be like in stats, look no further than the T6 Elachi Monbosh. Why?

The T5 Lobi Monbosh was for most parts, almost a straight copy & paste of the KDF T5 Fleet Vor'Cha.

And that's why it'll be different.

Way to miss the actual point of T6 ships! =p

icsairguns

orangeitis wrote: »

And that's why it'll be different.

Way to miss the actual point of T6 ships! =p

and if it is too much of a departure from the old it wont be any good. Way to miss the point of people who actually Play KDF.

staq16

It's rather surprising we haven't had a Vor'cha variant among the temporal ships, seeing as it turned up at Procyon V, and I'm guessing we are now nearing the end of the Temporal ships theme (expect a new spec later this year).

Still, as a contemporary ship design there's always a chance.

warmaker001b

orangeitis wrote: »

warmaker001b wrote: »

If you want to have a very basic idea on how a T6 Vor'Cha would be like in stats, look no further than the T6 Elachi Monbosh. Why?

The T5 Lobi Monbosh was for most parts, almost a straight copy & paste of the KDF T5 Fleet Vor'Cha.

And that's why it'll be different.

Way to miss the actual point of T6 ships! =p

You haven't been paying attention to trends between the T5->T6 transitions man!

mustrumridcully0

Forum eating my posts again.

and then it didn't allow me to post the thing I wanted to post for some reason. Maybe it thought I already posted it and refused a double posting? But here it might be now, finally.

I don't really care what specialization it will have, as long as it gets the Tier 6 treatment. All its base stats are awesome and if taken over should be no problem.

The Fleet Tor'khat was basically the Klingon Sovereign Class, so I'd base things on what happened with that ship. I doubt that they are going to make many retrofits that come with a full spec outside of lockbox ships (like the D7).

• Weapons: 4 Front, 4 Aft; Can Use Dual Cannons
• Shield Modifier: 1.0 (1.1. Fleet)
• Hull: 46.700 (51.200 Fleet) (Tier 6)
• Turn Rate: 10
• Impulse Modifier: 0.15
• Inertia: 20
• Bonus Power: +10 Weapons, +10 Engine
• Cloak
• Consoles: 4 Engineering, 2 Science (+1 Fleet), 4 Tactical
• Bridge Officer Seats
  • Commander Engineer
  • Lt.Cmdr Tactical
  • Lt. Tactical
  • Ensign Engineer
  • Lt.Cmdr Universal|Specialization (let's say, Pilot)
• Starship Mastery Trait: Tactical Auxilliary Systems
• Universal Console: Disruptor Collimator Array

So, yeah, you get a fake Universal slot that you practically have to take for Science and probably won't use much for spec purposes because you need the science slots.

Alternate seating (in my opinion better)

• Commander Engineer
• Lt.Cmdr Tactical | Pilot
• Lt. Tactical
• Ensign Universal
• Lt.Cmdr Universal

Tactical Auxilliary Systems - Starship Mastery Trait
When activating Auxiliary to Dampeners, Auxiliary to Structural Integrity or Auxiliary to Batteries you gain the following benefits:
+5 max weapon and engine power, +50 % turn rate and +20 bonus resistance to all damage for 10 seconds. This effect can occur only once every 30 seconds.


Disruptor Collimator Array - Universal Cnsole
the idea behind this is that the Klingons tried to integrate the idea of the Federation phaser proc into their own weapon.
Passive: +10 % Disruptor Damage
Active: When activated, for the next 15 seconds all your directed energy attacks have a 2.5 % chance to inflict additional disruptor damage and to knock out a random subsystem.
Cooldown: 2 minutes

Klingon Battlecruiser Experimental Technologies Set
Set Items: Isometric Charge, Disruptor Collimator Array

• Set 2: Advanced Cloaking Technologies: Upgrades Cloak to Battle Cloak.

If the Sovereign can get Battle Cloak, why not the Vor'Cha?


Alternate Trait idea:
Tactical Transporter Array - Starship Mastery Trait
The advanced tactical transporter modifications installed on your ship allow rapid deployment of troops even when under full shields.
When you activate Tactical Team while a targeted enemy or a random enemy in range suffers from a boarding party debuff takes kinetic damage.
Whenevever you boarding parties disable a subsystem or increase the recharge duration, or when a boarding party shuttle is disabled, the cooldown of Tactical Team is reduced by 5 seconds. This effect can occur onlce once every 15 seconds.

staq16

It occurred to me that there's one reasonably high-profile canon Fed design that the Vor'cha could partner at T6; the Ambassador class. The Vor'cha always struck me as a belated answer to the Ambassador in terms of size and capability - as Cryptic have pitched, it's the Negh'var which is equivalent to the Galaxy-class.

When we get a new specialisation, I think we could reasonably hope to see these two partnered with a Cryptic-designed Rommie.

mustrumridcully0

The Ambassador might make sense, at least if we assume it needs to be a Retrofit and the retrofit must be a Cruiser.

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warmaker001b

Just remember man, the Goomba and B'Rel somehow made it to T6

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warmaker001b

patrickngo wrote: »

warmaker001b wrote: »

Just remember man, the Goomba and B'Rel somehow made it to T6

alright, so it's a very SMALL chance.

Think of it in this kind of light!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s

lordmalak1

Fleet Tor'kat is about as close as they're gonna get, since the fleet Duvqu' is everything you could possibly want in a Vor'cha except it's good looks. With all this power creep I might actually like the Mat'Ha I bought years ago, back then the T5 Kamaraq was just so much more fun to fly and I couldn't stomach the outrageous price they wanted to upgrade it to fleet. I wouldn't even flinch spending money on a c-store t6 Kammy if it had a LtC tac/intel seat and another TAC console.

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icsairguns

patrickngo wrote: »

something that emphasizes it's a Klingon WAR vessel, a line fighter, a ship of the line that made it all the way to the 26th Century and the Battle of Procyon V, because it's just that goddam badass.

Best request for a T6 Vorcha I have seen to date...

lordmalak1

icsairguns wrote: »

patrickngo wrote: »

something that emphasizes it's a Klingon WAR vessel, a line fighter, a ship of the line that made it all the way to the 26th Century and the Battle of Procyon V, because it's just that goddam badass.

Best request for a T6 Vorcha I have seen to date...

LOL, ya. Glad I took the time to lob a spitball right over the plate for him.

goodscotch

One other thought in reference to this. When I pull my T5-U Fleet Tor'khat out and modify it's appearance to fit the Vor'cha mold, I always use the Vor'kang's Mission Pod and Tor'khat's neck. It looks like a streamlined Vor'cha. If you're really into something a bit more modernized, you could even use the Tor'khat's armored warp nacelles on it. BAM! Upgraded Vor'cha Attack Cruiser! Keeping the dream alive!

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lordmalak1

heh, we got bloodwine, feds got romulan ale.

Who'se handicapped ?

potasssium

Having flown both, and still using the heavy cruiser on my AoY, I would say that that is the federation ship that is closest to the Vor'cha.

I actually run my heavy cruiser on the character like a dual beam bank Vor'cha, she has a really nice power slide drift

aurigas7

I would look for a ship that's able to do what was seen on tv.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CLjAn7xBOiw

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IxeSwy_Wm40

https://youtube.com/watch?v=89WcIwjlQxA


One thing should be clear from watching this: the Vor'cha wasn't designed as broadsiding beam spammer.
As a ship with emphasis on frontal firepower, it should have been 5/3 from the beginning. That's for me the most important thing. The option for an optimal DBB/cannon setup.

I don't want to change anything regarding turnrates, agility etc. The Tor'kaht is just perfect in that regard.

For T6 usually one of the lieutenant seats is upgraded to LtCmdr. >> Lieutenant tac upgraded to LtCmdr tac/pilot,
giving me the choice between an attack pattern and some sort of siege mode: oh yes.

Last but not least a special weapon/console that gives me that "Yamato gun" from the first vid would seal the deal for me.

orangeitis

icsairguns wrote: »

orangeitis wrote: »

And that's why it'll be different.

Way to miss the actual point of T6 ships! =p

and if it is too much of a departure from the old it wont be any good. Way to miss the point of people who actually Play KDF.

As a person who plays KDF myself, I can recognize that I have missed no point. Also, "any good" is subjective. Why should the rest of us care what you think is good or not?

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