B'rel vrs Hegh'ta

wendysue53

Finally got the KDF ship and then had a dilemma.
I couldn't decide if B'rel Bird-of-Prey Retrofit without the upgrade was as good as Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey. I'm still using the Hegh'ta, since I can't see much of a difference and it seems the better choice (plus the custom on it is nicer to look at for a while).

Spent a day leveling so I could unlock it, when I probably should have been hunting Omega, only... Only, those stupid particles are still floating infront of my eyes. Not a big fan of the mini-games made-for-flash-phones-but-put-in-a-pc-game.

*re-reads the stats on those* Okay. So the B'rel has an Enhanced Battlecloak. Hmm... use as a torp-boat maybe? but the turn-over on all torps isn't very great, I wouldn't think. May need to try it out.

alcyoneserene

Enhanced Battle Cloak is worth it, not just for torps but you can heal while cloaked and use many science powers, whereas with regular battle cloak you can't and have to rely on passive heals.

jaguarskx

Without the T5u upgrade the B'rel BoP Retrofit has slightly better specs than the Hegh'ta as you can see in the links. I suppose the biggest difference is the extra Engineering console slot that gives you an extra slot for either an engineering or universal console. And of course the B'rel has an enhanced cloak which allows you to cloak during combat... not recommended when a torpedo is locked onto you. The 80 inertia rating (vs 60) and 23 turn rate (vs 21) makes the B'rel pretty maneuverable and fun to fly.

I have not flown the T5 B'rel Retrofit or the T6 Kor as a torpedo ship, but yes you can use in that manner. Launching torpedoes while you are cloaked will temporally de-cloak you. You can also use offensive science abilities (which should not de-cloak the ship) like Gravity Well and Subspace Vortex which I highly recommend using. Activate GW to pull enemy ships together and cause exotic damage. Then active SV to cause even more exotic damage. Then launch a torpedo spread.

Kelvin Timeline Photon Torpedoes has the [Reload] modifier which reduces a torpedo's cooldown by 2 seconds. This means the cooldown is 4 seconds instead of 6 seconds for standard photon torpedoes; can be purchased from the Exchange The Quantum Phase Torpedo (from Sunrise) is a good torpedo to use to damage shields. The Particle Emission Plasma Torpedo is good torpedo that that can do a bit of AoE damage due to the plasma cloud it creates the damage caused by the plasma cloud is modified by anything that can increases Exotic Particle Generator skill; can be purchased from the Exchange.

There are plenty of options for a torpedo ship. Keep in mind of the slow firing rate compared to Beam Weapons. To have your ship automatically launch torpedoes at your current target you need to press Alt + Spacebar.

warmaker001b

Enhanced Battle Cloak allows you to use repairs and numerous abilities on yourself or another target while cloaked. It also allows you to fire torps while cloaked. Doing these actions on another target will temporarily dip you out of cloak but the cloak is reapplied a few seconds after the action is done. It used to be a lot shorter in reapplication but Feds whined long ago so Cryptic nerfed the B'Rels Enhanced Battle Cloak. One thing that any Enhanced Battle Cloak ship can do is drop mines and it doesn't dip the ship temporarily out of cloak. This was of big use to me when I used to PVP.

However, in typical PVE especially where time is a concern, Enhanced Battle Cloak is pointless. The game is all about damage and doing as much as quickly as possible. A ship lurking with Enhanced Battle Cloak doing an action or two every few seconds is a detriment to the team and mission objectives. The team in PVE is better served with any other ship that isn't staying in cloak for long periods doing nothing.

The real strength of Enhanced Battle Cloak only truly comes into fruition in PVP. Most especially in open ended zones where time and map space isn't a factor. The kind of PVP where the ship can freely fly, observe, prepare, and strike when the time is right. Most especially if the ship is part of a team. The B'Rel with Enhanced Battle Cloak with lots of crazy possible builds really shines. But in Arena PVP it falters.

shpoks

While we're at it, I want to use this opportunity to start begging Cryptic for a T6 Hegh'ta once again!
Please Cryptic for the love of Kahless, make a T6 Hegh'ta. Don't even make a new skin if you don't want to, the Hegh'ta is one of the best looking ships as it is, just make a T6 variant, please. The best Hegh'ta we currently have is a vanilla T5, it doesn't even have a fleet version that can be brought to T5-U to make it a bit more up to date and that hurts on a BoP. Believe me, I've tried and still am stubbornly trying to make the most of it. I love the thing.

warmaker001b

Using this opportunity for saying: T6 K'Vort!

jaguarskx

shpoks wrote: »

While we're at it, I want to use this opportunity to start begging Cryptic for a T6 Hegh'ta once again!
Please Cryptic for the love of Kahless, make a T6 Hegh'ta.

There's already the T6 Kor BoP. There is no real need for another T6 BoP in the C-Store. A Hegh'ta BoP Retrofit does seem likely when Cryptic introduces T7 ships once Cryptic is done releasing T6 ships.

nightken

jaguarskx wrote: »

shpoks wrote: »

While we're at it, I want to use this opportunity to start begging Cryptic for a T6 Hegh'ta once again!
Please Cryptic for the love of Kahless, make a T6 Hegh'ta.

There's already the T6 Kor BoP. There is no real need for another T6 BoP in the C-Store. A Hegh'ta BoP Retrofit does seem likely when Cryptic introduces T7 ships once Cryptic is done releasing T6 ships.

I disagree I would love a bop with a more sci focused console layout. no need for ebc ether.

shpoks

jaguarskx wrote: »

There's already the T6 Kor BoP. There is no real need for another T6 BoP in the C-Store. A Hegh'ta BoP Retrofit does seem likely when Cryptic introduces T7 ships once Cryptic is done releasing T6 ships.

Why are there 1.345.047 cruisers in the C-Store then? It's not about a ship profile, it's about flavor. Not everyone likes a single ship, why not have more options? We used to have at least a handfull of different BoPs at T5, I don't see why we shouldn't have at least a couple at T6.

ichaerus1

shpoks wrote: »

jaguarskx wrote: »

There's already the T6 Kor BoP. There is no real need for another T6 BoP in the C-Store. A Hegh'ta BoP Retrofit does seem likely when Cryptic introduces T7 ships once Cryptic is done releasing T6 ships.

Why are there 1.345.047 cruisers in the C-Store then? It's not about a ship profile, it's about flavor. Not everyone likes a single ship, why not have more options? We used to have at least a handfull of different BoPs at T5, I don't see why we shouldn't have at least a couple at T6.

Add the Ki'Tang/Ch'Tang/Norgh/Ning'tao to the list of ones I want to see added to T6. Even the MU Ki'Tang, since that model always has the wings down.

warmaker001b

ichaerus1 wrote: »

shpoks wrote: »

jaguarskx wrote: »

There's already the T6 Kor BoP. There is no real need for another T6 BoP in the C-Store. A Hegh'ta BoP Retrofit does seem likely when Cryptic introduces T7 ships once Cryptic is done releasing T6 ships.

Why are there 1.345.047 cruisers in the C-Store then? It's not about a ship profile, it's about flavor. Not everyone likes a single ship, why not have more options? We used to have at least a handfull of different BoPs at T5, I don't see why we shouldn't have at least a couple at T6.

Add the Ki'Tang/Ch'Tang/Norgh/Ning'tao to the list of ones I want to see added to T6. Even the MU Ki'Tang, since that model always has the wings down.

Did they ever fix the Mirror Ki'Tang's wings not moving?

geekysoldier

No, they didn't

alcyoneserene

I'd definitely be in for a T6 Hegh'ta and a Norgh provided it can still access the Ning'tao skin, and that they both be upgraded to enhanced battle cloak if Feds now get C-Store raiders with battle cloak (Temporal Raider), with an extra science console or two.

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nightken

coolbatman wrote: »

T6 K'Vort ftw..... but aint the k'vort nothing more than a larger b'rel ????

yep, it's pretty much a cruiser sized b'rel.

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dracounguis

warmaker001b wrote: »

Using this opportunity for saying: T6 K'Vort!

K'Vort would be sweet.

mustrumridcully0

jaguarskx wrote: »

shpoks wrote: »

While we're at it, I want to use this opportunity to start begging Cryptic for a T6 Hegh'ta once again!
Please Cryptic for the love of Kahless, make a T6 Hegh'ta.

There's already the T6 Kor BoP. There is no real need for another T6 BoP in the C-Store. A Hegh'ta BoP Retrofit does seem likely when Cryptic introduces T7 ships once Cryptic is done releasing T6 ships.

There are no Command or Intel based Bird of Preys in the C-Store, so there is still plenty of room for a new Bird of Prey.

revanindustries

In regards to the OP, if you are deciding between the Hegh'ta and the B'rel, the B'rel wins hands down. I believe it has a better turn rate, slightly more survivable, and then with the Enhanced Battle Cloak you have more bridge officer options that can be used under cloak. In addition, the B'rel has a fleet version and T5U options.

Back in the day (before T6) you had a choice between three endgame BoPs: the B'rel, Norgh, and Hoh'sus. The B'rel had EBC, making it a favorite of Science Captains, Torpedo Boats, and those who wanted an edge on survivability. The Norgh paid the "Raider tax" in the form of consoles rather than BOff slots, and it had the (at that time) unique ability to slot 2 LtC BOff powers. It was a fan favorite for Alpha Striking, and it has a beautiful model in the Ning'tao skin. The Hoh'sus was the only BoP to have 4 Tac Consoles, if you could get past how ugly it is. The Mirror Ki'tang had a brief time in the limelight as a surprisingly good ship: with dual LtC seating and 4 Tac consoles it really had potential.

Now, the Kor has replaced the position of the B'rel (obviously). The Ouroboros and D4x can be likened to Hoh'sus counterparts. What we don't have is a Norgh analog: a raider that trades a console slot for a BOff power. I'd love to see a triple LtC BoP, even if it only had 10 console slots.

warmaker001b

The B'Rel as an T5U possible ship also has the mastery bonus. As a T5U it doesn't get a trait, but it does get the 4 regular mastery bonus package. The freebie Lv40 ships that can't upgrade to T5U don't get that.

potasssium

I would see the K'Vort as a Destroyer with a battle cloak, much like the KDF vet Ship, but with a bit less hull, and a bit more turn. Maybe a Console that gives it the raider flanking passive and shoots a HY Torpedo.

nightken

potasssium wrote: »

I would see the K'Vort as a Destroyer with a battle cloak, much like the KDF vet Ship, but with a bit less hull, and a bit more turn. Maybe a Console that gives it the raider flanking passive and shoots a HY Torpedo.

destroyer sounds right in tearms of turn rate, hull and whatever but it probably should actually be a heavy raider in terms of actual classification since that what it be a really big raider.

edit: actually now that I think about it they have a good state block already. the tempoal d7 drop one the ltc seat to lt, make em all uni. drop the temporal stuff and crusier commands, add raider flanking. keep the intel ltc seating and battle cloak, oh and drop the extra weapons so it's 4/2. use just about anything for the console except battery or torp and add that to the b'rel set. and you got a very solid ship.

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