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How about a whole new ship design?

I've been enjoying the huge diversity of ships the Cryptic has offered for STO. But I kinda have a problem with the way the universal seatings are done. If they say they are universal, they really aren't. They still have to meet with a specialization requirement. Now, How about a ship that comes in 3 varieties for the 3 careers, but also use warp cores AND/OR singularity cores depending if you're playing a Romulan or not. So if you are playing a Romulan, you'll have to use Singularity cores, but if you're not playing a Romulan Republic character, then warp cores are your only option.

As for the seating:
1 Commander Tactical
1 Lt Com Universal/Universal (Any specialization AND any career)
1 Lt Science
1 Lt Engineering
1 Ensign Universal

4 For weapons
4 Aft Weapons

3 device slots
(Here's where the 3 variants differ)
Tactical:
4 Engineering consoles
2 Science Consoles
5 Tactical Consoles

Engineering:
5 Engineering Consoles
3 Science consoles
3 Tactical Consoles

Science:
3 Engineering Consoles
5 Science Consoles
3 Tactical Consoles

Hull Strength: At level 50, 35000 and at level 60, 40000
Shield Modifier of 1.2
Base Turn Rate 17.5 degrees/second
Impulse Modifier .16
Inertia 50

And again, depending on the variant:
Science: +10 to Shield and Aux
Tactical: +10 to Weapons and Engines
Engineering: +10 to shields and engines

and the Engineering would have cruiser commands, science would have sensor analysis, while the tactical could have 1 hanger with fighters
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Now I haven't forgotten about our Klingon Brothers and Sisters:
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And for our Romulan friends:
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Could call the Set of ships the throwback design ships.
I know this all seems to stupid for most purists, but I seen these just browsing around the interwebs and the idea just popped in my head.
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  • stee1maxstee1max Member Posts: 227 Arc User
    Simple answer: No. Everyone will just go for the science version with 5 sci consoles, regardless. Because DPS.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    not a fan of the images you chose for designs, the general concept is interesting but you need to consider the min/max munchkin brigades out there that will exploit the hell out of anything.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    Because having one ship that can fill any role means no one would ever buy any other ships. This ship idea is actually too versatile, it would result in everyone flying the same ship and kill sales on everything else.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    stee1max wrote: »
    Simple answer: No. Everyone will just go for the science version with 5 sci consoles, regardless. Because DPS.

    Why would non-sci captains want 5 sci consoles? I use my sci slots exclusively for universal consoles ...
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    stee1max wrote: »
    Simple answer: No. Everyone will just go for the science version with 5 sci consoles, regardless. Because DPS.

    Why would non-sci captains want 5 sci consoles? I use my sci slots exclusively for universal consoles ...

    Because the Embassy Science Consoles are actually the best DPS consoles in the game.
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    I like the idea of a more generalized ship that plays off of the basic conventions of FED/KDF/ROM design...but as a generalist it shouldn't have the design features of its more specialized counterparts. I would even say that having 5 consoles from any profession would be right-out. It's capabilities should pretty much be right in the middle, a ship you use to just kick back and immerse yourself in a generalized lump of FED/KDF/ROM design language.

    It feels like we've been getting ships on the extremes, focusing on specific niches. That's given us a lot of cool ships, but I'm starting to hanker for a truly stock 25c ship (for FED, at least) that's made specifically to blend in the background. Something like that first fan concept would be right on the money, provided that it was scaled to fit between the Sovereign and Constitution (too big or too small and it would feel specialized to some purpose.)
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  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    OP, unless I'm mistaken your "new" Fed ship is a rejected design for Archer's Enterprise. Not really illustrating the whole "novel" concept.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    I doubt we will get an all specialization ship anytime soon.

    Would depend how desperate Cryptic get's and will almost certainly be in a promo pack..

    The rest is pretty much a Scimitar, but without the 5/3 weapon setup.
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  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,336 Arc User
    As with what other people have stated, having a Universal/Universal seat would hurt ship sales greatly.

    When the specializations were first introduced, we know that the ships only had Intelligence as their specialization. Since Delta Rising's introduction of these, Command, Pilot and Temporal Operative have joined in, giving us four potential ship set ups (though the latter mostly seems to be restricted to the new Temporal ships from the C-store, lock box ships, promo ships and lobi store ships that either meddled with time or are from another era.

    Specializations essentially serve as additional options for the devs to give variety to ship layouts and allow a certain versatility where the ships may not have had one at T5. If the devs were to go Universal/Universal, you could essentially say goodbye to any future ships to come out since no one would want to buy anything else that doesn't have a universal specialist seat.

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    As with what other people have stated, having a Universal/Universal seat would hurt ship sales greatly.

    When the specializations were first introduced, we know that the ships only had Intelligence as their specialization. Since Delta Rising's introduction of these, Command, Pilot and Temporal Operative have joined in, giving us four potential ship set ups (though the latter mostly seems to be restricted to the new Temporal ships from the C-store, lock box ships, promo ships and lobi store ships that either meddled with time or are from another era.

    Specializations essentially serve as additional options for the devs to give variety to ship layouts and allow a certain versatility where the ships may not have had one at T5. If the devs were to go Universal/Universal, you could essentially say goodbye to any future ships to come out since no one would want to buy anything else that doesn't have a universal specialist seat.

    I sort of agree, instead of universal/universal I think new variants of old ships are more likely, like a temporal intrepid, Intel galaxy, etc
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    As with what other people have stated, having a Universal/Universal seat would hurt ship sales greatly.

    When the specializations were first introduced, we know that the ships only had Intelligence as their specialization. Since Delta Rising's introduction of these, Command, Pilot and Temporal Operative have joined in, giving us four potential ship set ups (though the latter mostly seems to be restricted to the new Temporal ships from the C-store, lock box ships, promo ships and lobi store ships that either meddled with time or are from another era.

    Specializations essentially serve as additional options for the devs to give variety to ship layouts and allow a certain versatility where the ships may not have had one at T5. If the devs were to go Universal/Universal, you could essentially say goodbye to any future ships to come out since no one would want to buy anything else that doesn't have a universal specialist seat.

    I sort of agree, instead of universal/universal I think new variants of old ships are more likely, like a temporal intrepid, Intel galaxy, etc

    Since they have already done this with the Mirror Guardian and the Command Assault Cruiser, I'd call it almost guaranteed. Granted, these two are one-off promo ships, but in time...
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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    they won't take ship designs from out-of-house. So no point really bringing them up. Although I have a few sketchbooks I could toss their what if they ever did. But to do that you have to be employed by Cryptic and I'm working for a different game comp so can't.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    wendysue53 wrote: »
    they won't take ship designs from out-of-house. So no point really bringing them up. Although I have a few sketchbooks I could toss their what if they ever did. But to do that you have to be employed by Cryptic and I'm working for a different game comp so can't.

    In truth they have. The Oddesy, Vesta and the NX's were not designed by Cryptic. If you want to come down to brass tacks most of the ships are from outside of Cryptic design offices. TOS ships, TNG Galaxy, DS9 Defiant, Voyager all were designed elsewhere .
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    Odyssey was different, was a contest for the fans to design the next enterprise
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    Odyssey was different, was a contest for the fans to design the next enterprise
    Exactly an outside source. Drexler sure as heck doesn't work for them either.

  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    OP, did you pay for the right to the owners of those pictures to post on these forums?
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    Odyssey was different, was a contest for the fans to design the next enterprise
    Exactly an outside source. Drexler sure as heck doesn't work for them either.

    A contest is different, there's no licensing issues or anything, the other outside designs were a bit more difficult to get the rights to use, though from what I read Drexler is real easy to work with regarding the NX Refit
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    Odyssey was different, was a contest for the fans to design the next enterprise
    Exactly an outside source. Drexler sure as heck doesn't work for them either.

    A contest is different, there's no licensing issues or anything, the other outside designs were a bit more difficult to get the rights to use, though from what I read Drexler is real easy to work with regarding the NX Refit

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  • wendysue53wendysue53 Member Posts: 1,569 Arc User
    ssbn655 wrote: »
    wendysue53 wrote: »
    they won't take ship designs from out-of-house. So no point really bringing them up. Although I have a few sketchbooks I could toss their what if they ever did. But to do that you have to be employed by Cryptic and I'm working for a different game comp so can't.

    In truth they have. The Oddesy, Vesta and the NX's were not designed by Cryptic. If you want to come down to brass tacks most of the ships are from outside of Cryptic design offices. TOS ships, TNG Galaxy, DS9 Defiant, Voyager all were designed elsewhere .

    true.
  • nimbullnimbull Member Posts: 1,566 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    The USS Bent Nose...

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    Good for so many landings on windy planets before the nose gets to crooked.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    nimbull wrote: »
    The USS Bent Nose...

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    Good for so many landings on windy planets before the nose gets to crooked.

    Thats a design i can get behind +1
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    cidjack wrote: »
    OP, did you pay for the right to the owners of those pictures to post on these forums?

    Since when do you need to pay someone to link public pictures in an image board or forum? Don't be "that guy", OP is not trying to pose them as their own nor trying to sell them.​​
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