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Which Iconic cardassian would you like a mirror version of in STO

jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
edited December 2016 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Simple question which iconis cardassian would you be most interested in having a mirror version of in STO.

Which Iconic cardassian would you like a mirror version of in STO 14 votes

Gul Dukat (Mirror version)
35%
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Gul Dumar (Mirror version )
0%
Other
64%
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  • discojerdiscojer Member Posts: 533 Arc User
    Gul Bertgottfried
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
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    To few listed since there are some interesting Cardassians that are missing like Garak, Gul Madred, and Tora Ziyal. I could understand not including Gul Madred and Tora Ziyal, but missing Garak is a huge oversight.
  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
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    Elim Garak
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Who is "Dumar"?
    There is Damar, of course, but I'm unfamiliar with this one.
    #TASforSTO
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
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    discojer wrote: »
    Gul Bertgottfried

    I lol'ed a little too much at this.
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  • seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
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    I'd like to see a take on Garak's dad, Enabran Tain.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Enabran_Tain

    In the prime universe, he was in charge of the Obsidian Order. I would love to see how the mirror universe counterpart would turn out to be.

    Why him over Mirror Garak? Because we already had plenty of him in DS9. He was just a generic minion/buffoon that checked all boxes on the generic villain list, even the actor admitted not liking the character, and I quote:

    "On the character he commented, "I was really, really, really happy about Garak's death. I never liked those alternate universe shows because that Garak was just a stupid bad guy. The thing that's great about our Garak is that he has subtext. There's a lot going on beneath the surface, and if you don't pay attention, then you're in trouble because he's got you. But the mirror Garak had no subtext. He was just a toady opportunist." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)"

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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
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    Garak. Plain, simple Garak.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    No wait. Since it is the Mirror Universe does that mean that the Cardassians are good guys?
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    seriousxeno wrote: »
    I'd like to see a take on Garak's dad, Enabran Tain.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Enabran_Tain

    In the prime universe, he was in charge of the Obsidian Order. I would love to see how the mirror universe counterpart would turn out to be.

    Why him over Mirror Garak? Because we already had plenty of him in DS9. He was just a generic minion/buffoon that checked all boxes on the generic villain list, even the actor admitted not liking the character, and I quote:

    "On the character he commented, "I was really, really, really happy about Garak's death. I never liked those alternate universe shows because that Garak was just a stupid bad guy. The thing that's great about our Garak is that he has subtext. There's a lot going on beneath the surface, and if you don't pay attention, then you're in trouble because he's got you. But the mirror Garak had no subtext. He was just a toady opportunist." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)"
    I agree.

    Also, people seem to forget this tiny, little, microscopic detail about Mirror!Garak:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyTvOwpmwaw
    #TASforSTO
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
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    saurializard wrote: »
    seriousxeno wrote: »
    I'd like to see a take on Garak's dad, Enabran Tain.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Enabran_Tain

    In the prime universe, he was in charge of the Obsidian Order. I would love to see how the mirror universe counterpart would turn out to be.

    Why him over Mirror Garak? Because we already had plenty of him in DS9. He was just a generic minion/buffoon that checked all boxes on the generic villain list, even the actor admitted not liking the character, and I quote:

    "On the character he commented, "I was really, really, really happy about Garak's death. I never liked those alternate universe shows because that Garak was just a stupid bad guy. The thing that's great about our Garak is that he has subtext. There's a lot going on beneath the surface, and if you don't pay attention, then you're in trouble because he's got you. But the mirror Garak had no subtext. He was just a toady opportunist." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)"
    I agree.

    Also, people seem to forget this tiny, little, microscopic detail about Mirror!Garak:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyTvOwpmwaw

    When has that ever mattered for introducing a character in STO? Besides this is the Mirror version of Garak we are talking about. If he wants others to think he is dead, then they will think he is dead.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    starkaos wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    seriousxeno wrote: »
    I'd like to see a take on Garak's dad, Enabran Tain.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Enabran_Tain

    In the prime universe, he was in charge of the Obsidian Order. I would love to see how the mirror universe counterpart would turn out to be.

    Why him over Mirror Garak? Because we already had plenty of him in DS9. He was just a generic minion/buffoon that checked all boxes on the generic villain list, even the actor admitted not liking the character, and I quote:

    "On the character he commented, "I was really, really, really happy about Garak's death. I never liked those alternate universe shows because that Garak was just a stupid bad guy. The thing that's great about our Garak is that he has subtext. There's a lot going on beneath the surface, and if you don't pay attention, then you're in trouble because he's got you. But the mirror Garak had no subtext. He was just a toady opportunist." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)"
    I agree.

    Also, people seem to forget this tiny, little, microscopic detail about Mirror!Garak:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyTvOwpmwaw

    When has that ever mattered for introducing a character in STO?
    ... Always?

    With the exception of Tasha Yar, but that's the character's only gimmick, even back in TNG.
    #TASforSTO
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
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    saurializard wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    saurializard wrote: »
    seriousxeno wrote: »
    I'd like to see a take on Garak's dad, Enabran Tain.

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Enabran_Tain

    In the prime universe, he was in charge of the Obsidian Order. I would love to see how the mirror universe counterpart would turn out to be.

    Why him over Mirror Garak? Because we already had plenty of him in DS9. He was just a generic minion/buffoon that checked all boxes on the generic villain list, even the actor admitted not liking the character, and I quote:

    "On the character he commented, "I was really, really, really happy about Garak's death. I never liked those alternate universe shows because that Garak was just a stupid bad guy. The thing that's great about our Garak is that he has subtext. There's a lot going on beneath the surface, and if you don't pay attention, then you're in trouble because he's got you. But the mirror Garak had no subtext. He was just a toady opportunist." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)"
    I agree.

    Also, people seem to forget this tiny, little, microscopic detail about Mirror!Garak:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyTvOwpmwaw

    When has that ever mattered for introducing a character in STO?
    ... Always?

    With the exception of Tasha Yar, but that's the character's only gimmick, even back in TNG.

    Scotty and Bones was introduced as characters in the Devidian FE and TOS Starfleet missions and it is extremely likely that they died by 2409 due to the presence of the U.S.S. Montgomery Scott in Battle Group Omega and in the Path to 2409 lore and the U.S.S. McCoy in Starbase 24 Rescue.
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  • berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
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    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    Unless you are suggesting we time travel back in the Mirror Universe to a point where Mirror Garak is alive?

    Or Kelvin Garak (GaraK?) gets pulled into the MU, or Prime Garak sets up shop in the MU and is... doing whatever it is he did/n't do in the PU...
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  • centaurianalphacentaurianalpha Member Posts: 1,150 Arc User
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    definitely Garak...
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
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    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    Scotty and Bones was introduced as characters in the Devidian FE and TOS Starfleet missions and it is extremely likely that they died by 2409 due to the presence of the U.S.S. Montgomery Scott in Battle Group Omega and in the Path to 2409 lore and the U.S.S. McCoy in Starbase 24 Rescue.
    Yeah, but that was during a time travel mission.

    Unless you are suggesting we time travel back in the Mirror Universe to a point where Mirror Garak is alive?

    Time travel or Mirror Garak faking his death are both possibilities that STO can use. Of course, Mirror Garak would require Andrew Robinson and he seems more inclined to play Garak. Personally, I don't expect any mission involving iconic Cardassians until a Cardassian micro-faction is released.
    bergins wrote: »
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    Unless you are suggesting we time travel back in the Mirror Universe to a point where Mirror Garak is alive?

    Or Kelvin Garak (GaraK?) gets pulled into the MU, or Prime Garak sets up shop in the MU and is... doing whatever it is he did/n't do in the PU...

    It is a bit too early for Kelvin Garak since they have to introduce Kelvin Picard. Although, there is the problem that there might not be Kelvin Garak, Kelvin Picard, or the Kelvin version of any character in TNG, DS9, and Voyager due to how much the Kelvin Universe has changed compared to the Prime Universe.
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
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    Dukat that gives hugs.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    somtaawkhar wrote: »
    bergins wrote: »
    Elim Garak
    This.

    Garak is #1 Cardassian of all time.

    Damar and Dukat are dead, lets leave them there, even in the Mirror Universe.

    https://youtu.be/lhckuhUxcgA
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