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ironmako
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I used to like coming on the forums for varying reasons, mostly for game-play tips, advice on sets, kits ships etc, but now it seems to be full of people moaning about ridiculous things. A righteous moan is fine (graphics issues, bugs etc), but slating the game designers cos the free things they give you aren't quite as OP as you would like (or some other mental reason) makes you look like a complete spanner, on a public forum I might add.
I mean, take the winter event, its upon us once again, where we can earn fun items and useful items, all with currencies which are separate from your normal currencies (Zen, Dil, EC), and they are giving away yet another FREE T6 ship, and what have I being seeing in the forum? Complete botty-water comments such as:
"OMG Another breen ship? I don't like. I want something else!"
"urgh, another year another grind..."
"I don't want [insert here] free, I want [insert here], [insert here] and [insert here] free instead. And all Epic as well."
If you don't like the event, then DON'T PLAY IT. The ship is a T6 and it's FREE. "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth", as the saying goes. The games are supposed to be there for light-hearted fun, not for hardcore PvE'ing/PvP'ing. Do yo remember fun? it's when you do something with a smile on your face instead of raging about
Secondly, the Phoenix Lockboxes. Ooooh i've seen a lot of moaning on this, such as:
"It's a Dil sink"
"It's a scam/ripoff"
"i'll never get a UR/Epic..."
So STO decide to release a lockbox which contains sh*tloads of amazing items WHICH DOESN'T NEED A LOCKBOX KEY TO OPEN, and does everyone whoop with joy? No. Of course not. Even if the very worst, you only get 'uncommons', look at all the goodies there, even at the very worst, you can get lots of upgrade tokens, and ramp all your gear up WITHOUT costing you dil. Why is this a bad thing? I've got three toons now who have complete MkXIV ground & space gear thanks to the event! Lockboxes are the GAMBLING ASPECT to the game. THEY ARE NOT A GUARANTEE. To the players who have never bought a lockbox key: Do you think that when you open a lockbox, that your inventory suddenly fills with tons of treasure? Trust me, it doesn't. players who buy lockbox keys for millions of EC, or for Zen off the C-Store will tell you that you open one, and are given a tiny amount of Lobi, and something like an R&D pack or some modules, NOTHING MORE. With the Phoenix Lockboxes, you are actually GIVEN a choice of what prizes you want, again WHY IS THIS A BAD THING?
I think in future, when the devs have an idea about an event or something, they should instead put items in the CStore for a cheap price instead of giving them for free, cos every time they do, all people do is moan, instead of appreciating what they are gifted.
I mean, take the winter event, its upon us once again, where we can earn fun items and useful items, all with currencies which are separate from your normal currencies (Zen, Dil, EC), and they are giving away yet another FREE T6 ship, and what have I being seeing in the forum? Complete botty-water comments such as:
"OMG Another breen ship? I don't like. I want something else!"
"urgh, another year another grind..."
"I don't want [insert here] free, I want [insert here], [insert here] and [insert here] free instead. And all Epic as well."
If you don't like the event, then DON'T PLAY IT. The ship is a T6 and it's FREE. "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth", as the saying goes. The games are supposed to be there for light-hearted fun, not for hardcore PvE'ing/PvP'ing. Do yo remember fun? it's when you do something with a smile on your face instead of raging about
Secondly, the Phoenix Lockboxes. Ooooh i've seen a lot of moaning on this, such as:
"It's a Dil sink"
"It's a scam/ripoff"
"i'll never get a UR/Epic..."
So STO decide to release a lockbox which contains sh*tloads of amazing items WHICH DOESN'T NEED A LOCKBOX KEY TO OPEN, and does everyone whoop with joy? No. Of course not. Even if the very worst, you only get 'uncommons', look at all the goodies there, even at the very worst, you can get lots of upgrade tokens, and ramp all your gear up WITHOUT costing you dil. Why is this a bad thing? I've got three toons now who have complete MkXIV ground & space gear thanks to the event! Lockboxes are the GAMBLING ASPECT to the game. THEY ARE NOT A GUARANTEE. To the players who have never bought a lockbox key: Do you think that when you open a lockbox, that your inventory suddenly fills with tons of treasure? Trust me, it doesn't. players who buy lockbox keys for millions of EC, or for Zen off the C-Store will tell you that you open one, and are given a tiny amount of Lobi, and something like an R&D pack or some modules, NOTHING MORE. With the Phoenix Lockboxes, you are actually GIVEN a choice of what prizes you want, again WHY IS THIS A BAD THING?
I think in future, when the devs have an idea about an event or something, they should instead put items in the CStore for a cheap price instead of giving them for free, cos every time they do, all people do is moan, instead of appreciating what they are gifted.
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so yeah i want to see this again , as for those people who are whining? toughen up buttercup be glad you got what you got because cryptic didnt have to do this at all.
To Moan: complain or grumble, typically about something trivial. What I am doing is 'complaining'.
Spot on.
I snipped your post to make space, but I totally agree. I also blame Social media for turning the modern person into a rude, malignant, ungrateful troll. I myself was guilty on a number of occasions on making insults/flaming on Facebook to people i've never met, on subject-matter which wasn't of any real relevance to me. I actually quit all social media a month ago, and if i'm honest, i've never been happier.
I think as a species, we are the lowest form. Instead of appreciating what we have, we always want more, and abstaining from all responsibility at the same time.
Well that's the way the world is. But it would be false to assume that moaners, complainers and cynics are anywhere close to being a majority. Anger, irritation, Schadenfreude and disappointement or negative emotions in general are much stronger motivators for somebody to post on forums, facebook or other social media platforms than, say, satisfaction. If I was a dev at Cryptic I would much rather focus on numbers. And that's exactly what they do. Looking at people's wallets is a perfect indicator for customer satisfaction.
To summarize, the world is not as bad as it looks.
Nah, 'a rose by any other name...' Others are complaining too: it's just your holier-than-thou attitude that causes you to dismiss the complaints of others as 'trivial' (nice going there, buddy). You think your moan is elevated about the fray somehow, and that calling it 'complaining' lends you some sort of immunity against critique. Others, at least, gripe about something in-game (a ship they couldn't get, a prize they couldn't collect, etc.). But you? You're just 'moaning with a halo:' the worst kind.
Ah, so by your rationale, If I hold values that make me appreciate gifts and gratis-based stuff, that makes me "Holier than thou?" That kind of comment just shows us all that you are included in the pack of moaners, and you don't like the fact that I've called you out on it. Thankfully, it looks like my views are shared by most others, which means that you are in a minority, and if that minority is the moaning majority, then your comment just becomes laughable.
If having a "halo" means that I am someone who appreciates things in life, and not to "bite the hand that feeds me", Then I hope my halo is as bright and shiny as it can be.
I agree, I've tried to play a few MMO's and each one eventually leads to a point where you think "I've got to make a purchase". With STO, even the CC currency (Zen) is available to F2P players on the dil exchange! I've yet to come across another great MMO that does the same!
Don't get me wrong, i'm English, and we are experts when it comes to moaning and ranting, but even I have a point where unjustified moaning just becomes so painful that my intellect gets offended.
If I was a mod, i'd just be banning all those who are moaning about being given free things. Some people might think this extreme, but ultimately, filtering/screening your customer base increases the quality of retention and overall company/product reputation. IRL, I sell software, but I also can refuse to sell to some companies, as we do not take on companies who might procrastinate and not use our software. We only sell to those that we think will use it, as this means that we will get good reviews, recommendations referrals etc. STO should do the same, expel the wastrels, keep the loyal player-base.
No, the fact that you think your 'complaint' is valid and real, whilst you dismiss everyone else's as trivial and moaning, makes you 'holier than thou.' At least others don't come with the pretence of doing anything else than complaining.
Nah. You just bite everyone else's hand, is all. You're not just content with what you have: you're discontent with others. What separates you from the rest, though, is that others just do their regular complaining, whilst you, in a grandiose attempt to elevate yourself above everyone else, complain about others. Like the forum world has never seen that before.
Physician, heal thyself! "If you don't like someone's post, DON'T READ IT!"
A week ago, i bought 10 lockbox keys. On LB #7, I got the Sphere builder Dread. When the Phoenix LB was released, i bought 10 Phoenix LB's and opened them all at once. In that pack of 10, I got an Epic which I broke down to 2 UR's (as I have all the "Epic" ships) and got the Risian Crusier and the Voth ship. I still open the Phoenix LB's though as i'm upgrading lots of item's. No complaints from me. Now, if I got no ships and only commons, I would still be happy. Why? Cos it's FREE.
I might buy a stack of another 10 tonight and if I get another Epic, i'll deliberately break it down into commons and then I'll be sure to let you know
Be Nice, and you Get Nice.
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And that wholly disqualifies you as a moderator. See, a moderator, unlike you, doesn't try and superimpose his/her ideas on others. A moderator doesn't care whether someone complains about having missed an event, as long as said person doesn't violate the ToS. It fits your personality perfectly, though, that you so openly state you would censor everyone who finds other things important than you.
You sound like one of those career District Attorneys, who only ever takes on cases he thinks he can win, and then pats himself on the back for never having lost a case yet.
As for your alleged business acumen: it downright sucks, as those who complain are typically your loyal player base (they're the ones who care, the ones who feel invested in the game). Only sales matter, really.
This is the InterWebs. Where people moan all day long. To remind the rest of us they are still here. And reaffirm to themselves they are Important Persons Whose Every Idea Is Significant To the Human Race.
It's pretty much like giving someone a cattle prod and a bullhorn.
On a rather amusing note... here it comes... YOU are still carrying on too, LOL. So, careful where you're going with that argument.
As for the Phoenix boxes, I'm actually quite happy with all the Upgrades I got. I realize that doesn't fit your notion of wanting to lump me into your 'moaners' category as well; but what can I say? 'If you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.'
As I will yours. :P
Actually, I think the Phoenix box has been received overwhelmingly positive.
As for the Nebula, there was 1 guy complaining it had only 2 Tact consoles (but he got blasted by pretty much the entire the Science community). On a whole, I think the latest rounds of promotions have been received pretty well by the community.
Erm, it was me that started the discussion, so yeah, discussions normally work when the person that starts it remains in it for the duration. I now know that this is your first time on planet Earth, otherwise you would have a grasp of basic conversation skills, such as discussion processes that we humans use.
I'm confused. I make a point that basically says the rewards given and the frequency of events is amazing, and you've been arguing with me the whole way. Now you are saying that the rewards are great and that you are happy with them??? Which is it? Why are you here? You are now coming across as trolling. So by that i shall not respond to your posts, nothing you say is worth anything.
The tokens are still good AFTER the event ends, right? o.O
Oh, very much so. I grumbled about all sorts of stuff while in the army as a grunt, but it was some of the best I ever lived, even though it was cut short.
Your confusion is understandable. It stems from your erroneous, preconceived notion that I was allegedky butthurt over not getting an Epic token. Not that you actually bothered to back up your claim with any evidence, of course: disagreeing with you was reason enough for you to reach that conclusion. Now that you find out I'm actually quite happy with how the Phoenix boxes turned out for me, you're obviously confused. But that's squarely on you.
Simple fact is: I don't like haughty ppl who declare their own complaints to be above those of everyone else. You want to complain about other ppl?! Fine, do so; but you're still just complaining, like everyone else. And no, making a 'meta-complaint' changes nothing.
And, like I said, ppl have actually been rather positive of late about the new Promotions. So, maybe you need to stop focussing on the negative.
truth be told its just a pert of human nature, there have been people who are rude, malignant, ungrateful trolls ever since man set foot on the earth, Social media just makes it so their presents is more widely noticed.
its true that Instead of appreciating what we have, we always want more but that is just our ego's screaming to be satisfied.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
oooo I had the same quandary when i split my Epic token, The Voth was a given, but then I had the remaining token for the bug ship or the Risian Cruiser, but I took the crusier.
Funny thing, at ESD, i've seen lots of the new T5U's floating around, and most are Voth ships or Risian crusiers/corvettes, but i've not seen a single bug ship yet, so one would assume that the bug ship isn't as popular as initially thought...
I'm keeping my eye on this thread, as it potentially generates chances for a lot of arguments and negativity/Forum rules being broken - but keeping it open for now. Leave personal insults out of the discussion, keep it friendly, mature and civil. Thank you.
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Social Media made it worse, though, because ppl enjoy de facto anonymity there, meaning they can say pretty much everything they want with impunity. These are the STO forums, though, and ppl can, and *are* held accountable here.
True, but I have to give an opinion on this (as someone who's fast approaching middle-age), yes people moaned or griped, but there were social "inhibitors" or "unwritten rules" in life which people generally stuck by. This included things that you can and cannot say, and things that you can and cannot do. This also reflected on Social media when it was in its infancy. I joined Falseook in 2006, and it was a nice place to speak to friends, get in touch with long lost acquaintances and share memories etc. Now the social unwritten rules are no longer followed, and now its all viral/false stories designed to enrage/troll their readers, and trolls who dedicate lots of time in making people feel angry or miserable. Nobody comes off Falsebook feeling better than when they logged on, so what is the point of it?
If anything, they should change the name to "Antisocial media", then at least they will finally be saying something that is true.
Well i've got no secrets, I'm 35, so I am one of the few that knows what life was like before the global technological zombification occurred.
its funny that this also reflects in the Star Trek franchaise. in the original movies (and including Picard & Co on this) The crew had their occasional jokes & jibes, but it was VERY occasional, the rest of the time, they respected one another and acted like officers. When I watch the Kelvin version, the so-called "officers" behaved like whiny babies, back-chatting each other, always armed with satirical responses, Spock & Uhura choosing the worst, most inappropriate times to have a whinge about their relationship gripes etc, I mean, aren't they supposed to be OFFICERS? Shouldn't they be behaving professionally? I know that modern movies try to adapt to modern culture, but even in the army, officers would not be behaving like this.
If Star Trek Represents life, and we are currently in the Kelvin Timeline, then I kindly request that Q takes me back to the 23rd century