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  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 1,506 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Very nice looking ship, although I do agree that those nacelles are an unfortunate 'wart' on an otherwise great design. To me, it almost looks as if they're wanted to recreate the Vengence nacelles in a more 25th century form - but it doesn't really work on (what is basically) the Sovereign frame. Eitherway, those nacelles look as if they belong on something much larger.

    Still, they are thankfully (as has already been noted) interchangable and, from what I have seen, both the Imperial and the Regent nacelles actually suit the ship nicely.

    I wasn't actually going to buy it, as am not a huge fan of the Sovereign class design, but I'm probably going to cave in here as I do actually really like the Archon design (minus those daft nacelles which would swap for the Regent ones) and my Eng char would benefit from it.

    Welcome to the Sovereign Club Reyan :) We are having a special today on new members. Every new member gets a very nice drinking glass shaped like a joystick aka manual steering column :)
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Here's my effort:

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    Thanks for the multi-angles B) Are those raised cowlings part of the saucer, or secondary hull? They're something else I'll swap a part to remove B)
  • flumfflumf Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    Those images are a kitbash, the raised armor bits are from the Imperial skin as are the warp nacelles.
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  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    Destroyed? Let's not be a histrionic drama queen or anything. Can I offer you a fainting couch?
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Here's my effort:

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    Thanks for the multi-angles B) Are those raised cowlings part of the saucer, or secondary hull? They're something else I'll swap a part to remove B)

    This is a mix of Archon and Imperial, see above image or this link for details.
    http://i.imgur.com/b8430m3.jpg

    Yes, I'd seen the pic, my question is which portion of the ship are those raised cowls at the 'neck' part of? Hull or saucer? Arguably, I'll find out when I buy one in a few days (but dental bills gotts come first...) I'm just curious as to if I will need to swap the saucer, or the hull to eliminate their presence, because those cowls, for me, are a real 'deal-breaker'... B)
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Here's my effort:

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    SFjGiLy.jpg

    TarvuO3.jpg

    Thanks for the multi-angles B) Are those raised cowlings part of the saucer, or secondary hull? They're something else I'll swap a part to remove B)

    This is a mix of Archon and Imperial, see above image or this link for details.
    http://i.imgur.com/b8430m3.jpg

    Yes, I'd seen the pic, my question is which portion of the ship are those raised cowls at the 'neck' part of? Hull or saucer? Arguably, I'll find out when I buy one in a few days (but dental bills gotts come first...) I'm just curious as to if I will need to swap the saucer, or the hull to eliminate their presence, because those cowls, for me, are a real 'deal-breaker'... B)
    Part of the neck IIRC, from the Imperial class.
    So removable? B)

  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Here's my effort:

    KuHSBg9.jpg

    SFjGiLy.jpg

    TarvuO3.jpg

    Thanks for the multi-angles B) Are those raised cowlings part of the saucer, or secondary hull? They're something else I'll swap a part to remove B)

    This is a mix of Archon and Imperial, see above image or this link for details.
    http://i.imgur.com/b8430m3.jpg

    Yes, I'd seen the pic, my question is which portion of the ship are those raised cowls at the 'neck' part of? Hull or saucer? Arguably, I'll find out when I buy one in a few days (but dental bills gotts come first...) I'm just curious as to if I will need to swap the saucer, or the hull to eliminate their presence, because those cowls, for me, are a real 'deal-breaker'... B)
    Part of the neck IIRC, from the Imperial class.
    So removable? B)

    Yep - this particular model has a 'neck' option in the ship 'tailor'
    Phew... Them not being removable, would have made me not buy the ship... Thanks for the information B)

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    They don't destroy the models they keep it to auction off to the Star Trek nerds for ungodly sums years later. :)
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Yep definitely removeable, I like it with or without personally but it's one of the strong points of this ship that it is very customisable, providing you have the parts.
    Awesome, I definitely would have decided against it if they were a permanent feature... Absolutely, flexibility of customization is always a good thing B)
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    nikeix wrote: »
    "Includes many adults"? Right, because believing you're the sole decider of aesthetic value is so MATURE.

    I mean seriously, do you hear the things you say?

    Its not to your taste. GREAT. Put a different skin on it and get over yourself.

    You're entitled to your opinion as I (and a few others here evidently) are to theirs. Call me sole decider or not, but I did put a proposition that aesthetics do have boundaries when one thing starts to resemble something else so much so that it's unmistakable.

    Do I hear the things I'm saying? Yes, and I've got nothing to back down on since in my perception I see resemblances that cannot be denied.

    I get it, you're insulted I call it childish since you happen to like it. I take no problem that you like it, but my feedback is mine to make in desiring something different than you may happen to like in terms of artistic design choices.

    No, it most certainly is not to my taste, and to a few others here. I would surely kitbash it with the Regent and standard Sovereign, but that's another 2500 zen on top of 3000 zen + 500 zen FSM + fleet military provisions. 2500 zen on sale for a T6 ship that looks decent from the start is plenty expensive...expenses that somehow don't make their way into providing a more proper end-game STO to have something to do with these overpriced mounts to begin with.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    "Includes many adults"? Right, because believing you're the sole decider of aesthetic value is so MATURE.

    I mean seriously, do you hear the things you say?

    Its not to your taste. GREAT. Put a different skin on it and get over yourself.

    You're entitled to your opinion as I (and a few others here evidently) are to theirs. Call me sole decider or not, but I did put a proposition that aesthetics do have boundaries when one thing starts to resemble something else so much so that it's unmistakable.

    Do I hear the things I'm saying? Yes, and I've got nothing to back down on since in my perception I see resemblances that cannot be denied.

    I get it, you're insulted I call it childish since you happen to like it. I take no problem that you like it, but my feedback is mine to make in desiring something different than you may happen to like in terms of artistic design choices.

    No, it most certainly is not to my taste, and to a few others here. I would surely kitbash it with the Regent and standard Sovereign, but that's another 2500 zen on top of 3000 zen + 500 zen FSM + fleet military provisions. 2500 zen on sale for a T6 ship that looks decent from the start is plenty expensive...expenses that somehow don't make their way into providing a more proper end-game STO to have something to do with these overpriced mounts to begin with.
    Is it? When I bought the Valiant-Class, I'd never unlocked any of the Defiant-Class variants, but I still had the customizing options from them all (with the exception of the Sao-Paulo-Class) for free...

    I like the ship, but there are i) things I don't like about it (nacelles) and ii) things which would outright make me not buy it (neck cowls) if I couldn't remove them... Given my experience with the Valian-Class and the available options, I highly doubt that the Archon-Class is going to require purchase or unlock of other ships, in order to be customizable... If that's not the case, I'm flat out not buying it...
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User

    I don't know how much more glowy and exaggerated the sizes can get before most people will start to agree it looks less like a science fiction space ship meant for battle and exploration, and more like a kid toy found in happy meals or kinder surprises.

    When your other data point must presumably be the Excelsior refit I don't think this holds up at all. Here's some counter examples:

    Valiant
    Pathfinder
    Andromeda
    Hestia
    Yorktown
    Endeavour
    Sojourner
    Jupiter
    Arbiter
    Eclipse
    Phantom
    Scryer

    What you have here is simply a ship you don't like, not a campaign against your taste in science fiction (regardless of all else, there's simply no pattern.) If you don't like the Archon, use the Regent skin (it's pretty much the exact opposite, which may in fact be why Cryptic went this direction: more variation.) Don't have the Regent skin? Try Sovereign. Don't like that? Then why comment on this ship?

    Concorde
    Geneva
    Chronos
    Nautilus
    Resolute
    Ty'Gokor
    An'quat

    I don't like those either, and to me they all share this new design choice. I'm saying I don't like it, and to me it looks like children's toys because of the resemblance. From your list, I like and own most of them, and if they care for our feedback, would squeeze extra zen out of me. I can't use or kitbash the Regent skin without owning that ship to begin with which I don't.

    Why comment on this ship? Because I'm allowed to comment if freedom of speech and opinion hasn't been abolished yet, it is in response (agreement) to the OP, and I don't have to explain myself to you unless you're the new STO moderator who just made up your own T&C.
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    @marcusdkane
    I'd really like a clear answer on whether the Regent skin becomes unlocked or not with the purchase of T6 Sovereign.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    @marcusdkane
    I'd really like a clear answer on whether the Regent skin becomes unlocked or not with the purchase of T6 Sovereign.
    Likewise... I've not purchased or unlocked a Sovereign-Class... If the Archon-Class doesn't allow significant cusomizing, I won't be buying it... If it's anything like the Valiant-Class scenario, I suspect other options will be available... Even the Guardian-Class has two options for settings (except for the saucer... Only one saucer option...)
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    @marcusdkane
    I'd really like a clear answer on whether the Regent skin becomes unlocked or not with the purchase of T6 Sovereign.

    It absolutely does.

    I use the nacelles from the Regent on my kitbashed model and the Regent skin itself is an option.

    Sweet, thanks. I'm glad the model has something to fall back onto and kitbash with.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    @marcusdkane
    I'd really like a clear answer on whether the Regent skin becomes unlocked or not with the purchase of T6 Sovereign.

    It absolutely does.

    I use the nacelles from the Regent on my kitbashed model and the Regent skin itself is an option.
    Awesome... Sale still planned B)

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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    Here it is without the Imperial neck

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    Oh yes, much better (IMHO) Thanks for taking the time to share the example, it's very much appreciated B)
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  • kiloacekiloace Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    Personally, I'd have rather seen something inspired by the Perception

    http://www.wolfsshipyard.com/yards/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2852&view=next

    or Century-class starships.

    http://orig12.deviantart.net/e705/f/2014/032/3/f/century_class_by_admiral_horton-d74q5vg.png

    What we received is probably the biggest aesthetic disappointment for me since the Resolute.
  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    I'm pretty sure you could kit bash something very much like those since they represent miniscule alterations to the movie model.

    They worked on two skins at the same time - one intended as a picture perfect treatment of the movie ship done to their newer standards, and a ship that plainly exists as a thematic bridge between the STO universe's "today's state of the art" style and the 26th century ships.

    Fine, the 26c ships are not to everyone's taste, and I totally get that, but creating a visual continuity -- making your setting MAKE SENSE... yeah I get that a ton of Star Trek fans are terrifyingly dogmatic and if it ain't on the screen it's categorically wrong. That given an entire galaxy of progress they cluster around a grand total of maybe 90 minutes of visual effects shots and dread allowing all the other artists and writers that work in the Star Trek universe to express one shred of creativity... Me? I LIKE seeing consistent world building and in that light this ship is a great addition to the line up.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    People should also check out the Majestic Noble Hull with the Material 7. There is a lot more "glass" then usual for the other skins. Looks pretty nifty IMO.

    Also Excelsior fans might find a few interesting kitbashing options with the saucer/neck/hull selection to get the look closer to a continuation of the Excelsior line.

    Overall pretty neat what you can do now.
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  • steaensteaen Member Posts: 646 Arc User
    steaen wrote: »
    Here's my effort:

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    Looks good - which nacelles have you used?

    Here is the ship customisation window

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    Larger: http://i.imgur.com/b8430m3.jpg



    Thanks - I got mine yesterday (was waiting for the Intel Fleet version to be made available) and have gone for the entire Archon set-up with the exception of the nacelles where I've used the ones from the Regent, and I'm very happy with how it looks.
  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Picked up the Archon for giggles. The one thing I didn't like about it was easily corrected by swapping in Imperial pylons so the nacelles didn't look 'wilted' to me. Having a chance to look it over more closely the engineering hull is VERY Sojourner-like minus the two necks.

    Its a big step backward for most of my captains and while the ship trait may be useful once you go back to your 'real' ships, its garbage on the Archon itself (you only have 3 intel ability slots and they're competing for your only science slots, so pretty much yeah, no). Prefer my Fleet Eclipse and the Intel Dreadnought just kicks the snot out of it (unsurprising, being a 900 lobi beast).

    Oddly, it also has maybe the single worst T6 admiralty card I've ever seen. A bonus to tac and engineering when its alone... with a science of 16. There's almost no missions you'd want to send it on alone, and those that do have a science rating that low, you don't need the bonus. (change it to a bonus to tac & sci and it'd be pretty useful. Ah well...)

    Still, fun to see entire red alert maps filled with nothing but Sovereign variations :).

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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    Could it simply be a case of, ahem, 'Nacelle Envy' on the part of the OP? When I looked at the pics of the Archon, to me it looked like someone took a Resolute class to the gym and made it work out. The revamp of the mesh and the skin on the original Sovvy recently means I have an option for appearance should I buy one of these or the bundle.

    Annnd, because I have not yet seen anyone else post it here yet, where's my T6 Vor'cha? Fed players hoggin' the new ships all to themselves! Again! Devs unfair to KDF! Rabble-rabble-rabble! lol
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