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[Xbox One] Tholian Red Alert!

I can't tell if this event is severely bugged or just TRIBBLE. I have yet to be in one of these events and not have a couple people drop out almost immediately... and this is on normal difficulty. Normal difficulty! I quite literally usually die my first time within the first minute. You quite literally can't do much of anything except attempt to pick them off from the outside and work your way in... and that's if there isn't another squad just outside of them. My shields and hull armor are all geared towards tetryon attacks... and all at least at tier X. On normal, I should be surviving a lot longer than that.

After a minute or two, it just becomes Tholians spawn TRIBBLE everyone. Quite ridiculous, if you ask me... again, this is supposed to be normal difficulty...

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,656 Arc User
    No additional ships spawn except the low-level Terran ships from rifts.

    See this thread for some tips - http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1223708/tholian-red-alert-yikes

    It is the harder than the Borg red alert, especially for a new level 50 in a tier 5 ship.
  • hellcatx805#4438 hellcatx805 Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    I play on PS4 and I have two very different experiences in this alert. On my level 60 it's a less then 5 minute faceroll. On my level 51 alt I have yet to earn a single mark. The ships somehow always manage to get pulled to the spawn point and then it's just instant death.
  • xceptopecxceptopec Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    Former (and recently returned) PC player, and now XB1 player here.

    Red Alerts are not walks in the park, I do not expect any T5 to get through without at least a few respawns, and I doubt even the most heavily armoured and armed T6s can get through a Red Alert without getting destroyed.

    I went into one of these yesterday and within 3 seconds, my shields had been obliterated and I was respawning - par for the course. I'm using a T5 assault cruiser.

    You think the Tholian Red Alert is hard, just wait for the Crystalline Entity to return as a Red Alert (as opposed to Crystalline Cataclysm which is not one), they were insanely hard.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    xceptopec wrote: »

    Red Alerts are not walks in the park, I do not expect any T5 to get through without at least a few respawns, and I doubt even the most heavily armoured and armed T6s can get through a Red Alert without getting destroyed.

    I don't know how they are on the console, it might be different then on PC. But on PC the Red Alerts are so easy you can sleep through them. A well geared T6 ship can solo a Tholian Alert with little effort.

    Obviously, it's going to be tougher on lower level characters and characters without all the best consoles and traits, those make all the difference. If you're undergeared, the obvious solution is to wait at the spawn point for others and move together. Remember, the Red Alerts are designed as group content, they're not supposed to be taken on solo. It's possible, but it's not the intent. Rather solo or in a group, the best strategy is to start on the farthest outskirts and move in once you take out all the smaller ships. If you go straight for the 2 big ships in the middle and you don't have a solid build, you're going to die. Take them out in groups, don't move so far in that you get multiple groups on you and you should be just fine. You want to get it to where you can take on the big ships without them having the smaller ships to help. If you can take out the little ships, then you're home free.

    Again, haven't played on Console, but the PC Alert is nowhere near as hard as you make it sound.
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  • scottyh7scottyh7 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    I find it stupidly easy on Xbox but then to be fair I am a lvl 60 t5-u tac odyssey with full beam build
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,656 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    scottyh7 wrote: »
    I find it stupidly easy on Xbox but then to be fair I am a lvl 60 t5-u tac odyssey with full beam build

    Good point. As I mentioned in the other thread BFAW is the easiest way to break a Tholian web before it crushes you. Cannon Scatter Volley is better than nothing but nits only a small part of the web and beam overload and cannon rapid fire are useless.

    BFAW also works well against a bunch of zippy little Tholian ships. For CSV you need to pair it with a Gravity Well to clump them together.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,460 Arc User
    I can't tell if this event is severely bugged or just ****. I have yet to be in one of these events and not have a couple people drop out almost immediately... and this is on normal difficulty. Normal difficulty! I quite literally usually die my first time within the first minute. You quite literally can't do much of anything except attempt to pick them off from the outside and work your way in... and that's if there isn't another squad just outside of them. My shields and hull armor are all geared towards tetryon attacks... and all at least at tier X. On normal, I should be surviving a lot longer than that.

    After a minute or two, it just becomes Tholians spawn **** everyone. Quite ridiculous, if you ask me... again, this is supposed to be normal difficulty...

    "attempt to pick them off from the outside and work your way in" is how it's supposed to be done. Only someone highly geared and with great healing capability rushes into the middle of a swarm!

    Red Alerts are, or I should say, were mean't to be hard and yes, if you're not high-geared, expect to die a couple of times. There is nothing wrong with Tholian RA, it is working as intended.

    The issue here is that you are expecting everything to be a walk-over. It should rarely be so! Without something to challenge you, you'll never learn new tactics or strategy!
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,656 Arc User
    I remember going into Tholian RAs on PC in the free level 40 escort and mark X - XII gear. I died a lot :)

    It odes become a cakewalk with a T6 ship, ship mastery traits, better weapons and consoles.
  • deathbykarmadeathbykarma Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    The reward barely seems worth the hassle as marks can be gotten much easier ways.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,460 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    The reward barely seems worth the hassle as marks can be gotten much easier ways.

    The reward IS worth the hassle. You get for the first run in a 20 hour period Rom Marks, 2 Dil rewards (2 x 480), plus choice of Nuraka or Fleet Marks. In a well geared team, this is over with-in 5 minutes and there's the XP to boot, for when you're levelling ships.

    But really, you shouldn't be thinking "it's not worth the hassle". It's this thinking that leads to dead queues!! The main problem with STF's is people always go for minimum effort. Just look at CCA!
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • discojerdiscojer Member Posts: 533 Arc User
    It's probably the most rewarding single event in the game, for 10 minutes you get two types of marks, 960 dilithium, and a fair amount of xp.
  • razenove#1922 razenove Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    The only marks you get on console are Romulan.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    I can't tell if this event is severely bugged or just ****. I have yet to be in one of these events and not have a couple people drop out almost immediately... and this is on normal difficulty. Normal difficulty! I quite literally usually die my first time within the first minute. You quite literally can't do much of anything except attempt to pick them off from the outside and work your way in... and that's if there isn't another squad just outside of them. My shields and hull armor are all geared towards tetryon attacks... and all at least at tier X. On normal, I should be surviving a lot longer than that.

    After a minute or two, it just becomes Tholians spawn **** everyone. Quite ridiculous, if you ask me... again, this is supposed to be normal difficulty...

    So...you think this gameplay is bugged or **** because you are a moron who leeroy jenkins and then dies. Umm yeah...WTF.

    Leeeeeroy.... Jeeeeeenkins!!

    After all these years, that video still cracks me up.
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  • fflymaxsterlingfflymaxsterling Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    Again, I understand not everything should be a cakewalk... but everything labelled normal difficulty has been thus far. Obviously some of you are too full of yourselves to comprehend that. Either that or you've been playing it for so long that you forgot what it's like to start out and play it your first time. I play advanced difficulty on all missions and while I fail frequently, none of it comes close to being as difficult as this. Normal difficulty by it's own definition for the storylines, you can't die... so for someone that only plays advanced storyline and struggling that much is obviously going to wonder what is going on.

    Now I know, that storyline "normal" doesn't equal PvE "normal" doesn't equal Red Alert "normal". Got it.
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    So...you think this gameplay is bugged or **** because you are a moron who leeroy jenkins and then dies. Umm yeah...WTF.
    Leeroy Jenkins? Please show me where I said I played like that. 2850 posts and all you can do is fling an insult at the new console player that expected normal difficulty to be "normal". Nice. If you're gonna be a douche, go back to your shelf in the women's aisle.
    leemwatson wrote: »
    "attempt to pick them off from the outside and work your way in" is how it's supposed to be done. Only someone highly geared and with great healing capability rushes into the middle of a swarm!

    Red Alerts are, or I should say, were mean't to be hard and yes, if you're not high-geared, expect to die a couple of times. There is nothing wrong with Tholian RA, it is working as intended.

    The issue here is that you are expecting everything to be a walk-over. It should rarely be so! Without something to challenge you, you'll never learn new tactics or strategy!
    ... and that's all I really do is start attacking the Thorians furthest right and work my way across. Unfortunately, most of the players on Xbox don't comprehend that... but at least I did find a group of randoms who did finally understand that and finally won once. Of course, the next match while my clanmate and I clear out 75% of the Tholians and start attacking the larger ships... the other 3 are dicking around with one squad and we end up getting spawn TRIBBLE at the end.

    Again, I don't expect everything to be a walk-over... only things labeled as normal difficulty.
  • skullblits#4627 skullblits Member Posts: 1,273 Arc User
    we are highly advanced space people.
    but we keep warping in on a over run spawn point. logical.. lol
  • scottyh7scottyh7 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited October 2016
    Update... just acquired a defiant with battle cloak and now things get wrecked. Maybe bite the bullet and get a T6 or T5 ship. Makes end game a whole lot easier. Oh and Xbox doing an offer at the moment. Buy a t5 ship and they give you the upgrade token for free. Well they did on the 2 I purchased anyway
  • warlordfennellwarlordfennell Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    I can't tell if this event is severely bugged or just ****. I have yet to be in one of these events and not have a couple people drop out almost immediately... and this is on normal difficulty. Normal difficulty! I quite literally usually die my first time within the first minute. You quite literally can't do much of anything except attempt to pick them off from the outside and work your way in... and that's if there isn't another squad just outside of them. My shields and hull armor are all geared towards tetryon attacks... and all at least at tier X. On normal, I should be surviving a lot longer than that.

    After a minute or two, it just becomes Tholians spawn **** everyone. Quite ridiculous, if you ask me... again, this is supposed to be normal difficulty...

    If you are in a good fleet you can get 3.2k xp every 7 minutes which is the best xp around for end game atm for Xbox 1 I have found.
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  • jzhnutzjzhnutz Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    Not to fall into the name calling in this thread - I will say this: I am on PS4, when I queue on my main, lvl 60 Fed in a kelvin Intel Dreadnought, the TRA is a cake walk. Easily beat it every time in 4 minutes or less. On my level 59 Romulan, in a T5-U Scimitar, have yet to complete it. Part of me thinks the reason is level 60 players cannot queue with those below level 60 - we keep getting an error, and when making a private queue for a fleet event, it puts the level of the queue to level 60, so no one below level 60 can join.

    Personally, I am glad for the challenge - Crystalline Cataclysm became a quick joke... an east way to get marks for the day, just run it 4 times over a span of two hours on each character. TRA actually presents a challenge, especially to us players on console who don't have all of the items out yet on PC. It isn't easy - unless you get a good group that knows how to do it - pick off the small ships and keep moving in.
  • scottyh7scottyh7 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    Less of the generalisations about Xbox players please. I've already said I wreck this Tholian thing with total ease, so don't put us all in the same boat.
  • shard7777shard7777 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    I've attempted this alert three times and have failed it three times (Level 58, T-5U Ship). The first attempt our team didn't even take down one support group. The second attempt we took down one support group. Last night, we were able to take out all support groups (With only four player since one quit), but ran out of time before we could take out the Capital group.
  • fflymaxsterlingfflymaxsterling Member Posts: 33 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Let's see...you post a solution to the issue at hand and then COMPLAIN because...why again? Unless you are charging in head first into the tholians, you have a SOLUTION to the problem at hand and there should be no complaints. That leads me and other to believe that YOU are doing it wrong and then complaining. Had you not posted the solution to the problem at hand, we would have given you advice to start on the outside and work your way in. So yeah, you post does HIGHLY suggest that you were being a leeroy jenkins and then complaining about it. Learn logic before you spew off nonsense.

    Also if you console players are worse then PC players...WTF?!? Console players are SUPPOSE to be gamers right? And not the pool of "filthy casuals" we have on the PC. Seriously, you all couldn't figure this game out on day 1 of release? This game is stupid easy. Hard core gamers like you xbox1 players should have it figured out by then. The PS4 people seem to have...or are you saying that xbox1 players are noobs compared to PS4 player. Because everything you say tell me that you all just suck at this game...and if you can't handle this game...you all just suck at games period. You should just hang up gaming if you can't handle STO.
    ... and again... another douche response. If you knew logic, then you'd understand normal difficulty is misleading. But your head is so far up your TRIBBLE to see the light. Either that or your inflated ego won't allow you to see around it.

    Please go back to hanging out with the rest of your feminine hygiene products and refrain from posting in threads if you're not going to be of any help whatsoever. Logic would dictate that if you're gonna be no help, then just stfu. Just flush yourself and get rid of that chip on your shoulder. I think your PMS is kicking into overdrive. That whole second paragraph is you being a douche and spewing off nonsense. Perhaps your "logic" doesn't exist because you just made yourself out to sound like a bigger idiot than me.

    Labeling this as "normal" is misleading. Yes it obviously gets easier with better gear. That's just common sense. As others have pointed out in this thread, it's easy if you're a level 60. It's also been stated that it's more difficult if you're below level 60, which I am... and if there is issues with level 60s playing with anyone below, then that might explain our fleet's issues with trying to team up and get into one. Kept not allowing us... and would therefore be bugged...



  • quebraregraquebraregra Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    Again, I understand not everything should be a cakewalk... but everything labelled normal difficulty has been thus far. Obviously some of you are too full of yourselves to comprehend that. Either that or you've been playing it for so long that you forgot what it's like to start out and play it your first time. I play advanced difficulty on all missions and while I fail frequently, none of it comes close to being as difficult as this. Normal difficulty by it's own definition for the storylines, you can't die... so for someone that only plays advanced storyline and struggling that much is obviously going to wonder what is going on.

    Now I know, that storyline "normal" doesn't equal PvE "normal" doesn't equal Red Alert "normal". Got it.
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    So...you think this gameplay is bugged or **** because you are a moron who leeroy jenkins and then dies. Umm yeah...WTF.
    Leeroy Jenkins? Please show me where I said I played like that. 2850 posts and all you can do is fling an insult at the new console player that expected normal difficulty to be "normal". Nice. If you're gonna be a douche, go back to your shelf in the women's aisle.
    leemwatson wrote: »
    "attempt to pick them off from the outside and work your way in" is how it's supposed to be done. Only someone highly geared and with great healing capability rushes into the middle of a swarm!

    Red Alerts are, or I should say, were mean't to be hard and yes, if you're not high-geared, expect to die a couple of times. There is nothing wrong with Tholian RA, it is working as intended.

    The issue here is that you are expecting everything to be a walk-over. It should rarely be so! Without something to challenge you, you'll never learn new tactics or strategy!
    ... and that's all I really do is start attacking the Thorians furthest right and work my way across. Unfortunately, most of the players on Xbox don't comprehend that... but at least I did find a group of randoms who did finally understand that and finally won once. Of course, the next match while my clanmate and I clear out 75% of the Tholians and start attacking the larger ships... the other 3 are dicking around with one squad and we end up getting spawn **** at the end.

    Again, I don't expect everything to be a walk-over... only things labeled as normal difficulty.

    It's pretty bad with PUGs on console. I start on the edges and clear out the 75%, the rest of the idiots fly in and proceed to be blow'd up continually until they drop out, by the time I get to the cap ships, the timer expires. F#*^ TIMER!!! I could solo it if there was enuff time.
  • hellcatx805#4438 hellcatx805 Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    Yeah the first time I ran this I flew right up the middle and I'm pretty sure my BFAW aggro'd every ship on the map lol. That didn't go so well. Now I just head out to the right and nail them from the perimeter. Like I said earlier on my level 60 Fed Kelvin Dreadnought it's pretty much a cake walk but on my level 51 T5-U Odyssey tac cruiser I've never completed it.
  • hellcatx805#4438 hellcatx805 Member Posts: 37 Arc User
    And seeing as how I can't find a fleet that actually talks to one another I pug everything.
  • scottyh7scottyh7 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    I didn't even know you could fail. Never seen it happen. I guess my tac odyssey build must just be much more powerful. My new valiant cannon build is even more powerful. I recorded a clip earlier on Xbox of the quantum warhead module torpedo doing 121,000 damage in one yellow number lol
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