the earth POI being on every gate isn't the show's fault - they cannot create a different gate prop EVERY time they want to create a new world - the cost would be beyond measure
though, i don't understand why, to avoid that, they didn't just design the prop so the glyphs could be detached - then they could've just used that single gate prop and swap out points of origin as needed for the scene
or just make it a pure CGI creation - that would've been an even better solution
No, you misunderstand me - prior to Universe, POO duplication could be written off as exactly the thing you said. Then Universe comes along, saying that every Milky Way gate does in fact have the Earth Alpha POO on it.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I think we need to establish some guidelines if this debate is to continue, as the lines are getting blurred.
Sea Trek is the version with no fantastical elements, it's just an age of sail show.
Fantasy Trek (someone please give it a better name!) is the one that substitutes magic for sci-fi.
@dalolorn
Yes, I know mental abilities are common in sci-fi, but they usually give a reason.
Like it's a natural ability of a species or their brain has additional neural tissue/heightened mental capacity to grant them their powers.
In a Cage of Butterflies, Mikki is discussing Myriam's telepathic abilities with Susan while looking at the girl's brain catscan. She observes that the portion of the brain which is normally restricted to the base has expanded up into the cranium fissure and therefore, this is what grants her the ability to broadcast her mental impressions to other people, also stating that if it wasn't a normal brain structure in the first place, then Myriam would in effect be doing the telepathic equivalent of talking to a deaf person, their normal brains just wouldn't have the means to receive what she sends out.
In the case of Star Trek, I speculated that the unusual shape of an Ocampan's ears is because they have so much neural tissue, it has expanded to outside their skull. If this is true, it would mean the sides of their head are anatomical weak spots, because it means that a portion of their brain is unprotected by their cranium, unless they have something around the extrusion to shield it from harm.
As far as I know, with the exception of midiclorians, which was "conveniently forgotten" because it wasn't received well, Star Wars has never offered a reason as to the existence of the Force, making them just your average spellcasters.
@dareau
Yes, I did comprehend the substution concept.
But even so, it would be too careful to offend a true sci-fi fan if you use that as your reasoning for why they should be just as invested in your fantasy franchise as they are their sci-fi one, because "fiction is fiction" and it's "all the same".
From my perspective, because the writing rules are different, this does make them different genres, they aren't the same at all.
Also, another thing that is irking me is that iTunes and Steam won't make the distinction, so I have to spend ages scrolling through dozens of fantasy franchises to find the sci-fi ones, just because they weren't given their own separate categories.
Some of the things we took for sci-fi at the time ended up being real things, we have mobile phones, tablets, robots. So that could make that sci-fi more relatable, because it might be possible.
And it looks like forcefields are the next thing to become factual: Magnetic forcefield Plasma forcefield
I think the chevron issue is why Stargate Atlantis switched to a digital gate, it's easier to change the patterns on the equivalent of a digital display rather then a prop with a solid engraved ring.
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Actually, midichlorians have since been determined to be an indicator rather than a source of Force sensitivity. Also, Star Trek has never bothered to explain a variety of things including Vulcan telepathy.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
The only data I have on the Vulcan mental abilities is that when the Romulans split from the Vulcans, the Mindmasters elected to stay on Vulcan, thus preventing the Romulans from ever having mental powers.
Which would imply a genetic source, that the abilities were passed from offspring to offspring over generations.
Whether or not this is canon, I am uncertain.
I did find one reference that explains exactly how Betazoids get their power: Paracortex
So based on this example, I can assume any Trek species with mental abilities has some kind of specific neural structure.
Since half Vulcans like Spock or half Betazoids like Deanna have these abilities, that does suggest that it is genetic, therefore can be passed from parent to offspring via heredity.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Actually, midichlorians have since been determined to be an indicator rather than a source of Force sensitivity. Also, Star Trek has never bothered to explain a variety of things including Vulcan telepathy.
The sad thing about midichlorians was that they were trying to explain something that didn't need an explanation. The Force was always a message of spiritual faith versus technological dependence, hence Kenobi telling Luke to use the Force instead of the targeting computer. With the prequels George Lucas had apparently shifted away from spirituality and felt the Force needed some science behind it, which just undermines the original message.
The only data I have on the Vulcan mental abilities is that when the Romulans split from the Vulcans, the Mindmasters elected to stay on Vulcan, thus preventing the Romulans from ever having mental powers.
Which would imply a genetic source, that the abilities were passed from offspring to offspring over generations.
Whether or not this is canon, I am uncertain.
I did find one reference that explains exactly how Betazoids get their power: Paracortex
So based on this example, I can assume any Trek species with mental abilities has some kind of specific neural structure.
Since half Vulcans like Spock or half Betazoids like Deanna have these abilities, that does suggest that it is genetic, therefore can be passed from parent to offspring via heredity.
I'm not sure if it is on screen canon, but I think there is some mention in the novels and stuff that the Romulans engaged in some genetic modifications over their history to rid themselves of certain things like Pon'farr. Perhaps if this is accurate then they might have nullified their psychic potential in the process.
Neither explanation for Romulan non-telepathy is hard canon. They're both from various soft-canon sources that are probably in conflict with each other.
As for the paracortex... having watched that episode before, I can tell you that it goes into just about as many details as Memory Alpha - little to nothing.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Yes, it doesn't go into much detail, but it gives us an insight into how mental powers work in Star Trek.
I assume Vorta have a similar brain extension in their chest, since that's where their psychokinetic blast is projected from.
But that appears to have been forgotten over time, since no Vorta has ever used this ability aside from the first episode where they appear.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
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No, you misunderstand me - prior to Universe, POO duplication could be written off as exactly the thing you said. Then Universe comes along, saying that every Milky Way gate does in fact have the Earth Alpha POO on it.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Sea Trek is the version with no fantastical elements, it's just an age of sail show.
Fantasy Trek (someone please give it a better name!) is the one that substitutes magic for sci-fi.
@dalolorn
Yes, I know mental abilities are common in sci-fi, but they usually give a reason.
Like it's a natural ability of a species or their brain has additional neural tissue/heightened mental capacity to grant them their powers.
In a Cage of Butterflies, Mikki is discussing Myriam's telepathic abilities with Susan while looking at the girl's brain catscan. She observes that the portion of the brain which is normally restricted to the base has expanded up into the cranium fissure and therefore, this is what grants her the ability to broadcast her mental impressions to other people, also stating that if it wasn't a normal brain structure in the first place, then Myriam would in effect be doing the telepathic equivalent of talking to a deaf person, their normal brains just wouldn't have the means to receive what she sends out.
In the case of Star Trek, I speculated that the unusual shape of an Ocampan's ears is because they have so much neural tissue, it has expanded to outside their skull. If this is true, it would mean the sides of their head are anatomical weak spots, because it means that a portion of their brain is unprotected by their cranium, unless they have something around the extrusion to shield it from harm.
As far as I know, with the exception of midiclorians, which was "conveniently forgotten" because it wasn't received well, Star Wars has never offered a reason as to the existence of the Force, making them just your average spellcasters.
@dareau
Yes, I did comprehend the substution concept.
But even so, it would be too careful to offend a true sci-fi fan if you use that as your reasoning for why they should be just as invested in your fantasy franchise as they are their sci-fi one, because "fiction is fiction" and it's "all the same".
From my perspective, because the writing rules are different, this does make them different genres, they aren't the same at all.
Also, another thing that is irking me is that iTunes and Steam won't make the distinction, so I have to spend ages scrolling through dozens of fantasy franchises to find the sci-fi ones, just because they weren't given their own separate categories.
Some of the things we took for sci-fi at the time ended up being real things, we have mobile phones, tablets, robots. So that could make that sci-fi more relatable, because it might be possible.
And it looks like forcefields are the next thing to become factual:
Magnetic forcefield
Plasma forcefield
I think the chevron issue is why Stargate Atlantis switched to a digital gate, it's easier to change the patterns on the equivalent of a digital display rather then a prop with a solid engraved ring.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Which would imply a genetic source, that the abilities were passed from offspring to offspring over generations.
Whether or not this is canon, I am uncertain.
I did find one reference that explains exactly how Betazoids get their power:
Paracortex
So based on this example, I can assume any Trek species with mental abilities has some kind of specific neural structure.
Since half Vulcans like Spock or half Betazoids like Deanna have these abilities, that does suggest that it is genetic, therefore can be passed from parent to offspring via heredity.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
The sad thing about midichlorians was that they were trying to explain something that didn't need an explanation. The Force was always a message of spiritual faith versus technological dependence, hence Kenobi telling Luke to use the Force instead of the targeting computer. With the prequels George Lucas had apparently shifted away from spirituality and felt the Force needed some science behind it, which just undermines the original message.
I'm not sure if it is on screen canon, but I think there is some mention in the novels and stuff that the Romulans engaged in some genetic modifications over their history to rid themselves of certain things like Pon'farr. Perhaps if this is accurate then they might have nullified their psychic potential in the process.
As for the paracortex... having watched that episode before, I can tell you that it goes into just about as many details as Memory Alpha - little to nothing.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I assume Vorta have a similar brain extension in their chest, since that's where their psychokinetic blast is projected from.
But that appears to have been forgotten over time, since no Vorta has ever used this ability aside from the first episode where they appear.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad