The new show, It's a big gamble, I bet a bunch of people subscribe hoping for the best, BUT how many let there subscriptions lapse after the first few episodes ? That'll be the interesting thing to watch.
Right now, I've NEVER seen more of a gamble on the franchise, like Discovery represents.
. A ship design that almost defies Trek, but here, let's slap a saucer and a couple of nacelles on it....(then shouts) LOOK EVERYONE IT'S STAR TREK !
. The focus on a lower ranking character? I dunno, It's never been done before. It's a new formula to be sure.
. That CBS all access thing, limiting the fan base by those willing or even able to subscribe?
I'm not saying any one of these things are a fail in of themselves, but you have to admit, it's one big hellava gamble.
I'm praying it will pay off.
Your right its a huge gamble. And it might turn around and bite them good for it too. I can kinda get by with the ship, as long it has TOS features to make it of that era. Showing whats it like as a Lt or a lower ranking officer. I can go with that. As it will give us all a different view of things. Perhaps more of the life of that person as they go day to day kinda way.
If it wasn't for the stupid PPV pay wall, I would watch it. But that knocked me out. When I can go to the CW and watch my other shows I like on TV or stream it all for free. Provided by my cable provider at no extra cost.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
And, I'm sorry, but nothing in this world is "for free." You don't get Star Trek for free, and you never have, and you never will.
I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
And, I'm sorry, but nothing in this world is "for free." You don't get Star Trek for free, and you never have, and you never will.
I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
That's just semantics, and you know it! No one has ever had to pay more than their regular 'TV Hookup' (whatever that may be) to watch any Star Trek Series (films, yes, but not TV series) That is a fact, and nothing you say can change that. What CBS are now doing, is putting an additional cost, on top of a person's existinv TV Hookup. They are doing this, because they can and because they know that there are fans of the franchise who will be willing to pay to get their fix... As I said upthread, it's fish-hooking the fan-base and relying on franchise popularity to draw people to their subscription service... No, the cost is not much, but it's the principle which has got folks ticked off about it...
And, I'm sorry, but nothing in this world is "for free." You don't get Star Trek for free, and you never have, and you never will.
I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
That's just semantics, and you know it! No one has ever had to pay more than their regular 'TV Hookup' (whatever that may be) to watch any Star Trek Series (films, yes, but not TV series) That is a fact, and nothing you say can change that. What CBS are now doing, is putting an additional cost, on top of a person's existinv TV Hookup. They are doing this, because they can and because they know that there are fans of the franchise who will be willing to pay to get their fix... As I said upthread, it's fish-hooking the fan-base and relying on franchise popularity to draw people to their subscription service... No, the cost is not much, but it's the principle which has got folks ticked off about it...
You pay by watching ads. You pay by paying the cable company. All Access is just taking out the middle man.
And, @jonsills, Bryan Fuller apparently mentioned Section 31 by name at the press event this week. Granted, it's not a stone-cold lock that 31 WILL appear, but I don't think it's an accident.
And, I'm sorry, but nothing in this world is "for free." You don't get Star Trek for free, and you never have, and you never will.
I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
That's just semantics, and you know it! No one has ever had to pay more than their regular 'TV Hookup' (whatever that may be) to watch any Star Trek Series (films, yes, but not TV series) That is a fact, and nothing you say can change that. What CBS are now doing, is putting an additional cost, on top of a person's existinv TV Hookup. They are doing this, because they can and because they know that there are fans of the franchise who will be willing to pay to get their fix... As I said upthread, it's fish-hooking the fan-base and relying on franchise popularity to draw people to their subscription service... No, the cost is not much, but it's the principle which has got folks ticked off about it...
You pay by watching ads. You pay by paying the cable company. All Access is just taking out the middle man.
I don't have a beef with watching ads, or even paying a basic TV Hookup. I do have beef with then paying another subscription on top of that...
And, I'm sorry, but nothing in this world is "for free." You don't get Star Trek for free, and you never have, and you never will.
I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
That's just semantics, and you know it! No one has ever had to pay more than their regular 'TV Hookup' (whatever that may be) to watch any Star Trek Series (films, yes, but not TV series) That is a fact, and nothing you say can change that. What CBS are now doing, is putting an additional cost, on top of a person's existinv TV Hookup. They are doing this, because they can and because they know that there are fans of the franchise who will be willing to pay to get their fix... As I said upthread, it's fish-hooking the fan-base and relying on franchise popularity to draw people to their subscription service... No, the cost is not much, but it's the principle which has got folks ticked off about it...
You pay by watching ads. You pay by paying the cable company. All Access is just taking out the middle man.
I don't have a beef with watching ads, or even paying a basic TV Hookup. I do have beef with then paying another subscription on top of that...
It's not ideal, sure. Personally, I'm not thrilled that there isn't an ad-free subscription available (as of now, anyway). That will likely mean that I will not keep an All Access sub year-round.
We know the show will be released weekly. We know it will premiere in January 2017. We know it will be a 13-episode season. So, if you subscribe from January to May, you're talking about paying $30 to watch a show... AT MAXIMUM. At the very least, you'll pay $6... if anything at all, given CBS' setup for a free trial. Even in that instance, you'd still "pay" by watching the ads, which is likely why CBS has such an option.
I just see far too much of "I'm not paying, so...", which is the code of the self-entitled millennial generation that really means "I'm pirating it." (I know this, because I am a part of that generation, LOL... Shoot, I used the OG Napster in the early 2000s, LOL). I don't buy this narrative of CBS issuing this "draconian notion of unreasonable proportions." You don't have to give up your first born to watch this new show. You won't even have to give up an entire paycheck, if you don't want to. Entertainment is not a right.
(To me, this is very similar to the garbage Alec Peters tries to spew, by the way. There's a lot of overlap, and I can't stand it, LOL.)
And, I'm sorry, but nothing in this world is "for free." You don't get Star Trek for free, and you never have, and you never will.
I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
That's just semantics, and you know it! No one has ever had to pay more than their regular 'TV Hookup' (whatever that may be) to watch any Star Trek Series (films, yes, but not TV series) That is a fact, and nothing you say can change that. What CBS are now doing, is putting an additional cost, on top of a person's existinv TV Hookup. They are doing this, because they can and because they know that there are fans of the franchise who will be willing to pay to get their fix... As I said upthread, it's fish-hooking the fan-base and relying on franchise popularity to draw people to their subscription service... No, the cost is not much, but it's the principle which has got folks ticked off about it...
You pay by watching ads. You pay by paying the cable company. All Access is just taking out the middle man.
I don't have a beef with watching ads, or even paying a basic TV Hookup. I do have beef with then paying another subscription on top of that...
It's not ideal, sure. Personally, I'm not thrilled that there isn't an ad-free subscription available (as of now, anyway). That will likely mean that I will not keep an All Access sub year-round.
We know the show will be released weekly. We know it will premiere in January 2017. We know it will be a 13-episode season. So, if you subscribe from January to May, you're talking about paying $30 to watch a show... AT MAXIMUM. At the very least, you'll pay $6... if anything at all, given CBS' setup for a free trial. Even in that instance, you'd still "pay" by watching the ads, which is likely why CBS has such an option.
I just see far too much of "I'm not paying, so...", which is the code of the self-entitled millennial generation that really means "I'm pirating it." (I know this, because I am a part of that generation, LOL... Shoot, I used the OG Napster in the early 2000s, LOL). I don't buy this narrative of CBS issuing this "draconian notion of unreasonable proportions." You don't have to give up your first born to watch this new show. You won't even have to give up an entire paycheck, if you don't want to. Entertainment is not a right.
(To me, this is very similar to the garbage Alec Peters tries to spew, by the way. There's a lot of overlap, and I can't stand it, LOL.)
Like I said, no Trek Series has cost money beyond regular TV Hookup to view. It doesn't matter if the cost is $30 or .30c, the point is, Trek Series' have never cost the viewer extra to watch. CBS is using a new Trek series as a bait to get people into their subscription service. No, entertainment isn't a right for consumers, nor is it a right for CBS to lure people to a service they would otherwise not pay for...
And, I'm sorry, but nothing in this world is "for free." You don't get Star Trek for free, and you never have, and you never will.
I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
That's just semantics, and you know it! No one has ever had to pay more than their regular 'TV Hookup' (whatever that may be) to watch any Star Trek Series (films, yes, but not TV series) That is a fact, and nothing you say can change that. What CBS are now doing, is putting an additional cost, on top of a person's existinv TV Hookup. They are doing this, because they can and because they know that there are fans of the franchise who will be willing to pay to get their fix... As I said upthread, it's fish-hooking the fan-base and relying on franchise popularity to draw people to their subscription service... No, the cost is not much, but it's the principle which has got folks ticked off about it...
You pay by watching ads. You pay by paying the cable company. All Access is just taking out the middle man.
I don't have a beef with watching ads, or even paying a basic TV Hookup. I do have beef with then paying another subscription on top of that...
It's not ideal, sure. Personally, I'm not thrilled that there isn't an ad-free subscription available (as of now, anyway). That will likely mean that I will not keep an All Access sub year-round.
We know the show will be released weekly. We know it will premiere in January 2017. We know it will be a 13-episode season. So, if you subscribe from January to May, you're talking about paying $30 to watch a show... AT MAXIMUM. At the very least, you'll pay $6... if anything at all, given CBS' setup for a free trial. Even in that instance, you'd still "pay" by watching the ads, which is likely why CBS has such an option.
I just see far too much of "I'm not paying, so...", which is the code of the self-entitled millennial generation that really means "I'm pirating it." (I know this, because I am a part of that generation, LOL... Shoot, I used the OG Napster in the early 2000s, LOL). I don't buy this narrative of CBS issuing this "draconian notion of unreasonable proportions." You don't have to give up your first born to watch this new show. You won't even have to give up an entire paycheck, if you don't want to. Entertainment is not a right.
(To me, this is very similar to the garbage Alec Peters tries to spew, by the way. There's a lot of overlap, and I can't stand it, LOL.)
Like I said, no Trek Series has cost money beyond regular TV Hookup to view. It doesn't matter if the cost is $30 or .30c, the point is, Trek Series' have never cost the viewer extra to watch. CBS is using a new Trek series as a bait to get people into their subscription service. No, entertainment isn't a right for consumers, nor is it a right for CBS to lure people to a service they would otherwise not pay for...
We'll agree to disagree here, because we're starting to go around in circles.
The apple cart wasn't upset until the advent of streaming media over the Internet, but you have paid for Trek. Always.
If you watched in the 60s, 70s, or 80s, that looked like ad-watching (if you have ever bought something based on an ad you saw while watching Trek, congrats, you payed money to watch Trek). If you watched in the 90s, you likely watched on cable, which requires a monthly subscription in which you pay a lump sum per month for a load of content you'll likely never watch.
CBS may be guilty of jumping the gun on this streaming model, I will grant you that. Only time will tell.
But you have ALWAYS paid for Trek. It is not "free."
marcusdkane is right. Why would someone pay extra to see 1 show. CBS has other shows I don't care to watch on their PPV line up. Then why should I pay. When I'm already paying for channels with internet. Specially when their competitors has shows you can also see on their own site to stream. If you are having issues watching it on TV.
If CBS wanted you to stream the new Trek series. Then it should not cost extra. This is what I'm mad about. In this case, I rather watch other shows and don't bother with them.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Or the fact that's its only in NA that you have to buy CBS all access.. while everyone else gets it through Netflix... another double standard. Why don't NA viewers have the options to watching it through Netflix?
This is pure greed on CBS's as well alienating the viewer base the put Star Trek on the map.. It's like hey thanks for all your years of loyal support... as a reward we are going to charge you for less content then Netflix for about the same amount.
Again if we the Star Trek fans that are playing a game of Star Trek can't agree on CBS pay wall what makes you think that its going to do well with more casual fans?
Folks who get it at Starbucks or some similar overpriced coffeeshop. Personally, I find the corner gas station hear produces a brew superior to Starbucks at less than a quarter the price - and of course I can make it at home even cheaper...
OTOH, Netflix is what, $8 a month or so? If you're subbing just for TRIBBLE, you're getting soaked worse by them than by CBS. (And if you're not, well, CBS All Access does provide access to most of what CBS has made over the years, so it's still a comparable product at a lower price.)
@artan42 when I wear black leather it's not a uniform...
@mhall85 I really wish they don't. At this point S31 slowly becomes the main point of Star Trek, one could very well rename the show. Whenever you need anything happen it was S31, it's becoming the Iconians of the shows. Putting aside that I don't like the concept of shady shadow ops that do everything to "protect" the UFP and make the entirety of Trek a farce in the process I'd hate on any plot that gets so drawn out. If they have the glorius idea to include the temporal writing desaster of the cold war or Borg I'd be equally put off.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
And, I'm sorry, but nothing in this world is "for free." You don't get Star Trek for free, and you never have, and you never will.
I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
That's just semantics, and you know it! No one has ever had to pay more than their regular 'TV Hookup' (whatever that may be) to watch any Star Trek Series (films, yes, but not TV series) That is a fact, and nothing you say can change that. What CBS are now doing, is putting an additional cost, on top of a person's existinv TV Hookup. They are doing this, because they can and because they know that there are fans of the franchise who will be willing to pay to get their fix... As I said upthread, it's fish-hooking the fan-base and relying on franchise popularity to draw people to their subscription service... No, the cost is not much, but it's the principle which has got folks ticked off about it...
You pay by watching ads. You pay by paying the cable company. All Access is just taking out the middle man.
I don't have a beef with watching ads, or even paying a basic TV Hookup. I do have beef with then paying another subscription on top of that...
It's not ideal, sure. Personally, I'm not thrilled that there isn't an ad-free subscription available (as of now, anyway). That will likely mean that I will not keep an All Access sub year-round.
We know the show will be released weekly. We know it will premiere in January 2017. We know it will be a 13-episode season. So, if you subscribe from January to May, you're talking about paying $30 to watch a show... AT MAXIMUM. At the very least, you'll pay $6... if anything at all, given CBS' setup for a free trial. Even in that instance, you'd still "pay" by watching the ads, which is likely why CBS has such an option.
I just see far too much of "I'm not paying, so...", which is the code of the self-entitled millennial generation that really means "I'm pirating it." (I know this, because I am a part of that generation, LOL... Shoot, I used the OG Napster in the early 2000s, LOL). I don't buy this narrative of CBS issuing this "draconian notion of unreasonable proportions." You don't have to give up your first born to watch this new show. You won't even have to give up an entire paycheck, if you don't want to. Entertainment is not a right.
(To me, this is very similar to the garbage Alec Peters tries to spew, by the way. There's a lot of overlap, and I can't stand it, LOL.)
Like I said, no Trek Series has cost money beyond regular TV Hookup to view. It doesn't matter if the cost is $30 or .30c, the point is, Trek Series' have never cost the viewer extra to watch. CBS is using a new Trek series as a bait to get people into their subscription service. No, entertainment isn't a right for consumers, nor is it a right for CBS to lure people to a service they would otherwise not pay for...
We'll agree to disagree here, because we're starting to go around in circles.
The apple cart wasn't upset until the advent of streaming media over the Internet, but you have paid for Trek. Always.
If you watched in the 60s, 70s, or 80s, that looked like ad-watching (if you have ever bought something based on an ad you saw while watching Trek, congrats, you payed money to watch Trek). If you watched in the 90s, you likely watched on cable, which requires a monthly subscription in which you pay a lump sum per month for a load of content you'll likely never watch.
CBS may be guilty of jumping the gun on this streaming model, I will grant you that. Only time will tell.
But you have ALWAYS paid for Trek. It is not "free."
I'm British. Here, we pay a TV licence fee (to view anything) So while it's true that we pay a lump sum for content we never watch, we have to pay that sum if we want to watch anything. Star Trek has always been shown in the UK on terrestrial TV, so as I said, we never had to 'pay extra' to watch it. Sky carried the episodes several seasons ahead. When I was growing up, my parents didn't have Sky (they still don't) but I do now pay a Sky subscription... I don't have a Netflix subscription, and I don't watch enough films to warrant taking out a subscription. But even if I did, I would still be being forced to pay an additional subscription (Netflix) to watch the content of a series, which historically, was always viewable at no extra cost beyond the TV license fee which everyone has to pay.
I'm happy to agree to disagree, because as you say, it's getting cyclical, but can you see the point I am making?
@artan42 when I wear black leather it's not a uniform...
Well this took a sideways leap into something else...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Well this took a sideways leap into something else...
That's enitrely on you
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm British. Here, we pay a TV licence fee (to view anything) So while it's true that we pay a lump sum for content we never watch, we have to pay that sum if we want to watch anything. Star Trek has always been shown in the UK on terrestrial TV, so as I said, we never had to 'pay extra' to watch it. Sky carried the episodes several seasons ahead. When I was growing up, my parents didn't have Sky (they still don't) but I do now pay a Sky subscription... I don't have a Netflix subscription, and I don't watch enough films to warrant taking out a subscription. But even if I did, I would still be being forced to pay an additional subscription (Netflix) to watch the content of a series, which historically, was always viewable at no extra cost beyond the TV license fee which everyone has to pay.
I'm happy to agree to disagree, because as you say, it's getting cyclical, but can you see the point I am making?
But come on you know full well if Gene Rodenberry was still alive and kicking; he'd have spearheaded getting Star trek on a PPVB service ASAP if he thought he could make money off it. CBS is boldly following GR's vision of $$ dating all the way back to the TOS episode "Is There In Truth No Beauty" where Leonard Nimoy refused to wear what we now know as the IDIC pin because the ONLY reason GR wanted it in the scene originally was so he could sell it as 'something from Star Trek' to rabid fans; so they quickly added a 'story reason' for Spock to be wearing the pin (and IDIC was born).
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I'm British. Here, we pay a TV licence fee (to view anything) So while it's true that we pay a lump sum for content we never watch, we have to pay that sum if we want to watch anything. Star Trek has always been shown in the UK on terrestrial TV, so as I said, we never had to 'pay extra' to watch it. Sky carried the episodes several seasons ahead. When I was growing up, my parents didn't have Sky (they still don't) but I do now pay a Sky subscription... I don't have a Netflix subscription, and I don't watch enough films to warrant taking out a subscription. But even if I did, I would still be being forced to pay an additional subscription (Netflix) to watch the content of a series, which historically, was always viewable at no extra cost beyond the TV license fee which everyone has to pay.
I'm happy to agree to disagree, because as you say, it's getting cyclical, but can you see the point I am making?
But come on you know full well if Gene Rodenberry was still alive and kicking; he'd have spearheaded getting Star trek on a PPVB service ASAP if he thought he could make money off it. CBS is boldly following GR's vision of $$ dating all the way back to the TOS episode "Is There In Truth No Beauty" where Leonard Nimoy refused to wear what we now know as the IDIC pin because the ONLY reason GR wanted it in the scene originally was so he could sell it as 'something from Star Trek' to rabid fans; so they quickly added a 'story reason' for Spock to be wearing the pin (and IDIC was born).
Absolutely, he would. And in that sense, yes, CBS are following his vision of $$s. But that doesn't make it right...
Well this took a sideways leap into something else...
That's enitrely on you
Well, you were the one insinuating you wear protective motorcycle gear when on a bike, and that the gear happens to be black. I just don't see how it's relevant to Star Trek....
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Well this took a sideways leap into something else...
That's enitrely on you
Well, you were the one insinuating you wear protective motorcycle gear when on a bike, and that the gear happens to be black. I just don't see how it's relevant to Star Trek....
There's a whole bunch of Klingons, who would like to have you take a look at their wardrobe...
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Well, you were the one insinuating you wear protective motorcycle gear when on a bike, and that the gear happens to be black. I just don't see how it's relevant to Star Trek....
Me neither, so just let's go back to the topic at hoof
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm not usually a pessimist but the more I hear about this new show the less enthusiastic I become. They've taken away so many things that make Star Trek what it is like modular stories, I don't like it.
I'm not usually a pessimist but the more I hear about this new show the less enthusiastic I become. They've taken away so many things that make Star Trek what it is like modular stories, I don't like it.
Well modular story's have not been around since TNG really.. Voyager sort of had it under the lost in space context but Enterprise and DS9 were running story's. I don't mind the a overall story arc for the show as it allows them to tie in past episodes more easily.
But there are so many other issue with this show I agree with.
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Why? Because Bryan Fuller is bringing it up.
Better get used to it.
I mean, I didn't see that anywhere in that interview...
Your right its a huge gamble. And it might turn around and bite them good for it too. I can kinda get by with the ship, as long it has TOS features to make it of that era. Showing whats it like as a Lt or a lower ranking officer. I can go with that. As it will give us all a different view of things. Perhaps more of the life of that person as they go day to day kinda way.
If it wasn't for the stupid PPV pay wall, I would watch it. But that knocked me out. When I can go to the CW and watch my other shows I like on TV or stream it all for free. Provided by my cable provider at no extra cost.
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I find it very hard to believe that people who have internet connections, play an online MMO (thereby own a computer and have a GOOD internet connection), and live in the relatively affluent Western world are making this All Access thing out to be a second mortgage on their house.
It's not. It's $6 a month, for 4-5 months AT MAX. Withholding one cup of coffee, or one fast food meal, a month will grant you the capital you need. The money also goes to support the people who make the content we are all fans of, but in a more direct way than in older models of media distribution. If you want it bad enough, then you'll find a way to make it work within your own context.
I strongly encourage those who claim they can't afford it to reconsider. Wait until January, or even after the pilot, to start your subscription. Shoot, wait until the whole season is released, and pay $6 to binge-then-cancel. There is absolutely nothing that says you MUSt keep your All Access subscription until the end of time... and even waiting to binge-then-cancel is better than pirating it.
And if you're pitching a hissy because it's not "free," then you have a very naive understanding of how the entertainment world works
(And, before anyone starts pulling the "Don't tell me how to spend my money" card, I would point out that my own income is far closer to poverty-level than I care to admit online... but, I have a FEW plans for how to legally watch this show, even if it means skipping some other "fun" purchases along the way. It's called budgeting.)
You pay by watching ads. You pay by paying the cable company. All Access is just taking out the middle man.
It's not ideal, sure. Personally, I'm not thrilled that there isn't an ad-free subscription available (as of now, anyway). That will likely mean that I will not keep an All Access sub year-round.
We know the show will be released weekly. We know it will premiere in January 2017. We know it will be a 13-episode season. So, if you subscribe from January to May, you're talking about paying $30 to watch a show... AT MAXIMUM. At the very least, you'll pay $6... if anything at all, given CBS' setup for a free trial. Even in that instance, you'd still "pay" by watching the ads, which is likely why CBS has such an option.
I just see far too much of "I'm not paying, so...", which is the code of the self-entitled millennial generation that really means "I'm pirating it." (I know this, because I am a part of that generation, LOL... Shoot, I used the OG Napster in the early 2000s, LOL). I don't buy this narrative of CBS issuing this "draconian notion of unreasonable proportions." You don't have to give up your first born to watch this new show. You won't even have to give up an entire paycheck, if you don't want to. Entertainment is not a right.
(To me, this is very similar to the garbage Alec Peters tries to spew, by the way. There's a lot of overlap, and I can't stand it, LOL.)
We'll agree to disagree here, because we're starting to go around in circles.
The apple cart wasn't upset until the advent of streaming media over the Internet, but you have paid for Trek. Always.
If you watched in the 60s, 70s, or 80s, that looked like ad-watching (if you have ever bought something based on an ad you saw while watching Trek, congrats, you payed money to watch Trek). If you watched in the 90s, you likely watched on cable, which requires a monthly subscription in which you pay a lump sum per month for a load of content you'll likely never watch.
CBS may be guilty of jumping the gun on this streaming model, I will grant you that. Only time will tell.
But you have ALWAYS paid for Trek. It is not "free."
If CBS wanted you to stream the new Trek series. Then it should not cost extra. This is what I'm mad about. In this case, I rather watch other shows and don't bother with them.
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This is pure greed on CBS's as well alienating the viewer base the put Star Trek on the map.. It's like hey thanks for all your years of loyal support... as a reward we are going to charge you for less content then Netflix for about the same amount.
Again if we the Star Trek fans that are playing a game of Star Trek can't agree on CBS pay wall what makes you think that its going to do well with more casual fans?
Even hear in Canada $2.10, tax included, will get you an Extra Large Double Double at Tim Hortons.
Anyways argueing over if $6 a month is a rip off or not is pointless, no one is going to change position in this thread.
Folks who get it at Starbucks or some similar overpriced coffeeshop. Personally, I find the corner gas station hear produces a brew superior to Starbucks at less than a quarter the price - and of course I can make it at home even cheaper...
OTOH, Netflix is what, $8 a month or so? If you're subbing just for TRIBBLE, you're getting soaked worse by them than by CBS. (And if you're not, well, CBS All Access does provide access to most of what CBS has made over the years, so it's still a comparable product at a lower price.)
@mhall85 I really wish they don't. At this point S31 slowly becomes the main point of Star Trek, one could very well rename the show. Whenever you need anything happen it was S31, it's becoming the Iconians of the shows. Putting aside that I don't like the concept of shady shadow ops that do everything to "protect" the UFP and make the entirety of Trek a farce in the process I'd hate on any plot that gets so drawn out. If they have the glorius idea to include the temporal writing desaster of the cold war or Borg I'd be equally put off.
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I'm happy to agree to disagree, because as you say, it's getting cyclical, but can you see the point I am making?
My intelligence officer will love you. They wear the S31 outfit.
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Well this took a sideways leap into something else...
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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That's enitrely on you
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I think some of that is on you as well
But come on you know full well if Gene Rodenberry was still alive and kicking; he'd have spearheaded getting Star trek on a PPVB service ASAP if he thought he could make money off it. CBS is boldly following GR's vision of $$ dating all the way back to the TOS episode "Is There In Truth No Beauty" where Leonard Nimoy refused to wear what we now know as the IDIC pin because the ONLY reason GR wanted it in the scene originally was so he could sell it as 'something from Star Trek' to rabid fans; so they quickly added a 'story reason' for Spock to be wearing the pin (and IDIC was born).
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Absolutely, he would. And in that sense, yes, CBS are following his vision of $$s. But that doesn't make it right...
Well, you were the one insinuating you wear protective motorcycle gear when on a bike, and that the gear happens to be black. I just don't see how it's relevant to Star Trek....
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Me neither, so just let's go back to the topic at hoof
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Well modular story's have not been around since TNG really.. Voyager sort of had it under the lost in space context but Enterprise and DS9 were running story's. I don't mind the a overall story arc for the show as it allows them to tie in past episodes more easily.
But there are so many other issue with this show I agree with.
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