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  • zedbrightlander1zedbrightlander1 Member Posts: 14,782 Arc User
    I loved this. Especially, Daniels last remark. :smiley:
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    toiva wrote: »
    I had the feeling Boratus is dealt with. Unless of course we get tangled in some new time escapade.

    What a self-centered moronic prick that guy turned out to be. "AHH YOU KILLED MY WIFE! ALL WE WANTED TO DO WAS STEAL AND SELL A GENOCIDAL WEAPON AND SHOT AT YOU WHEN YOU TRIED TO STOP US, HOW DARE YOU SHOOT BACK I WILL HAVE MY REVENNNNGEEE!!!!"

    I mean, seriously dude? What the &#$%! did you expect to happen? Then again, I suppose I shouldn't expect too much in the way of logic or basic sense from someone who dresses like that.​​

    He fits right in with Noye.
    "You killed the wife I never knew I had with the weapon I was devising together with that wife and I was very confident to use together to fight an enemy that was trying to murder us all, including my wife and her people."

    And the Sphere Builders:
    "Our species' fate is more important than that of all the species in several universes"
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  • revanindustriesrevanindustries Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    Apparently all temporal villains must be 2D
  • thelunarboythelunarboy Member Posts: 412 Arc User
    Apparently all temporal villains must be 2D
    I think of the three, the Sphere Builders is the most "understandable". If you are desperate enough in terms of your own survival, then it's very tempting to overlook the needs and rights of others and do terrible things. Last century taught us that... and because we ignore Santayana's proverb.... some of us are learning it again, now.

  • kianazerokianazero Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited August 2016
    Last century taught us that... and because we ignore Santayana's proverb.... some of us are learning it again, now.

    Oddly enough, I think a quote from Command & Conquer is fitting all too well nowadays.

    "He who controls the past, commands the future. He who commands the future, conquers the past."— Kane
  • alexvio1alexvio1 Member Posts: 389 Arc User
    Winter of disconnects...
  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    Here is my issue. The Vorgons are known time travelers. But no temporal officer came to stop them on Risa trying for the Tox Uthat. They ignored that event entirely instead of collecting the improperly disposed of device. Thus they condoned the Vorgon chase through time for it. Then blame the Vorgons for allowing one casualty to live. These events happened according to Daniels. Then he says no they didn't so you are a temporal officer now.
    It reminds me of my first run through Caleb IV. More than 80% hull and shields up, suddenly my ship explodes and Daniels rescued us. It sounded less like he knew it was coming and recruited us, and he planted bombs to ensure things happened as he decided they should. He is infront of problems that other temporal agents come behind because he is causing them.

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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    feiqa wrote: »
    Here is my issue. The Vorgons are known time travelers. But no temporal officer came to stop them on Risa trying for the Tox Uthat. They ignored that event entirely instead of collecting the improperly disposed of device. Thus they condoned the Vorgon chase through time for it. Then blame the Vorgons for allowing one casualty to live. These events happened according to Daniels. Then he says no they didn't so you are a temporal officer now.
    It reminds me of my first run through Caleb IV. More than 80% hull and shields up, suddenly my ship explodes and Daniels rescued us. It sounded less like he knew it was coming and recruited us, and he planted bombs to ensure things happened as he decided they should. He is infront of problems that other temporal agents come behind because he is causing them.

    The difference, apparently, is that some events are part of accepted history while others aren't. Picard's run-in with the Vorgons, Archer's discovery of Kal Dano's corpse, the Tholian attack on Na'kuhl or the Pioneer's destruction at Caleb IV are 'canon', while the rest are undesirable actions stemming from the increasing, Noye-induced escalation of the Temporal Cold War into a 'Temporal War'. (Just like 'Stormfront' depicted an undesirable reaction to Vosk's own attempt at escalating the Temporal Cold War - which was then promptly stopped by Archer and Silik.)

    Keep in mind that removing temporal incursions can itself disrupt the timeline by breaking paradoxes - for example, the Na'kuhl wouldn't have participated in the TCW if the Tholians hadn't been provoked into attacking the Na'kuhl in response to Na'kuhl participation in the TCW. This would in turn have a dangerous or outright destructive influence on the timeline with regards to the Galactic Union and its predecessors (like the Federation), which could possibly result in a variant of 'Butterfly' scenario Alpha (Sela was never born, so the Iconians died in the invasion) and/or the post-apocalyptic Earth seen in ENT: 'Shockwave' (the Federation either wasn't founded or didn't last long), which means that by the 31st century, either the Borg or the Dominion dominate the majority of the galaxy (or are at the very least destined to do so eventually).

    Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.p3OEBPD6HU3QI.jpg
  • kianazerokianazero Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    feiqa wrote: »
    It reminds me of my first run through Caleb IV. More than 80% hull and shields up, suddenly my ship explodes and Daniels rescued us. It sounded less like he knew it was coming and recruited us, and he planted bombs to ensure things happened as he decided they should.

    Ehh, that one can be chalked up to Gameplay and Story Segregation. I mean, there's a reason that trope exists.
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