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are Romulan ships OP on elite compared to rest of game?
itpalg
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Going back over the older missions on elite (currently Frozen>The Chase) where I have played elite on the later episodes, it seems to me the scaling for these ships are out of whack.
With +40 disruptor/plasma platings, plasma shield resists, as well as any traits slotted specifically for these fights (impact defense, molecular defense, elusive), if I blink too much I get vaporized in seconds. I have done this on my 55-59 sci temp agent, and tried it on my main 60 eng. I did notice a SLIGHT improving of defense on the main, but I still had a harrowing experience compared to flying through most later elite content.
4 times now trying to take down a mogai heavy warbird in my deep space science vessel. It breaks through shields and hull in seconds. It is not humanly possible to react that fast.
With +40 disruptor/plasma platings, plasma shield resists, as well as any traits slotted specifically for these fights (impact defense, molecular defense, elusive), if I blink too much I get vaporized in seconds. I have done this on my 55-59 sci temp agent, and tried it on my main 60 eng. I did notice a SLIGHT improving of defense on the main, but I still had a harrowing experience compared to flying through most later elite content.
4 times now trying to take down a mogai heavy warbird in my deep space science vessel. It breaks through shields and hull in seconds. It is not humanly possible to react that fast.
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Now on 7 tries. One volley went through my nearly full shields in 2 seconds or less while I had like under 20% hull left. It was instant death. Once the shields went from near full to zero it was POP. I had no time to react.
On elite?
How is it I can take everything else in the game on elite, but when I got back and redo old missions, I find these are incredibly hard compared to everything that comes after it (besides Borg)?
I have the appropriate resists slotted. I just died again with my hull going from 10% to zero in a fraction of a second with shields up on the rear.
I only play normal on missions. I like to come to a game to have fun so always play on the lowest setting I can get. That's just how I roll. I have no desire to make things tougher on my toons than is absolutely necessary.
Don't you have another thread that talks about your difficulties with other elite story missions? If you continuously have trouble with elite difficulty, maybe you could scale down to advanced until you improve your setup.
This. On singleplayer games I usually try to start on the highest difficulty just to get better at it. In STO however the higher difficulties aren't really much fun since hte mobs just have higher HP and deal more damage and thus everything takes much longer. It doesn't help that every mission I've played at least once on each of my characters, so playing through them with the temporal agent AGAIN is really painfull.
But I'm also honest, I'm not able to "vape" elite enemies. The way I play I cannot muster the dps to bring down the elite mobs where a firgate has trice as much HP as I have but it's also nothing I try to get into as it's just not worth it for me. Playing a game like Warhammer40k Space Marine on the highest difficulty was a matter of personal challenge and pride, but a game like STO I play on normal for completion and later advanced space and elite ground queues for the shinies. Elite space is too tiresome for me.
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Yup that's all that really needed to be said in here.
Sometimes it is not about the loot, but the challenge / experience you get out of playing the game at higher difficulty level.
I have a different way of keeping story missions and Advanced STFs challenging... I do not bother allocating any of my specialization points the I have accumulated on any of my captains (the most being 90 points). I generally rely on captain abilities / skills, Boff abilities and gear that can be obtained from missions, the Exchange or crafted by myself. I use no reputation gear other than the gravimetric torpedo that some of my captains use.
But I suppose once my AoY captain max out all the reputations I will consider using rep gear since at least they will be ultra rare Mk XIII.
Based on some CLRs posted in ISA, I generally do about 13k - 16k DPS which is generally good enough for Advanced. Whatever my DPS is on ground, its good enough to handle Elite STF missions there.
I just did it on elite. It was a piece of cake. Nothing left but smoldering wreckage. I just don't like it when people complain that the game is too hard when it's their own lack of skill that's the problem.
I haven't fought Romulans on elite in awhile, but some stuff to keep in mind:
1) Heavy plasma torpedoes hurt (and the Borg, who you also indicated as challenging, use'em, too), but fortunately, they're also destructible. Well-timed AoE is a must if you're going to survive against them on elite. I'm the oddball who actually uses cannons on escorts and battlecruisers, and I'll use Scatter Volley when attacking a Mogai, D'deridex or Cube just to catch the odd plasma torpedo headed my way.
2) I hate it, but DPS really is king, and it sounds like your set-up is geared more towards surviving getting hit. You want to be able to not get hit by heavy torpedoes at all, and knock out enemy ships in short order; damage resistance scales poorly, but dead enemies are harmless (at least after their warp cores breach).
I am trying it again, and while heading away from it, I just got hit for over 30k while still having partial shields up. It is like the damage is being ignored partially or wholly for shields. I blinked and almost exploded.
BTW this is the Frozen>The Chase mission.
I have no problem with slow moving torps.
Mogs are not using slow moving torps. If they were, I would just dodge/shoot/evasive/grav/tractor/etc them.
If you researched instead of hyerbole, you wouldn't have said "4 different missions" either.
http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/profile/discussions/450787/itpalg
btw I now have video proof.
Here is one snippet. I am too tired to look for the others. Feel free to watch the full 45 minutes if you want on Past Broadcasts.
https://www.twitch.tv/itpaladin/v/82944556
Did you even bother to read the subject matter?
1. Romulan ships on elite
2. Romulan ships that are borg buffed on elite
3. temp probe spawns |||| or what ever when you are ALONE on elite
4. Why do I even bother...it has absolutely nothing to do with ships (quite obvious it has to do with ground and the obvious death shots of the Iconians along with boffs being stupid vs circles of death on the ground), or the subject of this thread: ROMULAN DIFFICULTY SCALING
Here's some... advice... for you:
Science vessels, as a whole, have like the least HP of any ship class, even less than escorts. However, they have the best shielding to attempt to compensate for this.
Therefore, step #1 is to help ensure that your shields never falter, or can be sprung back up with a heal ASAP. Torp hits you with no shields, sci paper hull is toast.
Step 2 is to generate "denial" in case step 1 isn't enough. Subnuke away torp spread buffs. Stay out of torp arcs in general.
If necessary, step 3 may come into play, which is to "use the right tool for the job" or "cut back on difficulty, you're already fairly handicapped unless your sci build is an epic build"...
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Now, the first and most obvious problem is your power settings. They're just bad. Set your weapons power to 100. This will help you deal more damage. Also your build leaves a lot to be desired. The first thing to understand about elite difficulty is that it's mainly just the same enemies with HUGE amounts of hitpoints. So running a setup like yours with very low damage output and a very inefficient defensive setup will usually result in a quick death. Feel free to PM me in game, and I can help you with your builds.
EDIT: I've rewatched this short vid a few times and here's a few things I've noticed. You're running 3 shield heals + 2 hull heals + tactical team (virtually always generally a requirement) and Aux to Dampers meaning you have a science ship with 7 out of 11 boff abilities being defensive. This is really bad. Also I noticed that you're reacting slowly by using your mouse to activate your boff powers. Moving these to the power tray and using your keyboard will allow you to react faster. I'm going to load up my science ships and hash out a better build for you.
Also, if you can post pictures of your skill tree, that will help greatly.