Ban Math Puzzles

otisnoble

I was born without a math coprocessor which is why math has become the bane of my existance. In school when given a choice between math and science, I would always choose one of the life sciences. Why life science you ask? You can get a good grade in life sciences without being a math wizard. Did I mention I hate math? Anyway, given my aversion to math you would understand my constrination when the game puts math puzzles into it's story lines. Again, did I mention that I hate math. With this in mind I think STO should ban all math puzzles.

artan42

Just one? 'Coz if there's more than one then it's maths...




...That's addition .​​

thunderfoot

So, you want Cryptic to subtract math puzzles from the game. Do you not realize this will divide the playerbase instead of multiplying it? Adding to your woes, Cryptic will just substitute a different kind of puzzle. This variable, we'll call it "X" for now, because we do not yet have a value for it, will add to the difficulties of playing this game for someone else whose love of this game includes math (or maths for those in the UK) based puzzles.

Panic, chaos and disorder will ensue. After you've divided the playerbase into the maths and math nots, the remainder can be plotted along a fractal curve. Which will show a geometric progression approaching infinity. Approaching infinity is bad. Very bad. Because infinity is full of math.

Sorry, OP. Couldn't resist my Dark Side. All in fun. Not meant to be hurtful. BTW, I feel ya on some of these puzzles. They are aggravating sometimes. I find most of them laughably simple and then I get insulted because I feel like the Devs are looking down their nose at me. Like I'm not terribly bright or rode the short bus or something. Kinda wish they'd replace ALL of the puzzles with some sort of Star Trek trivia questions.

iconians

I run into people that don't know how to read, like when they buy the Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Equipment on their KDF/Rom thinking it has the starship inside. So, remove all reading requirements?

I have progressive hearing loss, and while my hearing is sort of alright now, some day it's gonna be gone for good... so remove all audio cues from the game?

I have a friend who is color blind and she can't see most shades of green or red (it's all gray to her), and as a result has missed out on several aspects of the game that require her to see red (like the Risian Artifact Hunt, and the Temporal Anomalies in Agents of Yesterday -- I have to find it for the both of us), so make the entire game grayscale?

No math, no reading, no audio, and everything is grayscale. Sounds awesome!​​

thunderfoot

iconians wrote: »

I run into people that don't know how to read, like when they buy the Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Equipment on their KDF/Rom thinking it has the starship inside. So, remove all reading requirements?

I have progressive hearing loss, and while my hearing is sort of alright now, some day it's gonna be gone for good... so remove all audio cues from the game?

I have a friend who is color blind and she can't see most shades of green or red (it's all gray to her), and as a result has missed out on several aspects of the game that require her to see red (like the Risian Artifact Hunt, and the Temporal Anomalies in Agents of Yesterday -- I have to find it for the both of us), so make the entire game grayscale?

No math, no reading, no audio, and everything is grayscale. Sounds awesome!​​

I'm red-green color blind as well. To the point where I almost failed the entrance physical for the US Army. My wife despairs of me ever wearing any article of clothing which is not in primary colors again. And solids at that. No patterns. Ever. Also have partial hearing loss from being on tanks the whole time I was in. Having hearing which progressively gets worse is something I could not tolerate.

Anyone who can function effectively despite such a problem is someone I have serious respect for.

jonsills

1) You're not going to get very far in the life sciences without math. Statistical analysis is sometimes the only way to gather significant data.

2) This isn't an elementary-school math test. You're allowed to use a calculator. I do.​​

thunderfoot

jonsills wrote: »

...This isn't an elementary-school math test. You're allowed to use a calculator. I do.​​

AHHH! HACKER!!! RUUUNNN! lol

otisnoble

thunderfoot006 wrote: »

So, you want Cryptic to subtract math puzzles from the game. Do you not realize this will divide the playerbase instead of multiplying it? Adding to your woes, Cryptic will just substitute a different kind of puzzle. This variable, we'll call it "X" for now, because we do not yet have a value for it, will add to the difficulties of playing this game for someone else whose love of this game includes math (or maths for those in the UK) based puzzles.

Panic, chaos and disorder will ensue. After you've divided the playerbase into the maths and math nots, the remainder can be plotted along a fractal curve. Which will show a geometric progression approaching infinity. Approaching infinity is bad. Very bad. Because infinity is full of math.

Sorry, OP. Couldn't resist my Dark Side. All in fun. Not meant to be hurtful. BTW, I feel ya on some of these puzzles. They are aggravating sometimes. I find most of them laughably simple and then I get insulted because I feel like the Devs are looking down their nose at me. Like I'm not terribly bright or rode the short bus or something. Kinda wish they'd replace ALL of the puzzles with some sort of Star Trek trivia questions.

sounds like math to me.

otisnoble

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jonsills wrote: »

1) You're not going to get very far in the life sciences without math. Statistical analysis is sometimes the only way to gather significant data.

2) This isn't an elementary-school math test. You're allowed to use a calculator. I do.​​

I have my degree already so it doesn't matter now, plus I'm retired.

hawku001x

Ban the person above you.

daveyny

I have found that my 10 fingers, are all I need to finish the particular problems of the AoY expansion.

Surely, you have Ten Fingers???
(toes also work nicely if not)

Please Note...
Minions only have six fingers.... but they count each other to do math...

daveyny

conkav22

Well STOs maths puzzles are pretty tame compared to what you have in some other games. Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic (The RPG not the MMO) needed me to do forms of math i have never seen, some weird pattern stuff,

Specifically its a patterns puzzle, starts off easy with a linear pattern, then quadratic, then exponential, then weird candy land voodoo pattern​​

angrytarg

I hope when you say "math puzzle" you're not talking about adding numbers up to equal 15 or "the first to numbers equal the third and the second and third equal the fourth".

hfmudd

crashdragon wrote: »

I have three claws and one opposable thumb claw.

I have three toes.

While you was working this out I stole your car.​​

As I was going to St. Ives
I met a dragon with seven ponies

jonsills

angrytarg wrote: »

I hope when you say "math puzzle" you're not talking about adding numbers up to equal 15 or "the first to numbers equal the third and the second and third equal the fourth".

I figured it was about puzzles like the ones needed to shut down the satellite systems in "Coliseum". Those are difficult to do in one's head.​​

angrytarg

jonsills wrote: »

I figured it was about puzzles like the ones needed to shut down the satellite systems in "Coliseum". Those are difficult to do in one's head.

Fair enough, I forgot about those.

But then again, nothing wrong with taking a piece of paper to write it down or something. I wonder what people these days would say if I told them that there was a time we pencil drew maps, riddles and a lot of other stuff while playing a videogame in order to beat it. ​​

farmallm

I hate math as well.

admiralnat

iconians wrote: »

I run into people that don't know how to read, like when they buy the Kelvin Timeline Intel Dreadnought Equipment on their KDF/Rom thinking it has the starship inside. So, remove all reading requirements?

I have progressive hearing loss, and while my hearing is sort of alright now, some day it's gonna be gone for good... so remove all audio cues from the game?

I have a friend who is color blind and she can't see most shades of green or red (it's all gray to her), and as a result has missed out on several aspects of the game that require her to see red (like the Risian Artifact Hunt, and the Temporal Anomalies in Agents of Yesterday -- I have to find it for the both of us), so make the entire game grayscale?

No math, no reading, no audio, and everything is grayscale. Sounds awesome!

Don't forget about the completely blind people; scrap the graphics too. Even then, don't forget the guys who can't download or run the game, so don't let anyone else do that either. Then again, don't forget the dead people; they don't even know about the game, so just blast it with the Krenim Annorax anti-time weapon and be done with it! ​​

thunderfoot

angrytarg wrote: »

...But then again, nothing wrong with taking a piece of paper to write it down or something. I wonder what people these days would say if I told them that there was a time we pencil drew maps, riddles and a lot of other stuff while playing a videogame in order to beat it.

WHAT?! How dare you suggest I do something manually? With such primitive tools! The very idea! Next you'll be wanting me to go play outside! Where there's air and bugs and sunlight and such. My God, Man! Are you out of your mind? ROFLMAO

EDIT: Angrytarg? Did you ever play a game called Pool Of Radiance by TSR? I think I still have the three notebooks I used so I wouldn't get stalled by the puzzles.

conkav22

I still have a notepad,cheatsheet i made up for kotor 1 and 2​​

cptjhunter

daveyny wrote: »

I have found that my 10 fingers, are all I need to finish the particular problems of the AoY expansion.

Surely, you have Ten Fingers???
(toes also work nicely if not)

Please Note...
Minions only have six fingers.... but they count each other to do math...

I left my fly open, in case I have to count to 11, beside the fact, I have to count to 15 in the AOY puzzle.

angrytarg

thunderfoot006 wrote: »

EDIT: Angrytarg? Did you ever play a game called Pool Of Radiance by TSR? I think I still have the three notebooks I used so I wouldn't get stalled by the puzzles.

No I haven't, but I have several hand drawn maps from a bunch of NES games like Metroid and Zelda and a lot of stuff from the early Ultimas

azrael605 wrote: »

@angrytarg

The "first 2 numbers equal the 3rd, 2nd & 3rd equals the fourth, etc" is called the Fibonnaci Number Sequence. I became familiar with it from a (I believe) Canadian childrens educational program, a long time ago. Had a multi- part coverage of the concept.

The more you know, thanks It would have sounded much more elaborate if I had known that ​​

thekodanarmada

Would you prefer Regular Expression Crosswords?

Or you can go back and master a basic skill, with tools, and stop complaining.

angrytarg

crashdragon wrote: »

Just do what I do, try every one until you find one that works. Similar to when I'm looking through a pile of empty beer can to finds a full one. It'll happen sooner or later.

Never give up. It's the Australian way.

Uh.. just look for the lid, mate. You don't have to grab every single can ​​

conkav22

I wonder whats the most evil maths puzzle in a non-maths puzzle centric game​​