During the many recent discussions about the exchange rate a lot of people were boasting that they earned dilithium faster than they could spend it - so maybe it's not really that costly?
Hm, I refine 80k/day over 10 alts and 3 hours playing on average. Buying it with Dil would mean savings of 25 days. I consider this a lot of Dil but nothing insane.
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It's too expensive for most, I suppose, but for the really big whales and space rich people, it might be a neat way to get them to sell some of their riches for it, overall lowering the amount of avaialble Dilthium and raising its value on the Dilithium/Zen Exchange.
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It's too expensive for most, I suppose, but for the really big whales and space rich people, it might be a neat way to get them to sell some of their riches for it, overall lowering the amount of avaialble Dilthium and raising its value on the Dilithium/Zen Exchange.
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I want to start by saying that I think that this is more of a test run for Cryptic than anything else.
Now, when you think about it, the dilithium pricing isn't all that crazy. The proposed 2,000,000 dilithium price at a rough 400 dil per zen works out to $50. Now take the 200 Lobi Mirror Leeta Variants uniform (lots of outfits cost 200 lobi and ALL are character bound). 200 lobi at 5 lobi average per lock box/key = 40 keys. What does 40 keys cost? $45. So 2,000,000 dilithium isn't as crazy as you think. The only reason that people are "mad" is because 2,000,000 looks like such a high number. Yet few complain about 200 lobi outfits that are also character unlocks.
You're also not taking into account that while, yes, someone on average would have to use ~40 keys to get enough Lobi, the item itself ( In this case Leeta's Hotpants) is not bound to character, and freely sellable on the exchange for the price of about 20-25 keys, on average and not accounting for massive flood of first day purchase.
People using this equation of Zen to Keys/Lobi vs. Dill is not taking into account the more flexible and easily earned EC, and isn't really making sense by ignoring that third currency.
This never made sense to me - Player "A" spends 40 keys to get the Lobi to buy the Lobi costume then sells it for a price of 20-25 keys, essentially throwing away 15-20 keys worth of EC to post the Lobi item on the exchange.
Even if they bought the keys with EC instead of Zen it's still a net loss of 15-20 keys value, then they complain how expensive things are....just seems strange.
Just being devil's advocate for a minute - it costs 2 million of a currency that is acquired in game free of charge so it's a little weird to say its 50 dollars or whatever. You could just as easily say that it's free. During the many recent discussions about the exchange rate a lot of people were boasting that they earned dilithium faster than they could spend it - so maybe it's not really that costly?
Dil can be traded into zen which can be used to buy c-store assets. Like ships.
As such, its DOES have monetary value.
Thats why fleets are dilithium starved: Noone want to throw real money at these things. Not when they could just hawk for that on or two opportunities a week to dump 4k fleet marks.
Now, if di lactualyl gave a huge su mof fleet credits per drop one mgiht reconsider - simply a case of ease of use after all. You either wait for that fleet mark dump or spend some of your money.
Its how most F2P operate, its just that cryptic is really off with the pricing. They do not incentivise spending dil to make things go faster and easier.
Example: 1:1 dil/Fcredit ratio for fleet credits. Thats TRIBBLE. It should be more like 1:15.
Yes, Fleet Credit Ratio is too low. The stupid Fleet Provisions are also ridiculously priced for no credit. They should be in EC. Provisioning almost all of the Tier 3 Upgrade on the Fleet Research Lab cost me close to 2.5 million Fleet Credits.
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In all seriousness, is lootcritter really all that important?
Nope, no he isn't. There are more knowledgable people in the STO forums who are qualified to write walls of text about the topic of an MMO economy.
I think it might be a good idea for a few dozen STO players (or so) to take a big step back and consider the possibility that Cryptic aren't the ones who are crazy, their fellow players (and maybe even themselves) are.
Why not just let the influence on the Dil exchange the next couple of days speak for itself?
With the upgrade weekend over and no new items in Z-store in quiet sometime this should be easy enough (at least if we don’t get a sale weekend on top of it *DOH*).
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This never made sense to me - Player "A" spends 40 keys to get the Lobi to buy the Lobi costume then sells it for a price of 20-25 keys, essentially throwing away 15-20 keys worth of EC to post the Lobi item on the exchange.
The lock boxes contained other things too, probably averaging to the difference in value between the lobi item and zen spent.
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Why not just let the influence on the Dil exchange the next couple of days speak for itself?
That's my current attitude. We can sit here and talk all day about whether or not this will get a signiciant chunk of dilithium off the market but there's really no need. Either this will or it won't, and once that's established I think it'll be much easier to say to cryptic (one way or the other) how they should continue these dilithium store costumes.
(250,000-500,000 range would seem more appropriate. And if they need some other item up there to occupy the 1mil-2mil range, why not a ship? That's likewise nearly at to double the dilithium rate for an equivalent C-store item. Roundtable guys last night figured putting retired event ships up on top shelf of the dil store might be a way of filling the place of a major sink without the absolutely horrendous mismatch between item and price. 2mil for T6, 1mil for T5.)
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I want to start by saying that I think that this is more of a test run for Cryptic than anything else.
The lock boxes contained other things too, probably averaging to the difference in value between the lobi item and zen spent.
Which is precisely why ppl can't just equate 200 Lobi to 2,000,000 Dilithium: the former is more-or-less a 'byproduct' of opening lockboxes (a consolation-prize, if you will, so you'll at least got something out it), the latter is an 8k-per-day gated, precious 'currency' needed to Upgrade your gear. I have bought Lobi costumes before, but that was really like I said: I had some Lobi to spare, and figured, Hey, why not a nice costume?! In no Universe, however, will I ever fork 2,000,000 Dilithium over to Cryptic for a nice costume: I could Upgrade an entire space set with that!
N.B. Why does the word 'Monoclegate' keep ringing in my ears?! :P
22nd Century MACO Uniform? Hurrah! Two million Dilithium? Boo!
I mean, I'm all for these costume items that some people, myself included, have been asking for since Beta (No joke)! But can't we get them account wide through the C-store?
In fact, let's put that out there: There's a stack of costume options available in the Lobi store and via Dilithium, yet they aren't in the C-store for a flat rate? The cynics are saying that it's so more money can be bled from the game and it's sad, but I agree with them.
*sigh* No wonder my monthly stipend gets augmented on a regular basis for things like this.
I'm aware that by spending real-world cash for keys I'm supporting the stupidity that is the lock-boxes and the Dilithium exchange rates, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.
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Just being devil's advocate for a minute - it costs 2 million of a currency that is acquired in game free of charge so it's a little weird to say its 50 dollars or whatever. You could just as easily say that it's free. During the many recent discussions about the exchange rate a lot of people were boasting that they earned dilithium faster than they could spend it - so maybe it's not really that costly?
I can get it much faster than I can refine it, and I find it much more difficult to prioritise what things I want to use that dil first, than to find ways to spend it >.>
Totally agree, people that think these prices are fine are being silly. If they are going to charge that, then at the very, very least they have to be account wide.
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Hm, I refine 80k/day over 10 alts and 3 hours playing on average. Buying it with Dil would mean savings of 25 days. I consider this a lot of Dil but nothing insane.
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Whales? Yeah.
Maybe lootcritter is just mad 'cause he spent $800 on Kelvin lock boxes and didn't win a Kelvin connie.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/4uyq7o/what_would_be_the_cheapest_way_to_get_a_kelvin/d5u3tmd
It's OK. He's probably one of the special people that got that gold plated ship.
Lol, that's what i thought too.
This never made sense to me - Player "A" spends 40 keys to get the Lobi to buy the Lobi costume then sells it for a price of 20-25 keys, essentially throwing away 15-20 keys worth of EC to post the Lobi item on the exchange.
Even if they bought the keys with EC instead of Zen it's still a net loss of 15-20 keys value, then they complain how expensive things are....just seems strange.
Dil can be traded into zen which can be used to buy c-store assets. Like ships.
As such, its DOES have monetary value.
Thats why fleets are dilithium starved: Noone want to throw real money at these things. Not when they could just hawk for that on or two opportunities a week to dump 4k fleet marks.
Now, if di lactualyl gave a huge su mof fleet credits per drop one mgiht reconsider - simply a case of ease of use after all. You either wait for that fleet mark dump or spend some of your money.
Its how most F2P operate, its just that cryptic is really off with the pricing. They do not incentivise spending dil to make things go faster and easier.
Example: 1:1 dil/Fcredit ratio for fleet credits. Thats TRIBBLE. It should be more like 1:15.
This isn't the unwavering support that Cryptic/PWE expects from it's loyal players!
/jk, as I agree it is just as insane as the character bound lobi store and lockbox item prices.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Nope, no he isn't. There are more knowledgable people in the STO forums who are qualified to write walls of text about the topic of an MMO economy.
I think it might be a good idea for a few dozen STO players (or so) to take a big step back and consider the possibility that Cryptic aren't the ones who are crazy, their fellow players (and maybe even themselves) are.
With the upgrade weekend over and no new items in Z-store in quiet sometime this should be easy enough (at least if we don’t get a sale weekend on top of it *DOH*).
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The lock boxes contained other things too, probably averaging to the difference in value between the lobi item and zen spent.
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That's my current attitude. We can sit here and talk all day about whether or not this will get a signiciant chunk of dilithium off the market but there's really no need. Either this will or it won't, and once that's established I think it'll be much easier to say to cryptic (one way or the other) how they should continue these dilithium store costumes.
(250,000-500,000 range would seem more appropriate. And if they need some other item up there to occupy the 1mil-2mil range, why not a ship? That's likewise nearly at to double the dilithium rate for an equivalent C-store item. Roundtable guys last night figured putting retired event ships up on top shelf of the dil store might be a way of filling the place of a major sink without the absolutely horrendous mismatch between item and price. 2mil for T6, 1mil for T5.)
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Which is precisely why ppl can't just equate 200 Lobi to 2,000,000 Dilithium: the former is more-or-less a 'byproduct' of opening lockboxes (a consolation-prize, if you will, so you'll at least got something out it), the latter is an 8k-per-day gated, precious 'currency' needed to Upgrade your gear. I have bought Lobi costumes before, but that was really like I said: I had some Lobi to spare, and figured, Hey, why not a nice costume?! In no Universe, however, will I ever fork 2,000,000 Dilithium over to Cryptic for a nice costume: I could Upgrade an entire space set with that!
N.B. Why does the word 'Monoclegate' keep ringing in my ears?! :P
I mean, I'm all for these costume items that some people, myself included, have been asking for since Beta (No joke)! But can't we get them account wide through the C-store?
In fact, let's put that out there: There's a stack of costume options available in the Lobi store and via Dilithium, yet they aren't in the C-store for a flat rate? The cynics are saying that it's so more money can be bled from the game and it's sad, but I agree with them.
*sigh* No wonder my monthly stipend gets augmented on a regular basis for things like this.
I'm aware that by spending real-world cash for keys I'm supporting the stupidity that is the lock-boxes and the Dilithium exchange rates, but that doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.
And that is how it's officially seen, of course, as they can't have it be gambling.
I can get it much faster than I can refine it, and I find it much more difficult to prioritise what things I want to use that dil first, than to find ways to spend it >.>
Oh 2mil dil? Screen is blurry at work and I thought it was 8. That will be easier to budget in. Thanks.
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