Daniels is trying to protect the timeline. So events unfold how the should. that would include time travel events experanced by every1 b4 the temprol accords are set.
Was your work good? Should you now go and check on the bomb?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Things could be better in your time, so you get in your time machine and go back and change things so that they are better....
... but in the process you make things worse for someone else, or maybe they just disagree with you about what "better" means, so they get into their time machine and go back and fix your fixes....
... and because actions have chaotic and unpredictable consequences, your fixes and their fixes may have knock-on effects on people you've never heard of, but who now have to jump into their time machines and go back and sort things out....
Basically, the only stable timeline you can have - is one where time travel is never invented.
Things could be better in your time, so you get in your time machine and go back and change things so that they are better....
... but in the process you make things worse for someone else, or maybe they just disagree with you about what "better" means, so they get into their time machine and go back and fix your fixes....
... and because actions have chaotic and unpredictable consequences, your fixes and their fixes may have knock-on effects on people you've never heard of, but who now have to jump into their time machines and go back and sort things out....
Basically, the only stable timeline you can have - is one where time travel is never invented.
The core of Niven's First Law of Time Travel: "In any plenum in which both time travel and changing the past is possible, time travel will never be invented." The basic argument is that eventually, time travelers will mess things up so badly that someone will reach the conclusion that the only way to save the universe is to kill the inventor of the time machine before he starts working on it. (And when, eventually, someone else discovers the secret, the same issues unfold, with the same ending...)
The following, with full credit to the originator of the work of Douglas Adams, in the the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy "Mostly Harmless", the fifth book in the trilogy (yes, you read that right) sums up my entire opinion on trying to make sense of time travel in the star trek universe.
Anything that happens, happens.
Anything that, in happening, causes something else to
happen, causes something else to happen.
Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again,
happens again.
It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.
The history of the Galaxy has got a little muddled, for a
number of reasons: partly because those who are trying to keep
track of it have got a little muddled, but also because some very
muddling things have been happening anyway.
One of the problems has to do with the speed of light and
the difficulties involved in trying to exceed it. You can't. Nothing
travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception
of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. The Hingefreel
people of Arkintoofle Minor did try to build spaceships that were
powered by bad news but they didn't work particularly well and
were so extremely unwelcome whenever they arrived anywhere
that there wasn't really any point in being there.
So, by and large, the peoples of the Galaxy tended to languish
in their own local muddles and the history of the Galaxy itself
was, for a long time, largely cosmological.
Which is not to say that people weren't trying. They tried
sending off fleets of spaceships to do battle or business in
distant parts, but these usually took thousands of years to get
anywhere. By the time they eventually arrived, other forms of
travel had been discovered which made use of hyperspace to
circumvent the speed of light, so that whatever battles it was
that the slower-than-light fleets had been sent to fight had already
been taken care of centuries earlier by the time they actually got
there .
This didn't, of course, deter their crews from wanting to fight
the battles anyway. They were trained, they were ready, they'd
had a couple of thousand years' sleep, they'd come a long way
to do a tough job and by Zarquon they were going to do it.
This was when the first major muddles of Galactic history set
in, with battles continually re-erupting centuries after the issues
they had been fought over had supposedly been settled. However,
these muddles were as nothing to the ones which historians had
to try and unravel once time-travel was discovered and battles
started pre-erupting hundreds of years before the issues even
arose. When the Infinite Improbability Drive arrived and whole
planets started turning unexpectedly into banana fruitcake, the
great history faculty of the University of MaxiMegalon finally
gave up, closed itself down and surrendered its buildings to the
rapidly growing joint faculty of Divinity and Water Polo, which
had been after them for years.
Anyone who wants to join me in a prayer by the poolside before the next temporal event and the tournament between the Klingon Krill and Ferengi FlyingFish, is welcome to do so. Cheers.
"The only thing mankind learns from the study of history is that mankind does not learn from the study of history." ~G. Santayana
You know how sometimes you accidentally email a whole group of people instead of just one? Well when you're a temporal agent, sometimes you call the same person at 100 different points in their timeline. From his perspective he's just said it once and only released after he hit send.
Daniels is trying to protect the timeline. So events unfold how the should. that would include time travel events experanced by every1 b4 the temprol accords are set.
HIS timeline. the one that grants him power over the fates of entire civilizations. For all the player character knows, it could be a future where dissent is crushed brutally and totally, where dissidents risk being killed before they're born, and your memories can be 'adjusted' if you think the wrong thoughts or have the wrong ideas.
HIS future could be stagnant, an evolutionary dead-end. No longer advancing to a state of evolved consciousness like the Q.
we don't know.
What we do know is the Thox Utat came from that future, that it's the reason the Tholians were able to destroy the Na'khul star, and the reason the Na'kuhl attacked the Tholians, so it's the reason for the entire time-war to begin with.
what we do know is that the Timeship that saved the Iconians came from the 2409 present, that if it hadn't been sent back, the Sphere builders would not exist and neither would the Iconians, which means if Hobus blew up, it was an actual accident rather than an engineered event.
There is no guarantee that the Federation wouldn't still exist. there is no guarantee that the Galactic-whatever wouldn't still exist, but what we DO know, is the lengths their agents are willing to go to guarantee that one specific version of those-founded on a double-massacre and the genocide of civilizations (multiple) will be the dominant one.
we know what Daniels is willing to do-or more specifically what he's already ordered the Player Character to do or not do, to make HIS past the player character's future.
when you sand off the veneer, and look at it not from the omniscience of a player in a game, but as if you are the person on the screen dealing with this ****, it's pretty clear, and you have to ask yourself, "Do I want a future that gives this kind of power to this manipulative weasel of a man? The kind of future that creates this sort of manipulative weasel, then gives him this sort of power?"
For the Tyrannically inclined, or those of Authoritarian or Totalitarian bent, I suppose the answer is 'Sure! Look how awesome it's gotta be!' or "but it's Destiny and he says it's all these things we say we value..." or "You can't stand against the wind."
Never demanding to know why, never refusing this stranger who speaks with an authoritative voice, never questioning the legitimacy of his mission, his actions, or his position.
My characters, on both KDF and Fed side, would probably do the equivalent of stabbing him in the face or stripping him naked and tossing him in a cell before they'd meekly accept orders from him.
My preference is once beamed aboard from K13 is call over security. "Take Mr. Hunter to sickbay. He has either gone delusional. Or is impersonating a Starfleet officer. So if they don't find anything wrong with him. Put him in the brig naked."
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
"Bonny kin Bonny kin dressed all in red. The timeline's secure but soon YOU'LL BE DEAD!!!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!"
LOL!
If it was April, Trendy should let the devs rotate through a bunch of these instead of fixing the bug. Bonny kin holo, Leeta, Kurland, Sela, ....
When Bonny kin holo first started making random audio utterances in Earth Spacedock (which was actually pretty scary), it gave me a great idea for a story about how his program had transferred back from his emitter into Drozana's systems and escaped, propagating his murderous self in other Starfleet computers.
You know how sometimes you accidentally email a whole group of people instead of just one? Well when you're a temporal agent, sometimes you call the same person at 100 different points in their timeline. From his perspective he's just said it once and only released after he hit send.
I like this one - or maybe it's the equivalent of a test pattern - 'If my phrasing ever seems to change from your perspective on this message, someone just tried to shoot Kirk in 2263 again'.
Fate - protects fools, small children, and ships named Enterprise Will Riker
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Be an officer in the Terran Empire, they said. You'll get great dental benefits, they said. Pah! What I have to put up with...
... but in the process you make things worse for someone else, or maybe they just disagree with you about what "better" means, so they get into their time machine and go back and fix your fixes....
... and because actions have chaotic and unpredictable consequences, your fixes and their fixes may have knock-on effects on people you've never heard of, but who now have to jump into their time machines and go back and sort things out....
Basically, the only stable timeline you can have - is one where time travel is never invented.
Provided for your enjoyment and consideration:
Anyone who wants to join me in a prayer by the poolside before the next temporal event and the tournament between the Klingon Krill and Ferengi FlyingFish, is welcome to do so. Cheers.
My preference is once beamed aboard from K13 is call over security. "Take Mr. Hunter to sickbay. He has either gone delusional. Or is impersonating a Starfleet officer. So if they don't find anything wrong with him. Put him in the brig naked."
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
LOL!
If it was April, Trendy should let the devs rotate through a bunch of these instead of fixing the bug. Bonny kin holo, Leeta, Kurland, Sela, ....
When Bonny kin holo first started making random audio utterances in Earth Spacedock (which was actually pretty scary), it gave me a great idea for a story about how his program had transferred back from his emitter into Drozana's systems and escaped, propagating his murderous self in other Starfleet computers.
I like this one - or maybe it's the equivalent of a test pattern - 'If my phrasing ever seems to change from your perspective on this message, someone just tried to shoot Kirk in 2263 again'.
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