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Chronos vs. Jupiter
lordgyor
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Okay just bought 2000 Zen to add to my 1500 zen, and I'm torn as to what to buy.
The Pragmatist in me says the Chronos, its cross faction so all my Characters can use it (it actually suits my Orion character better then a Klingon or Breen ships I'm using), yet it also fights both my Federation and future Remen characters, you don't have to worry about buying a Fleet Modual, it has a Commander and Lt. Temporal officers, Molecular Reconstruction Configurations, a cool console, a cool trait, my main character is KDF not federation.
My federation character is only level 30 as of yesterday and it'll be days or weeks depending in my schedule to level her up enough to fly the Jupiter.
The Niner in me wants the Jupiter, yes its not from DS9, but its the kind of ship Captain Sisko would have designed, a mobile starbase/carrier capable of launching Peregrine Fighters, Shuttles, Runabouts, and best of all Callistos, light escorts as fast and tough as the original defiant that Sisko flew. (Answer why not the defiant T6 aka the Valiant, I can't fly escorts, I use them like Cruisers because I don't have the dexerity).
So my brains wants the Chronos, but inner Niner wants the Jupiter, my heart wants both, my wallet says just one. Both are cool ships.
Any advise, suggestions,
The Pragmatist in me says the Chronos, its cross faction so all my Characters can use it (it actually suits my Orion character better then a Klingon or Breen ships I'm using), yet it also fights both my Federation and future Remen characters, you don't have to worry about buying a Fleet Modual, it has a Commander and Lt. Temporal officers, Molecular Reconstruction Configurations, a cool console, a cool trait, my main character is KDF not federation.
My federation character is only level 30 as of yesterday and it'll be days or weeks depending in my schedule to level her up enough to fly the Jupiter.
The Niner in me wants the Jupiter, yes its not from DS9, but its the kind of ship Captain Sisko would have designed, a mobile starbase/carrier capable of launching Peregrine Fighters, Shuttles, Runabouts, and best of all Callistos, light escorts as fast and tough as the original defiant that Sisko flew. (Answer why not the defiant T6 aka the Valiant, I can't fly escorts, I use them like Cruisers because I don't have the dexerity).
So my brains wants the Chronos, but inner Niner wants the Jupiter, my heart wants both, my wallet says just one. Both are cool ships.
Any advise, suggestions,
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HAHAHA, LMAO, nice Mythological reference.
This wins.
If you're going to get one, the Chronos does have more character flexibility, it sounds like.
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Here is my build: (STOAcademy)
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/a86156534d8410a8d6421b23205f4b54
I run the Advanced Callistos and they rock. Current Shield strength is 21k per shield face, and depending on traits hull strength is anywhere from 83k to 91k. Shield regen is at 1.2k per 6 seconds.
Get the Chronos.
Don't get me wrong, the Jupiter can be fun, but honestly.. without a lot of Traits from other ships and the right gear, it's a very lackluster ship in the way of performance. It's a big, slow, science heavy cruiser that sacrifices firepower in a trade off for it's hangar bays that often leave you high and dry.
The Jupiter comes with a substandard Trait and Console, and it's base C-Store level which requires a Fleet Module and makes you level the ship twice (if you want the C-Store Trait.) The biggest problem with the Jupiter is that on top of being limited on what it can do tactically, it's also a 3/3 weapon layout which really hurts it. This is supposed to be made up by it's 2 hangar bays, but it's honestly not. The Pet AI still isn't anywhere near where it should be. Half the time, you'll move from one group of enemies to another and your pets will just sit there doing nothing. They won't follow you, they get lost, and sometimes they don't even attack. The Callisto's are tough little frigates, and when you can get them in the fight they're somewhat effective, but both bays together doesn't make up for 1 missing weapon, much less 2.
I enjoy my Jupiter, but I'm using traits like All Hands On Deck, Reciprocity, Emergency Weapon Cycle, and Improved Feedback Pulse and Tachyon Beam to make it shine. This ship honestly needs all of that to get to a fairly descent level.
The Chronos is just a better ship. It has better BoFF seating overall, it's fleet level, it's account wide for any faction and comes with a better console and trait then the Jupiter.
The Jupiter is the kind of ship you buy if you're sitting on a pile of excess dilithium, you can get a free ship and you want something you can take out on occasion and have a little fun with. If you're just getting one ship, and you need it to be your 'Go to ship,' then the Jupiter is, in my opinion, a poor choice.
But the arguements of Seaofsarrows wins out, along with one of my own. I can get play the Chronos right away and use it to get enough dilithium to sell for Zen to buy the Jupiter.
@Imkain when you said your shield facings were 21k I thought at first you meant the shield facings on your Advance Callistos!!!
I was wondering how you found out what the shield facings on your pets were, I've only been able to find out Hull Points, not shield points on pets.
Then I realized that you were talking about the JUPITERS SHIELDS!!!
Normally you'd have to do the Temporal Defence Rep to get them, but tbey came standard on the 31st Temporal ships.
Not the advanced verisons of these weapons that make up the set, just the basic ones so I don't know what the proc is like, but if its anything like the advanced verisons that would be cool.
Most ships come with standard disuptors or phasers or Plasma or antiproton beams or DCs and standard photons or Quantums or Plasma, torpedoes, so Temporal Defence Chroniton weapons are an interesting starting weapon.
Plus Rainbows!
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Do the Epoc fighters have the Temporal Defence Chroniton Beams/torps?
I ask because I won't be in a position to get my Chronos until Monday sadly.
I can't say much for the jupiter, but the people I know who fly it say that it's fine. It's a big, slow, hulking carrier that, while it doesn't look good, it gets the job done. I am, however, less than impressed with it's console and traits. Plus it is more science oriented, and I main an engineer, so that is another sticking point for me.
I can see how it could be hard choice, given that carriers and dreadnoughts are two distinct classes, and both ships serve different but important purposes. But for me, Chronos wins out strongly.
(side note, the Eternal class science vessel is also pretty spicy)
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The Jupiter's trait on the Chronos would give its Epoc Fighters access to a intel transport torpedo attack, but you'd have have tractor beam on your Sci Boff.
So yeah I'll get the Chronos first, but then I'm going after the Jupiter.
Stay away from the Epoch fighters unless they give them a serious boost. The channeled deconstruction ability they have is wasted on them. When they use it (which is rarely) they quickly lose arc on their target, causing the ability to end. The elite versions with B:FaW are probably only on par with other advanced level hangar pets.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
The Molecular Decontruction Beam alone deals over 5000 Physical damage directly to hull once per second for 5 seconds, heals my hull 2666 hull per second for 5 seconds, and disables the target. That's not including boosting the beam with offence, defence, or support counters. My beam had something called Amplify control which decreases the targets hull resistance by 33%.
Offence configuration boosts turn rate & Speed by 20% and max engine power by 10%. Cuts incoming hull healing by 16%.
Defence boosts incoming hull healing by 20% and max shield power by 10%. Cuts turn rate by 16%.
Support increases exotic damage by 20%, control expertise by 40% (was that just a 40?), and max AUX power by 10%. Cuts direct energy damage by 16%. Great for CC torp boats.
The beam is powerful enough to take some ships out by itself.
The basic Epoc fighters okay, it might be worth is to buy the epic.
One cool thing about the Epoc fighters is when they gather around you, they glow blue, so its like your ship is surrounded by blue fireflies!!!
I still switched to my Elite Orion Interceptors.
I couldn't test the Temporal Boffs Qon'os does not offer temporal boffs from the boff vendor and the exchange doesn't have a section for Temporal Training Manuels yet. So I have no way to get a Temporal Boff, at least KDF side!
The console heals 500 hull per second and 250 shields per second, but I think that's per facing. It also threatens up to 5 nearby enemies. Goes well with the attract fire cruiser command.
If you get hit by alot of enemies, that boost to damage by the end could be every high.
This thing is a multipurpose tank. I forgot to put on any boff powers and the Kazon could barely scratch the paint, and my ship kill them with easy.
I usually kept the ship in Offence Configuration. I used the Decontruction beam to kill a Kazon cruiser.
I laughed in the face of a tac cube as the best it could do is drop me to 60% hull, with no boffs abilities, just a some special consoles, like tge Gorn Repair Console.
I did get killed by a unimatrix warp core explosion.
Shields and Hull are really good on this.
Most powerful and flexible ship I've owned. And I haven't even completed the Chronos Starship Mastery tiers.
on the KDF side it has two hull materials,Temporal and Material 26, 1 choice of windows, and that's it.
So I slapped on the Jem'Hadar visuals, and it looks super bad arsed now. Its beautiful, but tough lookinhg.
The STO wiki is wrong it, doesn't come with any Temporal Defence Chroniton Weapons at all. It comes witn 1 antiproton dual beam bank, 1 antiproton dual cannon, 2 chroniton torps, 4 Antiproton Beam Arrays.
I'll give Cryptic Credit, at least they made the 'cross faction' ships all worth getting. I was afraid they would make them total junk in order to not draw sales away from the respective 'faction' star ships, but this definitely doesn't seem to be the case.
The Temporal Ships are actually pretty nice.
Yes, it would be a good trait for the Jupiter. That's my big problem with the Jupiter, the ship is so naturally underwhelming, that it takes traits from other ships to improve it's effectiveness. When you do end up getting the Jupiter eventually, it will be a little more effective thanks to the trait from the Chronos.
wait wait wait let me get this straigt
chronos becomes Uranus
Jupiter beats him
does that mean jupiter was a hemrhoid? lol
When I switched from the Breen Carrier to the Chronos TDC, the Chronos filled nearly the whole screen, I had to zoom out, then zoom out again, zoom out some more, before getting so it took up a reason amount of then screen.
What's bigger, the Chronos or the Jupiter?
The Emerald Empress is wearing the Jem'hadar visuals.
https://s32.postimg.org/rjs8um8ud/20160709_112448.jpg
The Jupiter is bigger. The Jupiter is one of the biggest ships in STO, it's bigger then the Odyssey and slightly larger then the Vengeance.
The Jupiter is enormous.
The Vegence is the size not of a skyscraper, but of an entire city block!!!
Imagine it was a Jupiter crashing into an Earth city instead of the Vegence! I do know the Jupiter is thicker too.
Thanks for answering Seaofsarrows.
Someone put there 156k @ ISA Chronos TDC build on youtube.
https://goo.gl/photos/V8AxgJ1eAY2zbAdN9