It's unpopular yes....but the Enterprise-J isn't that big

daedalus304

So after seeing it in game, I have to say the ship itself isn't that big compared to what the original designer was intending it to be.

I mean this is a ship that was supposed to be able to have Galaxy Classes dock inside of it (not like hundreds of shuttles, more like a bigger DF in voyager). and it's actually much smaller.

here's where the unpopular part comes in....I can already see that it's downgrading is due to the fact that they may want to "release" it as a playable ship in the future.

anyone else see that?

gradii

oh god that would be terrible.

kitsunesnout

"here's where the unpopular part comes in....I can already see that it's downgrading is due to the fact that they may want to "release" it as a playable ship in the future." Well if they do that, then they've completely invalidated their reason for saying the Narada is too huge to put in lockbox. One can hope they'll relax on the issue of size.

evilmark444

daedalus304 wrote: »

So after seeing it in game, I have to say the ship itself isn't that big compared to what the original designer was intending it to be.

I mean this is a ship that was supposed to be able to have Galaxy Classes dock inside of it (not like hundreds of shuttles, more like a bigger DF in voyager). and it's actually much smaller.

here's where the unpopular part comes in....I can already see that it's downgrading is due to the fact that they may want to "release" it as a playable ship in the future.

anyone else see that?

I hope so ... perhaps it will be the Temporal skin available to a hypothetical T6 TOS Connie? Would kind of make sense since it's an enterprise, even though the sizes are VASTLY different (not really an issue since TOS and future ships can't be kitbashed together).

But even if that does happen, I'll still probably use the Excalibur skin on my eng, and the TOS skin on my TOS guy.

vengefuldjinn

I can see that, it's going to get pretty crowded around ESD !

Like it wasn't already, with all those Scimitars, D'deridex's, hell, most anything Romulan, Galaxies,Odysseys, the new and improved, (and galaxy sized !) KT connie and even BIGGER Vengeances !

evilmark444

vengefuldjinn wrote: »

I can see that, it's going to get pretty crowded around ESD !

Like it wasn't already, with all those Scimitars, D'deridex's, hell, most anything Romulan, Galaxies,Odysseys, the new and improved, (and galaxy sized !) KT connie and even BIGGER Vengeances !

"Helm, take us into ESD"

*ka-boom*

"What was that?"

"ESD sir, it's gone!"

"Damage report?"

"Some chipped paint, but that's all sir."

sorceror01

daedalus304 wrote: »

here's where the unpopular part comes in....I can already see that it's downgrading is due to the fact that they may want to "release" it as a playable ship in the future.

anyone else see that?

They're never gonna release it as playable.

Even at it's "downgraded" scale, so to speak, it's still far too large to be fit for players. It's on the same scale as a Borg Cube or a Voth City Ship.

There's some ships that are just never gonna be made for us, guys, and that's fine.

captsol

I doubt they'll ever make it a playable ship except maybe outside a special mission. Maybe. I do hope they fix the model, though. It's much too thin and the nacelles clip through the pylons.

captsol

crashdragon wrote: »

captsol wrote: »

I doubt they'll ever make it a playable ship except maybe outside a special mission. Maybe. I do hope they fix the model, though. It's much too thin and the nacelles clip through the pylons.

Ah, so I wasn't the only one to notice that.​​

Yeah. Well, I mean I can't blame the person who created it too much. It was his first time modelling a ship.

evilmark444

captsol wrote: »

I doubt they'll ever make it a playable ship except maybe outside a special mission. Maybe. I do hope they fix the model, though. It's much too thin and the nacelles clip through the pylons.

That's how it appeared in enterprise, so that's the canon look, nacelle clipping and all.

nickcastleton

i like it but i would not like it as a ship.

snoggymack22

gradii wrote: »

oh god that would be terrible.

If by terrible you mean, the greatest thing ever, then I agree! Because as much as i love, love LOVE Captain Shon, I really want to get to know the captain of the J. The VO work so far has me intrigued.

artan42

The Nerada is about 9 Km. For comparison the Tholian Tarantula is about 2 Km, the Dominion Dreadnought 1.5 Km, and the Ent J is 3.2 Km. The only ship that comes close is the Voth Citadel at approximately 9 Km.​​

Having a playable Ent J is nowhere near comparable. The J is only slightly bigger than the Tarantula so it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility.

snoggymack22

vengefuldjinn wrote: »

I can see that, it's going to get pretty crowded around ESD !

Like it wasn't already, with all those Scimitars, D'deridex's, hell, most anything Romulan, Galaxies,Odysseys, the new and improved, (and galaxy sized !) KT connie and even BIGGER Vengeances !

Luckily I'm here to help with that! Flying around in my brand spanking new, old old old school T6 Daedalus, I'm helping cut down on the space ships take up around ESD! No need to thank me.

captsol

evilmark444 wrote: »

captsol wrote: »

I doubt they'll ever make it a playable ship except maybe outside a special mission. Maybe. I do hope they fix the model, though. It's much too thin and the nacelles clip through the pylons.

That's how it appeared in enterprise, so that's the canon look, nacelle clipping and all.

Oh yeah? I'll have to re-watch that episode.

tacofangs

daedalus304 wrote: »

So after seeing it in game, I have to say the ship itself isn't that big compared to what the original designer was intending it to be.

I mean this is a ship that was supposed to be able to have Galaxy Classes dock inside of it (not like hundreds of shuttles, more like a bigger DF in voyager). and it's actually much smaller.

here's where the unpopular part comes in....I can already see that it's downgrading is due to the fact that they may want to "release" it as a playable ship in the future.

anyone else see that?

Huh?

Who said the J was supposed to dock Galaxies?

The ship was designed and built for Enterprise by Doug Drexler. Doug says that the ship is "about 2 miles long."

The ship I built is 3255.9m long. That's a hair over 2 miles.

The ship was not shrunk from it's intended size. Though it was never actually shown on screen (other than a schematic on a wall monitor). 2 miles just isn't THAT big. It's a big ship to be sure, but it's not ridiculously big. It's still dwarfed by the Voth Fortress. And it doesn't feel humongous once you've surrounded it with Scimitars and Vor'Chas.

captsol wrote: »

I doubt they'll ever make it a playable ship except maybe outside a special mission. Maybe. I do hope they fix the model, though. It's much too thin and the nacelles clip through the pylons.

Too thin? How so?

The Nacelles and the Pylons do not meet in the original model. I adjusted the nacelles slightly, so that there was a physical connection there.

tacofangs

Here's Doug Drexler's Facebook album on the Ent J. This is pretty much the ONLY thing I used as reference when building it. There are a million fan builds out there, but they are all inaccurate to the original.

https://www.facebook.com/doug.drexler.7/media_set?set=a.10151605834536104.1073741927.570346103&type=3





And I just posted some images of my ship, over the Art Section, including some Orthographics you can use for comparison:

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1218199/vitamin-j/p1?new=1

khayuung

With changes to the timeline the EJ and the Narada have shrunk.

Done.

kitsunesnout

Huh, well I guess context really does play funny tricks with sense of scale. Though I WAS flying a Daemosh when I played that mission, guess I didn't get close enough. Still seemed rather small to me oddly enough.

daedalus304

sorceror01 wrote: »

daedalus304 wrote: »

here's where the unpopular part comes in....I can already see that it's downgrading is due to the fact that they may want to "release" it as a playable ship in the future.

anyone else see that?

They're never gonna release it as playable.

Even at it's "downgraded" scale, so to speak, it's still far too large to be fit for players. It's on the same scale as a Borg Cube or a Voth City Ship.

There's some ships that are just never gonna be made for us, guys, and that's fine.

we did some measuring in that field...it's twice the width of a Vengance, but only 0.5x the length.

it is very much within size range. and to be honest....it's pretty dang small for what it's supposed to be.

tacofangs

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angarus1

snoggymack22 wrote: »

gradii wrote: »

oh god that would be terrible.

If by terrible you mean, the greatest thing ever, then I agree! Because as much as i love, love LOVE Captain Shon, I really want to get to know the captain of the J. The VO work so far has me intrigued.

They did mention a Captain Dax.

starkaos

tacofangs wrote: »

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Can we get this ship for the next Winter Event? I feel like Q is not living up to his potential with giving us ships that defy physics and common sense. An animated Enterprise-J or balloon ship would certainly fit with Q's style over Breen ships.