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Boycott the DIL exchange!

solafide420solafide420 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
Look, I get it...prices do rise, it happens, but...

DIL went from 425 a zen to the 470's in one day, thats ridiculous, greedy, and wrong. Oldest trick in the book, raise prices, get people used to paying more, then people wont complain when the new norm is 450+ a zen for DIL, but where will it end? It will just keep going up and up unless we do something, and do something NOW!

Don't let them get away with it! Yes, you should get fair value for your zen, but raising prices that fast? No, we do not have to stand for it, and if we stand together, they will think twice before they try to manipulate prices again...if we work together we can all benefit, boycott the DIL exchange and just sit back and marvel how fast the prices drop after they see no DIL in their coffers after a few days, but we all have to do this, together!

Take a stand for fair market value, boycott the DIL exchange!!!

Thanks fellow Star Travelers!

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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,916 Arc User
    I haven't used the dil exchange in over a year. And I don't intend to as long as prices are that unreasonable.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • solafide420solafide420 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    I haven't used the dil exchange in over a year. And I don't intend to as long as prices are that unreasonable.

    Good deal, thanks for the great response!

  • sqwishedsqwished Member Posts: 1,475 Bug Hunter
    Well considering its player driven and no dilithium sinks in game what would you expect? I think people have been spoilt for so long having the exchange low for so long. If anyone has any common sense then they'll be hanging on to their dilithium for the time being.
    Oh, it's not broken? We can soon fix that!

  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,916 Arc User
    Exactly. I have better uses for my dil than to trade it for those piddling amounts of zen.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • reynoldsxdreynoldsxd Member Posts: 977 Arc User
    You could always just pay 10 dollar now, get zen, then wait til lthe price is at 500 and sell for 499..... and go on hoardign dil until the price drops.

    Then convert it back like a pro.
  • kellvardosielkellvardosiel Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    Don't boycott, lowball. Offer what you think is fair, or a little less. People can't buy what's not for sale. I have a bunch of Dil on the exchange, for 250/Zen. It will stay there until someone buys it.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,481 Arc User
    OP i can appreciate the sentiment and i am anything but happy with the extremely high dilithium exchange rates.
    Having said that, there are several topics about this already and this one serves no purpose other than to clutter the forum.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    I haven't used the dil exchange in over a year. And I don't intend to as long as prices are that unreasonable.

    And what would be a reasonable price?

    Basically, this is telling others to sell their Zen cheaper. I think that's slightly arrogant. And somewhat unreasonable if it's coming from people who do not wish to spend money on the game themselves.
  • solafide420solafide420 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    OP i can appreciate the sentiment and i am anything but happy with the extremely high dilithium exchange rates.
    Having said that, there are several topics about this already and this one serves no purpose other than to clutter the forum.

    Judging from the great responses, I would say this isn't clutter at all..just a suggestion, and I do appreciate the feedback, but if you think a post is clutter, then just move on, and I don't really see anything calling for the right cure, a boycott, pure and simple..Thanks!
  • solafide420solafide420 Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    I haven't used the dil exchange in over a year. And I don't intend to as long as prices are that unreasonable.

    And what would be a reasonable price?

    Basically, this is telling others to sell their Zen cheaper. I think that's slightly arrogant. And somewhat unreasonable if it's coming from people who do not wish to spend money on the game themselves.

    I have played since beta, and whats arrogant is someone assuming just because we want fair market value, I am a freeloader..I'll bet you 100 bucks worth of ZEN I have spent more than you, want to lose a 100 bucks big mouth?
  • sinn74sinn74 Member Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    Dil is so easy to get, there's very little reason to buy it with Zen. It isn't greed, it's a case of a little desired commodity (dilithium) for a much desired commodity (Zen). You can't call players greedy because they don't want to buy something they likely are swimming in already.
  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    I haven't used the dil exchange in over a year. And I don't intend to as long as prices are that unreasonable.

    And what would be a reasonable price?

    Basically, this is telling others to sell their Zen cheaper. I think that's slightly arrogant. And somewhat unreasonable if it's coming from people who do not wish to spend money on the game themselves.

    I have played since beta, and whats arrogant is someone assuming just because we want fair market value, I am a freeloader..I'll bet you 100 bucks worth of ZEN I have spent more than you, want to lose a 100 bucks big mouth?

    You should have posted more in all that time.
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  • tacticalrooktacticalrook Member Posts: 810 Arc User
    reynoldsxd wrote: »
    You could always just pay 10 dollar now, get zen, then wait til lthe price is at 500 and sell for 499..... and go on hoardign dil until the price drops.

    Then convert it back like a pro.

    This is how the "pros" do it, eh?
    /channel_join grind
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,916 Arc User
    risian4 wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    I haven't used the dil exchange in over a year. And I don't intend to as long as prices are that unreasonable.

    And what would be a reasonable price?

    Basically, this is telling others to sell their Zen cheaper. I think that's slightly arrogant. And somewhat unreasonable if it's coming from people who do not wish to spend money on the game themselves.

    I said exactly what I wanted to say. I won't use the dil exchange as long as prices stay unreasonable. Now what's unreasonable for me may not be unreasonable for someone else.

    But I did not tell anyone to sell cheaper. Stop reading things into what I say and take them at face value.

    *Basically* what I said was that I wasn't going to use the exchange while prices stayed these ridiculous prices, but nowhere did I tell anyone to sell cheaper. Those are two different things.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    [Quote]I have played since beta, and whats arrogant is someone assuming just because we want fair market value, I am a freeloader..I'll bet you 100 bucks worth of ZEN I have spent more than you, want to lose a 100 bucks big mouth?[/quote]

    The price that zen goes for is definitionally a fair market price - it is the price that, by their behavior, both zen sellers and dilithium traders have agreed is fair - the price set by the market. It might not be the price you want, or the price that makes you happy, but it is definitionally the fair market price.

    After all, trading is still happening, briskly.
  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    I am with @solafide420 on this, there should be a boycott of the exchange!

    Therefore, I call upon all of the Zen sellers to not sell thier Zen on the exchange until a time where the dil' sellers stop calling Zen sellers negative things.
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    risian4 wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    I haven't used the dil exchange in over a year. And I don't intend to as long as prices are that unreasonable.

    And what would be a reasonable price?

    Basically, this is telling others to sell their Zen cheaper. I think that's slightly arrogant. And somewhat unreasonable if it's coming from people who do not wish to spend money on the game themselves.

    I have played since beta, and whats arrogant is someone assuming just because we want fair market value, I am a freeloader..I'll bet you 100 bucks worth of ZEN I have spent more than you, want to lose a 100 bucks big mouth?

    Where did I ever say that I was referring specifically to you? My comment was directed at the 'boycot the dilithium exchange'-crowd in general, most of whom often immediately admitted that they did not wish or could not spend real life money on the game.

    You're not the first person to post a thread like this one after all.

    But of course, keep thinking this is all about you. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, since it's coming from someone who, and that's the thing you ignored, wants to tell others for how much they should sell THEIR Zen. You also didn't answer the question: who are you to determine that the price is 'ridiculous', and assume that people are greedy etc.

    Hypocrite much?
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    Funny... a call to influence others people's behaviour (made by a wannabe revolutionary leader so it seems) and slandering and calling names of everyone who dares to sell his Zen at a price he prefers, a title that ends with an exclamation mark and I'm 'mister big mouth'.
  • kellvardosielkellvardosiel Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    No, I'm the one who said sell cheaper, and I stand by it. My reasonable price is 250, and I offer it. A boycott will lower prices, after the market slows down, but active counter-offers will move things faster.
    There...Are...FOUR... Anomalies
  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    nadiezja wrote: »
    I have played since beta, and whats arrogant is someone assuming just because we want fair market value, I am a freeloader..I'll bet you 100 bucks worth of ZEN I have spent more than you, want to lose a 100 bucks big mouth?

    The price that zen goes for is definitionally a fair market price - it is the price that, by their behavior, both zen sellers and dilithium traders have agreed is fair - the price set by the market. It might not be the price you want, or the price that makes you happy, but it is definitionally the fair market price.

    After all, trading is still happening, briskly.

    Both parties get what they want at the price they both must agree to. It is the ultimate in fairness. The unfairness comes when the zen sellers cannot charge more than the artificial cap placed on them.
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  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    "Fair" is entirely subjective in this context, and is therefore meaningless. This thread might as well be titled "Boycott the exercise of free will!" because that's what this sentiment amounts to: people making choices that someone doesn't like.
  • whamhammer1whamhammer1 Member Posts: 2,290 Arc User
    edited June 2016
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    @solafide420

    In the words of a great man "I dunna think, the word means what you think it means".

    Do you know what "fair market value" even means? Fair market value is the prevailing price range that the market is paying. If you want fair market value, you already have it!

    I've been here since beta as well, and spent a fair amount of change in support of this game too. I have bought and sold Zen on the exchange as well, so that makes me just as qualified as anyone else here to speak to this issue.

    Calling people who spend money on game product, and then offer to sell it for currency that didnt cost money, "greedy" because you (and others) dont agree with the exhange rate and think it should be lower is not only arrogant but "greedy" , and childish, in its own right.

    I extend my personal, and heartfelt appology that things arent going you way but its time for you to realize, and accept that you desires do not create a condition as to where its other peoples responsibility to satisfy you.
  • tacticalrooktacticalrook Member Posts: 810 Arc User
    Eventually a major change to the game will coincide with one of these "boycott" threads, and the "boycott" folks will believe they've finally managed to affect the dilex with one of their "protests". You know, a "Boycotters 1, Ferengi 99" sort of reaction.
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  • nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    [Quote] Both parties get what they want at the price they both must agree to. It is the ultimate in fairness. The unfairness comes when the zen sellers cannot charge more than the artificial cap placed on them.[/quote] Tis true. Thankfully, the agreed-on price - fair market price - is staying below that cap. When it hits the cap is when things will get bad, because if the Zen sellers cannot get a fair price they will stop selling.
  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    Hahahahaha.

    This is getting so stupid. Ill boycott, I will pul my Zen and wait until the exchange maxes out. You need my zen more then I need your dil.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,461 Arc User
    The fact that players continue to buy Zen with Dil on top of there being no Dil sinks to use that Dil with at the moment is a huge indicator that the current price is the player's fault by majority, not Cryptic's!
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  • stobg2015stobg2015 Member Posts: 800 Arc User
    Boycott, no boycott... it's not even necessary to discuss. People will sell what they want to sell at the price they decide they want, and people will buy what they want to buy at the price they're willing to pay.

    Don't want to buy zen at that price? Fine, don't. It'll come down eventually if people want to sell it badly enough/ need dilithium.

    The Dil exchange is entirely market-driven, and that shouldn't change. I rarely ever buy dil, though I wouldn't say I'm swimming in it, and I generally have better things to do with my zen. So I don't much care and I can wait until the price drops. I basically side with the zen sellers anyway... real money is more precious than imaginary money is, IMO.

    Instead of calling for boycotts, asking for more things to spend dilithium on would drive demand and be more productive.
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  • thekodanarmada#7342 thekodanarmada Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    In all seriousness, there's no point to not listing your own zen storage for sale at 500 dilithium. At worst, you get the same value when it hits and stays at the cap. Otherwise, you secure your place in line and can rebuy slightly lower (better value!) with the tiny fluctuations that always occur in these markets.
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    stobg2015 wrote: »
    Boycott, no boycott... it's not even necessary to discuss. People will sell what they want to sell at the price they decide they want, and people will buy what they want to buy at the price they're willing to pay.

    Don't want to buy zen at that price? Fine, don't. It'll come down eventually if people want to sell it badly enough/ need dilithium.

    The Dil exchange is entirely market-driven, and that shouldn't change. I rarely ever buy dil, though I wouldn't say I'm swimming in it, and I generally have better things to do with my zen. So I don't much care and I can wait until the price drops. I basically side with the zen sellers anyway... real money is more precious than imaginary money is, IMO.

    Instead of calling for boycotts, asking for more things to spend dilithium on would drive demand and be more productive.

    Well it's almost entirely market-driven. There is still the cap at 500 dil/zen.

    Agreed with the point though: trying to influence the behaviour of the players is pointless. Cause even if you have some success and the price comes down, players and speculators will immediately buy again and drive it back up.

    It's pointless, really. People like the OP indeed better focus on the things that currently affect the price, instead of trying to manipulate or influence it directly. Such behaviour won't achieve anything, at least it will have no long-term effects.
  • bengahlbengahl Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    meanwhile people profiting off of all this would be like.. "mmmm, salt."
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