And... confirmation that the enterprise gets destroyed...
Enh, wouldn't be the first time an Enterprise has been destroyed in a movie.
Gives them the opportunity to cook up a refit design at least.
Good may it be the last. And we finally get a new Star Trek movie. Until then, I'm still waiting for a Star Trek movie. Nemesis was the last and one of the best. We are due for a Star Trek movie.
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And... confirmation that the enterprise gets destroyed...
Enh, wouldn't be the first time an Enterprise has been destroyed in a movie.
Gives them the opportunity to cook up a refit design at least.
Good may it be the last. And we finally get a new Star Trek movie. Until then, I'm still waiting for a Star Trek movie. Nemesis was the last and one of the best. We are due for a Star Trek movie.
And... confirmation that the enterprise gets destroyed...
Enh, wouldn't be the first time an Enterprise has been destroyed in a movie.
Gives them the opportunity to cook up a refit design at least.
Good may it be the last. And we finally get a new Star Trek movie. Until then, I'm still waiting for a Star Trek movie. Nemesis was the last and one of the best. We are due for a Star Trek movie.
@azrael605 Oops, i got my minutiae slightly wrong sorry. I dont observe "KTrek" so i dont feel bad. Doesnt change the content of my *****. The plot was still unbelievable and silly.
At best he should have received a big shiny medal for saving earth and got his "academic probation" forgiven and maybe a battlefield commission to the rank of Ensign. And grew his career as normal. With that big shiny medal and fame he would have risen the ranks at a faster pace and gotten cherry assignments. But i find it offensive to give him Capt stripes and manage a ship and lives if you arent qualified.
Dude at least pay attention to the story if your going to ****, he was only under academic probation, not expulsion, which ceased to be a factor at all when Pine gave him a field commission. Also, he wasn't a mediocre student, he was accelerated study, as the KM test is normally for 4th years and Kirk ALWAYS cheated on the KM.
The only real difference is in the original universe it got him a commendation for original thinking.
Im betting the actual difference was ...
Getting to actually defend his choice to do so rather than having the whole thing go into limbo becuase of a sudden emergency?
Or did nobody remember that the hearing had just gotten started?
Can we pretend that Star Fleet is a real organization made up of real people for a moment...? So, 800 people came off the Kelvin feeling like one guy was an unbelievable badass who gave his life so that you personally could survive. The hero whose sacrifice facilitated an absolute technological revolution that has catapulted the Federation forward literally decades. 20 years later those 800 people have migrated up into all kinds of positions of authority inside Star Fleet and along comes the son of that man, visibly following in dad's footsteps, hand picked and blessed by Captain Pike, and showing every sign of being the decisive and creative genius that his father was.
Kirk has a literal ARMY of influential supporters in Star Fleet that he may never see or speak to, but who all want the very best for him. He could all but murder the Federation president in broad day-light and still come away with a promotion. No BS saving the Earth from the very clear and present threat of becoming "the Vulcan Implosion, part II" when the rest of Star Fleet was in the wrong system entirely is just gilding the lily. The question isn't 'how did Kirk get a command?' ('cause that's just a given at that point), it's how many other heads rolled for abandoning Earth when Nero came plowing in in pretty much a straight line?
And... confirmation that the enterprise gets destroyed...
Enh, wouldn't be the first time an Enterprise has been destroyed in a movie.
Gives them the opportunity to cook up a refit design at least.
Good may it be the last. And we finally get a new Star Trek movie. Until then, I'm still waiting for a Star Trek movie. Nemesis was the last and one of the best. We are due for a Star Trek movie.
I think I enjoyed the past two movies as sci-fi films and not trek films. The less I tried to compare them to trek and to make them fit into the whole thing the better they got. Bet the new one will make things easier but will still be the same.
Although a bit harsh you are right with your post in my opinion. The whole JJ stuff is all fine and good but my trekie heart always hurts when I think about them.
It is quiet sad actually because with a bit of respect towards the franchise they could have delivered awesome movies without limiting themselves in any way.
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Can we pretend that Star Fleet is a real organization made up of real people for a moment...? So, 800 people came off the Kelvin feeling like one guy was an unbelievable badass who gave his life so that you personally could survive. The hero whose sacrifice facilitated an absolute technological revolution that has catapulted the Federation forward literally decades. 20 years later those 800 people have migrated up into all kinds of positions of authority inside Star Fleet and along comes the son of that man, visibly following in dad's footsteps, hand picked and blessed by Captain Pike, and showing every sign of being the decisive and creative genius that his father was.
Kirk has a literal ARMY of influential supporters in Star Fleet that he may never see or speak to, but who all want the very best for him. He could all but murder the Federation president in broad day-light and still come away with a promotion. No BS saving the Earth from the very clear and present threat of becoming "the Vulcan Implosion, part II" when the rest of Star Fleet was in the wrong system entirely is just gilding the lily. The question isn't 'how did Kirk get a command?' ('cause that's just a given at that point), it's how many other heads rolled for abandoning Earth when Nero came plowing in in pretty much a straight line?
I wonder about historical precedent... But I think there is none where a cadet academy took command over a group of other cadets after their commander died and saved, say, a whole city from certain destruction against an invading enemy that already destroyed one city.
At this point there is no discussion anymore if this person would be fit to command. What do you think one could still learn at the academy that this guy hasn't already put into practice? The thing he needs to learn now are the lessons only life teaches you.
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Well, he could still learn the lessons PrimeKirk learned at the Academy, about taming his impulsiveness (and the wisdom of condoms while conducting "interstellar diplomacy") - in fact, that's part of what life starts teaching him in Into Dorkness.
And watching these movies makes my old Trekkie heart swell with glee, because these are younger versions of the guys I grew up watching, before they all got old like me and started worrying about stuff. Chris Pine's Kirk is exactly the sort of cowboy you just knew Shatner's Kirk wanted to be back when he was fresh out of the Academy. Quinto's Spock is still struggling with how to balance his Human and Vulcan selves, something Nimoy's Spock was still uneasy with until the end of The Motionless Picture. Karl Urban's McCoy is still angry at his past self, developing into the grumpy country doc portrayed by DeForest Kelley. It all sparks moments from my childhood, as I watched that grand old lady cruise across the screen before her color-coded heroes would beam down in a shower of golden sparks to meet the menace of the week.
Well, he could still learn the lessons PrimeKirk learned at the Academy, about taming his impulsiveness (and the wisdom of condoms while conducting "interstellar diplomacy") - in fact, that's part of what life starts teaching him in Into Dorkness.
I don't know if they actually teach that at the Academy. If they even can do that. Being an actual officer (without a starship to captain) would probably do it, though, and yes, that's his problem of ID - not the lack of skill or talent, the lack of discipline and experience.
I think the trailers point out the biggest difference between Prime Kirk and Kelvin Kirk - Kelvin Kirk joined Starfleet on a dare. I think Prime Kirk joined for the same reason his father did - because he believed in Starfleet.
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I have a friend who likes Nemesis, but the first Trek film he saw was the 2009 one when I made him watch it with me as payback for making me sit through Trekkies.
hey I sorta like Nemesis... but 'best ever'???!!!?!?!? not by a mile
I mean hell supposedly even Stewart thought the thing was so stupid he refused unless they let him do some kinda vehicle race.. hence the Argo
No. That's just the size of the next Enterprise.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
... Yeah, something is missing alright, common sense in story development.
Expecting this from anything touched by JJ Abrams is expecting too much.
As for the trailer, Rihanna could be dancing around buck nekked and it still wouldn't entice me into spending money to see this movie.
THAT, I would pay double to see.
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He only completed 3 years of the Academy and was about to be expelled, then when from mediocre 3rd year student with discipline probems to a ship Captain in the course of how many days/hours? The career officers who were years into their career let alone actually graduated must have been like "you the eff do you think you are, why must i call you sir, i am a Lt. and you are a friggin 3rd year cadet and your ordering me around, do you even know what your doing, have you even left the solar system yet?"
After they beat Nero he should have been kicked off the ship, but no, here comes a sequel and everyone is pretending he has been in starfleet for 20 years and is the greatest captain since sliced bread.
Yeah, something is missing alright, common sense in story development.
OMG here we go again.
On this very forum we came to an agreement that field promotions happen IRL. Also sometimes a lower rank officer is put in charge of an operation where even if he's outranked in that operation he has the command.
I hope in the new series we will get episodes where chain of command and military politics will be the main story. We need such an episode in every season.
I dont know, there's something about the details of this film that's bugging me.
I can get over the Enterprise getting its **** kicked in every movie since 09, its fine. Kirk sounding more and more depressed with himself and his life, that's ok too its character development..
But there's just something.. missing? Maybe its just me.
This,
The Enterprise is a character just as much as her crew, seeing her constantly getting her butt handed to her is NOT fun and TBH constantly seeing the Enterprise as the underdog, hopelessly outclassed just doesn't feel like Trek.
I have every Trek movie in my personal Blue ray collection up to Into the Darkness, I have no desire to include that movie in my collection.
I can't speak for Beyond yet, but I suspect my trend may hold.
He only completed 3 years of the Academy and was about to be expelled, then when from mediocre 3rd year student with discipline probems to a ship Captain in the course of how many days/hours? The career officers who were years into their career let alone actually graduated must have been like "you the eff do you think you are, why must i call you sir, i am a Lt. and you are a friggin 3rd year cadet and your ordering me around, do you even know what your doing, have you even left the solar system yet?"
After they beat Nero he should have been kicked off the ship, but no, here comes a sequel and everyone is pretending he has been in starfleet for 20 years and is the greatest captain since sliced bread.
Yeah, something is missing alright, common sense in story development.
OMG here we go again.
On this very forum we came to an agreement that field promotions happen IRL. Also sometimes a lower rank officer is put in charge of an operation where even if he's outranked in that operation he has the command.
I hope in the new series we will get episodes where chain of command and military politics will be the main story. We need such an episode in every season.
And then there's the fact Starfleet is not a 21st century military (or a military at all) and prompts people differently. Would Rikers career be over in the 21st century US Navy? Yes. Would Nog have assumed command over the ship full of cadets? Yes. Would Kirk have been able to demote Decker? No. Face it, Starfleet promotes people for all sorts of reasons, saving the quadrant from Nero is a pretty good one.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
saving the quadrant from Nero is a pretty good one.
Tru dat. Also at end of the first film he graduated from the academy. And with Pike in wheelchair he got the command of Enterprise.
...as Pike, in his capacity as captain of a ship, had both given Kirk a field commission (those do happen, BTW) and appointed him as first officer - meaning that when Pike was incapacitated, Kirk became ship's captain, unless removed by Starfleet Command (and here's where that old-boy-network mentioned earlier kept him in the center seat until Pike took in back in ID).
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Good may it be the last. And we finally get a new Star Trek movie. Until then, I'm still waiting for a Star Trek movie. Nemesis was the last and one of the best. We are due for a Star Trek movie.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha! Wow.
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Oops, i got my minutiae slightly wrong sorry. I dont observe "KTrek" so i dont feel bad.
Doesnt change the content of my *****. The plot was still unbelievable and silly.
At best he should have received a big shiny medal for saving earth and got his "academic probation" forgiven and maybe a battlefield commission to the rank of Ensign. And grew his career as normal. With that big shiny medal and fame he would have risen the ranks at a faster pace and gotten cherry assignments. But i find it offensive to give him Capt stripes and manage a ship and lives if you arent qualified.
Getting to actually defend his choice to do so rather than having the whole thing go into limbo becuase of a sudden emergency?
Or did nobody remember that the hearing had just gotten started?
Kirk has a literal ARMY of influential supporters in Star Fleet that he may never see or speak to, but who all want the very best for him. He could all but murder the Federation president in broad day-light and still come away with a promotion. No BS saving the Earth from the very clear and present threat of becoming "the Vulcan Implosion, part II" when the rest of Star Fleet was in the wrong system entirely is just gilding the lily. The question isn't 'how did Kirk get a command?' ('cause that's just a given at that point), it's how many other heads rolled for abandoning Earth when Nero came plowing in in pretty much a straight line?
I think I enjoyed the past two movies as sci-fi films and not trek films. The less I tried to compare them to trek and to make them fit into the whole thing the better they got. Bet the new one will make things easier but will still be the same.
Although a bit harsh you are right with your post in my opinion. The whole JJ stuff is all fine and good but my trekie heart always hurts when I think about them.
It is quiet sad actually because with a bit of respect towards the franchise they could have delivered awesome movies without limiting themselves in any way.
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well... there had to be ONE person out there that thought that I guess...
I wonder about historical precedent... But I think there is none where a cadet academy took command over a group of other cadets after their commander died and saved, say, a whole city from certain destruction against an invading enemy that already destroyed one city.
At this point there is no discussion anymore if this person would be fit to command. What do you think one could still learn at the academy that this guy hasn't already put into practice? The thing he needs to learn now are the lessons only life teaches you.
Make that two please.
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And watching these movies makes my old Trekkie heart swell with glee, because these are younger versions of the guys I grew up watching, before they all got old like me and started worrying about stuff. Chris Pine's Kirk is exactly the sort of cowboy you just knew Shatner's Kirk wanted to be back when he was fresh out of the Academy. Quinto's Spock is still struggling with how to balance his Human and Vulcan selves, something Nimoy's Spock was still uneasy with until the end of The Motionless Picture. Karl Urban's McCoy is still angry at his past self, developing into the grumpy country doc portrayed by DeForest Kelley. It all sparks moments from my childhood, as I watched that grand old lady cruise across the screen before her color-coded heroes would beam down in a shower of golden sparks to meet the menace of the week.
I think the trailers point out the biggest difference between Prime Kirk and Kelvin Kirk - Kelvin Kirk joined Starfleet on a dare. I think Prime Kirk joined for the same reason his father did - because he believed in Starfleet.
hey I sorta like Nemesis... but 'best ever'???!!!?!?!? not by a mile
I mean hell supposedly even Stewart thought the thing was so stupid he refused unless they let him do some kinda vehicle race.. hence the Argo
No. That's just the size of the next Enterprise.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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THAT, I would pay double to see.
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Word.
It's pretty much this hard to keep just one timeline intact. ♪
I dunno... even Pegg was choking on that first one
OMG here we go again.
On this very forum we came to an agreement that field promotions happen IRL. Also sometimes a lower rank officer is put in charge of an operation where even if he's outranked in that operation he has the command.
I hope in the new series we will get episodes where chain of command and military politics will be the main story. We need such an episode in every season.
This,
The Enterprise is a character just as much as her crew, seeing her constantly getting her butt handed to her is NOT fun and TBH constantly seeing the Enterprise as the underdog, hopelessly outclassed just doesn't feel like Trek.
I have every Trek movie in my personal Blue ray collection up to Into the Darkness, I have no desire to include that movie in my collection.
I can't speak for Beyond yet, but I suspect my trend may hold.
And then there's the fact Starfleet is not a 21st century military (or a military at all) and prompts people differently. Would Rikers career be over in the 21st century US Navy? Yes. Would Nog have assumed command over the ship full of cadets? Yes. Would Kirk have been able to demote Decker? No. Face it, Starfleet promotes people for all sorts of reasons, saving the quadrant from Nero is a pretty good one.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Tru dat. Also at end of the first film he graduated from the academy. And with Pike in wheelchair he got the command of Enterprise.