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autumnturningautumnturning Member Posts: 743 Arc User
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10025363-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after
The shuttle bay at Earth Space Dock comes alive with color as the warm sunlight pours in through the bay doors, creating a nice contrast with the cool blue of the force fields.

Uh ... sunlight is that color after passing through the Earth's atmosphere. So that's the right color for sunlight on the surface of the Earth, such as down in Starfleet Academy, but it's the wrong color mix for sunlight in orbit. Sunlight in orbit is ... white ... not warm golden.

If you need a reference for this sort of thing, feel free to contact either NASA or JPL or any SoCal university with a decent astronomy department (a grad student could give you the answer for this one) for getting the "proper" color mix for direct sunlight in space ... since this is supposed to be Earth SPACE Dock. You're also going to want that to be a very "hard" light source with sharp shadows if that's sunlight.

Easy enough to fix, I should hope, but something you'll want to give to the Environment people to update. Over to you, Laughing Trendy ...

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  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10025363-star-trek-online:-weekly-before-and-after
    The shuttle bay at Earth Space Dock comes alive with color as the warm sunlight pours in through the bay doors, creating a nice contrast with the cool blue of the force fields.

    Uh ... sunlight is that color after passing through the Earth's atmosphere. So that's the right color for sunlight on the surface of the Earth, such as down in Starfleet Academy, but it's the wrong color mix for sunlight in orbit. Sunlight in orbit is ... white ... not warm golden.

    If you need a reference for this sort of thing, feel free to contact either NASA or JPL or any SoCal university with a decent astronomy department (a grad student could give you the answer for this one) for getting the "proper" color mix for direct sunlight in space ... since this is supposed to be Earth SPACE Dock. You're also going to want that to be a very "hard" light source with sharp shadows if that's sunlight.

    Easy enough to fix, I should hope, but something you'll want to give to the Environment people to update. Over to you, Laughing Trendy ...

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  • autumnturningautumnturning Member Posts: 743 Arc User
    Well, I should certainly hope this image doesn't represent a final product! I would like to think there is time to fix a problem as simple as "sunlight in space doesn't look the same as sunlight on the surface of an M class planet" ...
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Nope. Yellow sunlight in ST in space is canon.​​
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  • autumnturningautumnturning Member Posts: 743 Arc User
    Doesn't change the fact that direct sunlight from our local G2 star is WHITE in space, but looks "golden" to our eyes down here on the surface of the Earth, due to the interference of the atmosphere of our planet.

    To us ground-bound "Earthers" our Sun looks "yellow" ... but seen from space, it is actually "white" ... and it would be nice if the art used for Earth Space Dock got that *right*, even if a movie/television studio didn't know any better when they did it.
  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    Doesn't change the fact that direct sunlight from our local G2 star is WHITE in space, but looks "golden" to our eyes down here on the surface of the Earth, due to the interference of the atmosphere of our planet.

    To us ground-bound "Earthers" our Sun looks "yellow" ... but seen from space, it is actually "white" ... and it would be nice if the art used for Earth Space Dock got that *right*, even if a movie/television studio didn't know any better when they did it.

    Perhaps it only looks yellow, due to the light being refracted through the Starbase, as it does have an atmosphere, of sorts?
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  • phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    And Star Trek is known for it's realism when it comes to lighting.

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    Don't even get me started on the lighting on ships flying through deep space...

    I get that you want some scientific accuracy, there's nothing wrong with that. But then again, I think it looks cool from an art standpoint, so I'm not too worried about it. They're obviously upping their game while they're revamping the lighting on everything to make things look more dramatic and/or pleasing to the eye.

    Movie lighting - and thus game lighting - is almost never realistic when it comes to both color and source.

    People don't walk around with a light highlighting the back of their head all the time, and there's almost never a blue light hovering up in the air shining down through the trees when I walk through the woods at night either. yet we see those examples all the time in movies.

    In my opinion, dramatic and artistic lighting always trumps realism in forms of entertainment. It's designed to set a mood not to be accurate, and I prefer it that way.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    It looks better yellow.

    Artistic licence.
  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    bltrrn wrote: »
    Doesn't change the fact that direct sunlight from our local G2 star is WHITE in space, but looks "golden" to our eyes down here on the surface of the Earth, due to the interference of the atmosphere of our planet.

    To us ground-bound "Earthers" our Sun looks "yellow" ... but seen from space, it is actually "white" ... and it would be nice if the art used for Earth Space Dock got that *right*, even if a movie/television studio didn't know any better when they did it.

    Perhaps it only looks yellow, due to the light being refracted through the Starbase, as it does have an atmosphere, of sorts?

    Though a starbase wouldn't have nearly as much atmosphere as a planet.
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  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    bltrrn wrote: »
    Doesn't change the fact that direct sunlight from our local G2 star is WHITE in space, but looks "golden" to our eyes down here on the surface of the Earth, due to the interference of the atmosphere of our planet.

    To us ground-bound "Earthers" our Sun looks "yellow" ... but seen from space, it is actually "white" ... and it would be nice if the art used for Earth Space Dock got that *right*, even if a movie/television studio didn't know any better when they did it.

    Perhaps it only looks yellow, due to the light being refracted through the Starbase, as it does have an atmosphere, of sorts?

    Though a starbase wouldn't have nearly as much atmosphere as a planet.

    I know, but is there any better explanation; "because canon" isn't a very scientific one?
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  • autumnturningautumnturning Member Posts: 743 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    I already know that Cryptic can't be relied on for orbital mechanics. Just look at Risa.

    Suns rise in the north and set in the south.
    Moons rise in the east and set in the west.

    What kind of planet would do that? This one for starters ...

    As for "artistic license" ... that's why ships make lots of engine noise in the vacuum of space, and why constant thrust equals constant velocity ... in space. By the same token, every bit of Technobabble is also canon ... even though we know it's all rubbish and meaningless. Doesn't mean we have to perpetuate these "mistakes" forever. Indeed, I'd even argue that it would be admirable to at least TRY to get closer to what "ought to be" when we have the opportunity to do so.

    I pointed out an opportunity to do so. Earth Space Dock shouldn't have GOLDEN sunlight streaming into it, it should have WHITE sunlight streaming into it because it's in SPACE. Golden sunlight means you're on the ground, not in space. It really is that simple. It's also a very simple visual cue that "tells you" that You're Not In Kansas Anymore (or Iowa if you're a Kirk fan) which then helps "sell" the location as being somewhere other than just on the ground.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    And yet it still looks better yellow.
  • bltrrnbltrrn Member Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    I already know that Cryptic can't be relied on for orbital mechanics. Just look at Risa.

    Suns rise in the north and set in the south.
    Moons rise in the east and set in the west.

    What kind of planet would do that? This one for starters ...

    As for "artistic license" ... that's why ships make lots of engine noise in the vacuum of space, and why constant thrust equals constant velocity ... in space. By the same token, every bit of Technobabble is also canon ... even though we know it's all rubbish and meaningless. Doesn't mean we have to perpetuate these "mistakes" forever. Indeed, I'd even argue that it would be admirable to at least TRY to get closer to what "ought to be" when we have the opportunity to do so.

    I pointed out an opportunity to do so. Earth Space Dock shouldn't have GOLDEN sunlight streaming into it, it should have WHITE sunlight streaming into it because it's in SPACE. Golden sunlight means you're on the ground, not in space. It really is that simple. It's also a very simple visual cue that "tells you" that You're Not In Kansas Anymore (or Iowa if you're a Kirk fan) which then helps "sell" the location as being somewhere other than just on the ground.

    *applauds*
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    warpangel wrote: »
    And yet it still looks better yellow.
    Exactly.


    I know, Star Trek fans like to believe in the illusion that Star Trke science fiction is a bit more realistic then of something like, say, Star Wars. It certainly cares more about how it all works. But it's really still mostly ruled by "what looks good on the TV". When Star Trek couldn't afford space combat battles, space combat happened even at warp speed and not being able to go warp is a serious drawback. When Star Trek can afford space combat, it involves ships fighting at extremely close range and slow sublight speeds. When Star Trek tech advisors write technical manuals, it claims ship weapon ranges are 300,000 km or more, and torpedoes can travel at near sublight speed or even above the speed of light (when fired at warp). If they can afford shield SFX, ship shields are optionally large bubbles or close to the hull, if they can't, they are invisible and ships explode as if there weren't shields at all.


    Yellow sunlight just looks way cooler than white one, and that is that.

    Maybe one day there will be a new Science Fiction franchise that can afford to be more accurate to reality...
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  • autumnturningautumnturning Member Posts: 743 Arc User
    Yellow sunlight just looks like what someone who has never been in space would expect it to look like, and that is that.
    Fixed it for you.
    Maybe one day there will be a new Science Fiction franchise that can afford to be more accurate to reality...
    Excuse me? Are you really trying to argue that changing a hex code for a lighting color is TOO EXPENSIVE in $$$ to change in a computer game?
  • phenomenaut01phenomenaut01 Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    Maybe one day there will be a new Science Fiction franchise that can afford to be more accurate to reality...
    Excuse me? Are you really trying to argue that changing a hex code for a lighting color is TOO EXPENSIVE in $$$ to change in a computer game?

    No, they are saying that it's Star Trek, where "looks cool" trumps "scientifically accurate" every single time. You're right about it not being accurate, but ultimately, it doesn't matter that you're right, because it's not reality, it's entertainment. Given everything else in this game that isn't scientifically accurate, or even scientifically feasible even on a theoretical level, why would you expect this one thing to be any different?





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