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I do hope that since Caitians and Kzinti (Ferasan) who were first featured during the STO animated
(the Kirk era), M'Ress was a bridge officer, that Caitians are part of AoY as a player captain choice.
If you purchased it. They were an original Federation race.
The second thing is that I hope, sooner rather than later, If a player purchased
Caitians and or Ferasan that the game would unlock tail choices in the Alien
creation menu (tailor shop) - if you paid for it and only for Aliens or
for the intended races Caitian/Ferasan.
I would be good with that.
Given that is my only real beef with the game, your doing pretty good.
Meow
(the Kirk era), M'Ress was a bridge officer, that Caitians are part of AoY as a player captain choice.
If you purchased it. They were an original Federation race.
The second thing is that I hope, sooner rather than later, If a player purchased
Caitians and or Ferasan that the game would unlock tail choices in the Alien
creation menu (tailor shop) - if you paid for it and only for Aliens or
for the intended races Caitian/Ferasan.
I would be good with that.
Given that is my only real beef with the game, your doing pretty good.
Meow
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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there ARE Caitians, it should be accepted that they are game cannon and should
be considered a Federation original race.
but as said that is me.
Meow
If you purchased the expansion race.
Makes little sense to me to unnecessarily limit the options available to players.
Yup. And add to that, that our TOS characters will eventually be playing alongside all our other characters (and that we may be moving back in time to even create them in the first place) and we could add a major violation of the temporal prime directive to that list.
Whatever. Perhaps we shouldn't try to make sense of it. A certain Dev wants things, it will happen, whether his explanation makes sense or not is, apparantly, not important. If I were him though, I would just stop giving explanations cause it's kinda difficult to take him serious since he never bothered to apply the same reasoning (or rather, lame excuse) to the rest of the game and stay true to canon there (or even try to explain certain things; to give just one example: subspace weaponry as another thread pointed out so well).
I don't really care about the Caitian issue itself. It's actually a nice opportunity to create an Andorian.
But at least give a real reason for restricting players so much in their choices, cause for some players it might be a huge disappointment. And in such cases, as a company you are obliged to give a real reason, not some fake excuse which doesn't hold up when they look at the rest of your product. Something with 'customer is king' and all that.
Also, don't come up with excuses that can relatively simply be pointed out not to be true, in which case you show either a lack of knowledge about your own product (which most likely isn't the case here), or you're simply lying (which is thus more likely and he may not have given his true reasons for not including certain species in the expansion).
Why is 'Federaton original race at' all relevant? This is the TOS era, not ENT, the Federation has been expanding and exploring for over a century at this point.
At best it might be reasonable to bar races that we know for a fact were not present at the time, and even that's wobbly. I mean Cryptic has been abusing the hell out of the time travel cliche from launch, this expansion is about more time travel, but now suddenly they're going to invoke Trek purity for why certain people shouldn't be in certain places?
I'm really trying to fathom how this expansion pitch went:
"Hey guys, I've got a great idea for an expansion! First, we'll only make it playable by 1 of 3 factions in the game. But wait! There's more! We'll only make it playable by 1 of 3 factions in the game, and they can only play it with 4 of their 19 character creation choices!!".
a ROM and KLINGON version...but that is just me...MEOW
My character Tsin'xing
Wait, do the Ferasan have non-sentient females and titles as opposed names until they earn them?
My character Tsin'xing
>> If you have already purchased a race featuring tails<<
That would work.
Keep it simple----Give us tails in the character creator if we bought a race featuring it. done.
My character Tsin'xing
The idea is simple. The TOS stuff is first supposed to evoke the real TOS feel. Not TAS, not TNG, not ENT. That means thinking about what technical and budget possibilities the show had. It's not about preserving some canon ideal.
That is why we get TOS style Gorn and Klingons, TOS style Andorian Antennas, and TOS style ships. We don't get anything resembling the Refits, and the new Klingon and Romulan NPC ships do not get all the level of detail that new ships normally get, not because Cryptic is too lazy to make them more detailed, but because TOS couldn't have done such ships (and quite possibly wouldn't, even if they had the budget for it.)
The Na'khul breaking those aesthetical guidelines? They are perfectly suited to violate the rules, because they are not supposed to be there. They are frigging time traveler mucking things up.
If they did Caitans TOS style, they would probably look more like people wearing furs and false whiskers. Might be better to avoid yet another race whose looks got retconned with better make-up budgets...
Cryptic has been cheerfully crapping on any sort of coherence or logic or sense of a Trek 'vision' in the name of brazen cash grabbing for going on 7 years now. Trying to invoke it now, by making an 'expansion' available to only 4 races of 1 faction, by way of another brazen cash grab is pathetically hollow and utterly self-serving. So yes, if you make a character with one of those limited options you'll get a brief "pure" TOS experience. before you get dumped in with the Liberated Borg Benzites in Krenim Time Dreadnoughts with pink stripes launching Tholian fighters. You know, the way Cryptic normally celebrates Gene Roddenberry's vision.
I was being a bit tongue and cheek since the OP said Kzinti (Ferasans). I've read a good deal of Larry Niven and the Kzinti is a far more fleshed out alien species than just... looks like an upright cat. Their females are non-sentient. They have to earn a name. I can't remember what his name became, but prior to that in the Ringworld series, the main Kzinti was called Speaker-To-Animals to describe his role as a diplomat for the species. Also, if a Kzinti is smiling at you, they're not exactly happy, they're probably about attack you.
I haven't gotten any of my fan mail officially responded to on this yet, but the flowchart for authenticity that I proposed to CBS myself was:
My head canon > On screen stuff as Canon > Internet Canon > Comic Book and Pocket Book Canon > Video Game Canon > Everyone else's canon with a little "c"
It's a pretty good system, for me at least.
Chmee was the name he earned. I also run my Ferasans as Kzinti to some extent, I don't follow the non-sentient females part because well I am playing a female of the race. I view them more as the type from the story Cat House but with the modern stuff.
We come in peace, SHOOT TO KILL!
I'm totally in love with that idea, BTW.
Other than that? I'm totally fine with how they have it set up. Just my O.
And why not allow people those brief moments celebrating TOS in all its glory?
Why can't you play your Caitans and Feresans and Saurians and Trills and Aliens in the other parts of the game?
If you can deal with no humans, Andorian or Ferengi in the KDF or the Romulan republic, no cat people in the Romulan Republic, no Reman in Starfleet or the KDF, you can deal with this, too. If you can't, tough luck.
You can't have it both ways bubby. Defending their decisions regarding AoY as maintaining the "vision" of Roddenberry and celebrating Trek, and then shrugging off...the entire rest of the game with "Who am I to judge?".
I mean, if Cryptic wants to embrace purity and authenticity, I'm all for it, remove all the Krenim and Breen and 'random alien' stuff, compensate players with equivalent Starfleet ships, establish a 'standard' uniform, I'll be cheering them along the whole way.
But if they're just going to continue cramming in whatever they think looks cool and will sell well then fine, but then don't tell me that in the name of authenticity I'm only allowed to experience the new content if I make a character of a particular race, when that character is just going to end up back in the regular Federation doing the regular content with all the regular random giant alien battleships and catgirls with double D's and mini-skirts in Starfleet anyway.
1) Non-sentient females in a setting intended to marginalize sexual dimorphism and emphasize 'equality' between the sexes.
2) Violence as a cultural norm of the species in a setting dedicated to non-violent problem-solving.
3) An alien species with non-human mores and instincts makes it difficult to tell morality tales applicable to humans.
Caitians had to be 'humanized' to fit into Star Trek, where all aliens are simply humans with one or two traits emphasized to show how 'bad' those traits are compared to the superior human model. True Kzin wouldn't fit in Star Trek because they are not human, and do not act or react as a human would.
Examples of Trek aliens:
Vulcans: Humans stripped of emotions show how bad it would be to live without love or compassion.
Andorians: Humans with a militaristic attitude which shows how limited military thinking can be.
Tellarites: Humans with too many emotions show how foolish it is to live without emotional restraint.
Klingons: Human fascists which demonstrates the flaws of government by military rule.
The list goes on. Bajorans are human religious fanatics, Deltans are humans obsessed with sex, Pakled are humans who acquired technological power before they were culturally ready for it, et cetra, et cetera, et cetera.
The reason we have Caitians instead of Kzin in Trek, aside from copyright issues, is because Kzin don't fit in the Trek universe because they aren't human enough.