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How should film grain be implemented?.

jtoon74jtoon74 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
edited May 2016 in Tribble - General Discussion and Feedback
It seems to be important to people so a simple poll on the subject.

The optional choice means it should be an option in the settings.
Post edited by jtoon74 on

How should film grain be implemented?. 66 votes

Yes
12%
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No
12%
kirimuffinsarreouscaptainoblivouswhere2r1rickpaaadarkdamnaiththemetalratgravelynwolf 8 votes
Optional
75%
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    jtoon74jtoon74 Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    Optional
    I went optional.
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    polstarukpolstaruk Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    Optional
    The question doesn't make sense with those responses.

    Should film grain be implemented? Yes / No / Optional



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    thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    Optional
    Optional. If it doesn't fit, don't force it.

    It makes perfect sense, for those who are in tune within and not without.​​
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Optional
    Even though this is only live on tribble, posting this in general would have gotten more votes and therefore a better sample size
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    admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    Optional
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Even though this is only live on tribble, posting this in general would have gotten more votes and therefore a better sample size

    Yes it would get a better sample size, but also a lot of people who have never seen it implemented here. So how would they know how to answer that?
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    Optional
    admrenlarreck wrote: »
    evilmark444 wrote: »
    Even though this is only live on tribble, posting this in general would have gotten more votes and therefore a better sample size

    Yes it would get a better sample size, but also a lot of people who have never seen it implemented here. So how would they know how to answer that?

    Include a screenshot?
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    feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    Optional because it has been giving me a headache.

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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    No
    I voted no. It's something that no one I know* likes.
    However, I suppose some people out there might like it (lord knows how or why), so it should be at the very least a separate option, rather than lumped in with the post processing option.

    *To clarify, I mean in RL.
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    crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,113 Arc User
    Optional
    You would think they would have learned their lesson (about wholly unwanted graphical effects) with Champions On-Line. That game to the day had a 'comic book outline' effect (thankfully optional) that 99.99% of the playerbase turns off because they feel it looks terrible.

    So, fast forward 5 years and they waste time adding another unwanted graphics effect to another one of their MMOs (probably because over lunch someone showed this and a Producer said - "Yeah, that looks cool...go with it" - not really taking into account that after maybe 10 minutes or less the novelty wears off and it makes the game look like c**p.

    There's a reason CBS remastered TOS for Blu-Ray; because nobody really wants to own a copy that has the broadcast resolution of a 1960ies era TV set. I also don't think many want to play a Star Trek game that looks like it's being shown on a simulated 1960ies era TV set for long. (Of course I can only speak for myself, but if you look at even the small sampling the 'effect' doesn't appear to have that many 'must have' supporters.)
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    captkelly31#5645 captkelly31
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    edited June 2016
    Optional
    I voted optional for grain but not bad looking, i also think TOS Tellarite and Gorn skins should be optional in tailor.
    Update: Tellarites, and Andorians, already can be changed in tailor. I assume the same will be true for other Player species.
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    No
    crypticarmsman wrote: »
    (Of course I can only speak for myself, but if you look at even the small sampling the 'effect' doesn't appear to have that many 'must have' supporters.)

    And one of those who voted "yes" is Taco, who works on it so he might be slightly biased :P


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    angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    Optional
    Optional is always the best choice for these kinds of things.

    For me personally I would like not to see it as it doesn't make sense, unless they want us to actually play the TV show. Then we should also have commercials and a doort somewhere that leads us to a break room with stage hands and other actors complaining about filming conditions.​​
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    awlaforgeawlaforge Member Posts: 235 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Optional
    Frankly, I think the grain is part of The Original Series presentation. Demanding it is removed is kind of like insisting Odyssey uniforms are a tailor choice in the TOS sections of the game. But since it is such a discomfort for a vocal group, I go with optional.
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    awlaforgeawlaforge Member Posts: 235 Arc User
    Optional
    Frankly, I think the grain is part of The Original Series presentation. Demanding it is removed is kind of like insisting Odyssey uniforms are a tailor choice in the TOS sections of the game. But since it is such a discomfort for a vocal group, I go with optional.
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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    It should be implemented the way the makers of the game choose.

    YES/NO/OPTIONAL = NON SEQUITUR

    ALWAYS ON/ALWAYS OFF/OPTIONAL = QED

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    seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    Optional
    The grain is a neat touch but ultimately it puts additional strain on pretty much everything to make sure the game look worse than it actually is. :|
    I don't think it's terrible and personally don't mind it much since it really isn't in many episodes but dedicating ressources for a visual downgrade is kinda odd even with the best intentions behind it.
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    sarreoussarreous Member Posts: 336 Arc User
    No
    No. Never understood it. I can see using it for a specific scene or segment to get some intended effect, but otherwise? Let's just say that in games where's in on by default, one of the first things I do is turn it off.
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    adwynythadwynyth Member Posts: 369 Arc User
    Optional
    Some people like it, some people don't. That alone is reason enough to make an option.

    And I'll say it for the zillionth time: Choice is good.
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    rickpaaarickpaaa Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    No
    I voted for no bad graphics. My second choice would be optional, then I would choose to have a great looking picture.

    I spent a lot of money for great graphics. Having the game look like a bad picture from a distant TV station doesn't make me all nostalgic. Neither does jagged aliasing.
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    seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Optional
    Seeing how the most recent version of TOS (the Remastered one) did away with it, I'd say make it optional at least.

    Film grain that isn't real looks foggy as all hell and never added anything to any game I ever played.

    The game Outlast had it and you couldn't turn it off completely, major annoyance. I really don't understand why in the age of crisp clear 4K video, someone thought that going back to pre-VHS visuals with no option to turn that off was a good thing...
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    nadiezjanadiezja Member Posts: 629 Arc User
    Yes
    Tone it down. I like the immediate visual cue for being in the 23rd Century, but it's too much.

    Also, I don't think it's film grain. I think it's snow... signal static, like trying to watch TV with a bad signal on an antenna.
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