Now I'm itching for some new Borg content

djf021

The other day we learned about the new visual slots coming with season 11.5. Some folks (myself included) mentioned wanting to use the Borg visuals again. Then yesterday we got the Assimilated Assault cruiser admiralty card. Now I'm thinking I'd love to see a new push by the Borg.

In the Cardassian Front mission "Second Wave", Admiral Trem mentions that the Borg are projected to have most of the quadrant assimilated in three (I think it was?) years if they are not "kept in check". After the Cardassian front we have only four Borg front missons, two of which are largely centered around the Undine. Those missions are awesome since the revamp, but I'd love to see the Borg unleash the offensive Admiral Trem was worried about, and the ensuing collaboration by the Alliance to stop them.
I know we're entering the "Temporal Cold War" stuff with the Krenim and Na'kul and all, but sometime in the future (forgive the pun) would anyone else like to see some new Borg action?

gradii

Bring on the borg! Remember after we were idiots and messed with the timeline using the Krenim weapon, the borg ended up strengthened in whatever resulted.

angrytarg

I appreciate every single bit of content that is not "temporal" themed. Although I have to say every new Borg content would further devalue our debile space zombies as well.​​

djf021

gradii wrote: »

Bring on the borg! Remember after we were idiots and messed with the timeline using the Krenim weapon, the borg ended up strengthened in whatever resulted.

That's a good point, I forgot about that. So they should be an even bigger threat now...

seriousdave

Problem is that we also did change something else that significantly weakened the Collective again which more or less resulted in them being as they were before the first fuckup alteration. So even according to this "new" timeline we're currently in they were still kicked in their collective butts by pretty much every major force.
We did quite the damage, the Undine, the Voth, the Vaadwaur, the Cooperative (which ultimately "eradicates" the Collective according to "Time and Tide"), etc.
So yeah, the Collective's future dosen't look that bright.

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djf021

reyan01 wrote: »

Consdiering the ongoing obsession with ISA by far too many, the less Borg the better in my opinion.

This is a concern when it comes to the PVE ques, but surely that shouldn't stop future Borg themed FEs from happening?...
If rewards/time ratio for other ques would be brought more in line with ISA (and crystalline entity advanced), more ques would be played. But that is a discussion for another thread

divvydave

reyan01 wrote: »

Consdiering the ongoing obsession with ISA by far too many, the less Borg the better in my opinion.

I kind of agree but as has been said above, I would prefer any content over the upcoming temporal war BS

hanover2

As long as it is released with a Normal difficulty that is within the capabilities of the average PUG team. I don't need another Hive Onslaught to ignore.

equinox976

It may be too late. The Borg have become the laughing stock of the galaxy. When a shuttle can solo a tactical cube I think it's time to 'adapt'.

djf021

hanover2 wrote: »

As long as it is released with a Normal difficulty that is within the capabilities of the average PUG team. I don't need another Hive Onslaught to ignore.

Agreed here. Hive Onslaught Space was fun for a while. But I haven't played it since a few days after it was added. I never tried the ground version.

daveyny

We're STO MINIONS...

Anything else is Futile...

seriousxeno

reyan01 wrote: »

Consdiering the ongoing obsession with ISA by far too many, the less Borg the better in my opinion.

While I agree that ISA is getting rather annoying, I say meet half-way:

Get rid of any Borg space STF that isn't Hive Onslaught or Borg Disconnected. Those 2 are actually somewhat interwoven into the story line.

Then, release new ones to replace these utterly outdated queues that no one takes seriously anymore beyond waving their DPS meter around.

I know ISAs removal will throw these guys for a loop, but you know what they say: Some people wanna see the world burn. This would be a fireworks display I wouldn't wanna miss

At least this way you get more and new Borg content without bloating the list even more.

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storules

djf021 wrote: »

The other day we learned about the new visual slots coming with season 11.5. Some folks (myself included) mentioned wanting to use the Borg visuals again. Then yesterday we got the Assimilated Assault cruiser admiralty card. Now I'm thinking I'd love to see a new push by the Borg.

In the Cardassian Front mission "Second Wave", Admiral Trem mentions that the Borg are projected to have most of the quadrant assimilated in three (I think it was?) years if they are not "kept in check". After the Cardassian front we have only four Borg front missons, two of which are largely centered around the Undine. Those missions are awesome since the revamp, but I'd love to see the Borg unleash the offensive Admiral Trem was worried about, and the ensuing collaboration by the Alliance to stop them.
I know we're entering the "Temporal Cold War" stuff with the Krenim and Na'kul and all, but sometime in the future (forgive the pun) would anyone else like to see some new Borg action?

Time to get some......
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meimeitoo

djf021 wrote: »

gradii wrote: »

Bring on the borg! Remember after we were idiots and messed with the timeline using the Krenim weapon, the borg ended up strengthened in whatever resulted.

That's a good point, I forgot about that. So they should be an even bigger threat now...

Huh... Didn't realize they were a threat now. :P Last time I checked, they were a complete joke.

farmallm

somtaawkhar wrote: »

djf021 wrote: »

in the Cardassian Front mission "Second Wave", Admiral Trem mentions that the Borg are projected to have most of the quadrant assimilated in three (I think it was?) years if they are not "kept in check". After the Cardassian front we have only four Borg front missons, two of which are largely centered around the Undine. Those missions are awesome since the revamp, but I'd love to see the Borg unleash the offensive Admiral Trem was worried about, and the ensuing collaboration by the Alliance to stop them.

This is incorrect.

After the Cardassian arc we not only have the Borg/Undine arc, but also the Borg red alerts, were we fight and destroy the 10 Borg command ships and their respective fleet, and the Borg STF mission series, which ultimately ends with us attacking the Borg Unimatrix in the quadrant, and killing the Borg Queen, ending the invasion.

The conference was referring to the formation of Task Force Omega, and we already "kept the Borg in check" in all the stuff we did in the STF mission series.

This is why the Borg are no longer considered a problem from Nukara on, they were defeated already. We see this also in Delta Rising where the Borg have not only been defeated in the Alpha/Beta quads, but also are getting their bottoms beat around by the Voth, Undine, and Vaadwaur in their home area of the Delta Quadrant.

My view on it from the RP perceptive. You play Fed you see them attack Vega. That was a lost and set back. Later you have the meeting where the Omega group is formed. But the Dominion interfered. Next the story moves on to the Borg/Undine story. After that you start up the Dyson and Delta. There is no mention of doing the Red Alerts in the story Arcs. Also there is nothing to tell you do go into the Ques to deal with them. Even the Deferi invasion. In reality I say the Iconians using the Vaadwuar is what took out the Borg for us. And we never really saw the Invasion that was supposed to come. Which was stated how they was killing them at a fast rate during one of the missions.

Since the story arcs don't mention those STF battles. We never had to really worry about the Borg. They was taken out before they had a chance for an assault.

Bottom line, is this where STO fails at incorporating story arcs to go with the STFs and other events. To give you a reason to do them.

OP:
We could have future content with them. But after heavy losses, I doubt they will recover for a long time.

thay8472

Bring the old STF's back and shove them into the Borg Arc.

asuran14

If they brought in borg content i would hope it would come along with a revamp to how they work, like giving them a mechanic that causes them to gain/give a stacking buff/debuff the long they are in combat. this could be something like the longer they hit specific types of shields they gain a stacking damage buff or shield by-passing effect against such shields, while it could also work in that they gain a shield hardness/resistance buff against the primary energy type used against them, while also having career based abilities that can either reduce the stack size or buff they gain/give as a counter to this. Also a rework of the borg an overall stfs to make them overall more uniform in difficulty at baseline normal an up.

Also you could have missions or stfs (delta quad based red-alerts)that center around borg ships seeking out, retrieving, and assimilating wrage of herald or Vaadwaur ships, which would not be them being a potent danger but more possibilities of what they would be if they did assimilate such tech.

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horridperson

I'd like to see the Borg return as a respectable villain. Even with the cheesy costumes from TNG that don't stand the test of time they were still a sinister presence. In canoon the borg downhilled toward the end of TNG but didn't really become a jobber/cuck until they hit Voyager.

Maybe some adaptation would return them to the implacable menace they were before. It would be awesome to see something interesting that advances the plot come from all the temporal stagnation.

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psycoticvulcan

Did we ever find out what happened to Vega Colony? Last I remember hearing is that Starfleet was hoping to retake it, but I don't think it was mentioned again.

dracounguis

djf021 wrote: »

Now I'm itching for some new Borg content

There's a cream for that. Only 50000 Zen.

jodarkrider

I'm with you OP, it could be nice, if done properly, offering something new. It could give us nice things like Cooperative reputation, with a focus on liberation and actual rebuilding; finding them a homeworld, and build it up. It'd be more in sync with the whole exploring and rebuilding promise we were given at the end of Iconian war, too. And we could perhaps get some visual improvement for the Borg, both NPCs, who look more like they could use a sammich and our Liberated Borg Captains, who have yet to get a full-body skins. The opportunities to make this into something neat & new are there.

nikeix

So, am I the only person here who read and mostly liked the Destiny trilogy? Because having the Borg get one last huge hurrah where they reshape the quadrant on a world-burning rampage through the Federation before being wiped off the field entirely worked for me. It took the Federation down some necessary pegs so that they could be properly challenged by smaller powers again (the whole Typhon Pact series), it created interesting internal fracturing (the Andorians leave the Federation), it finally decisively removed the Borg as the ever-present-but-rarely-manifest threat without them having to become the sort of lingering minor threat/embarrassment we see in STO. And it set the stage for a return to pure exploration as a thing Starfleet truly aspires to and excels at (the whole Titan series).

Seriously, let them go out with some dignity.

horridperson

@nikeix

Yes, like that. I wasn't wild about the Columbia thing but a cataclysmic ending for the Borg was solid. The alliance position is too concrete. The ongoing time correction is like watching kids fight over the remote control. For all the horror of the Iconian War the world police seem to have it in the bag and clearing the pieces would be a welcome game changer.

kekvin

Id like to see single player versions of the stfs added in game so we know where in the time line they sit. We so need a vega colony space / ground battle zone. 1 to retake the colony and another like wolf 359

farmallm

nikeix wrote: »

So, am I the only person here who read and mostly liked the Destiny trilogy? Because having the Borg get one last huge hurrah where they reshape the quadrant on a world-burning rampage through the Federation before being wiped off the field entirely worked for me. It took the Federation down some necessary pegs so that they could be properly challenged by smaller powers again (the whole Typhon Pact series), it created interesting internal fracturing (the Andorians leave the Federation), it finally decisively removed the Borg as the ever-present-but-rarely-manifest threat without them having to become the sort of lingering minor threat/embarrassment we see in STO. And it set the stage for a return to pure exploration as a thing Starfleet truly aspires to and excels at (the whole Titan series).

Seriously, let them go out with some dignity.

I stopped reading the books and comics. After most of those was so far fetched and basically garbage.

equinox976

farmallm wrote: »

nikeix wrote: »

So, am I the only person here who read and mostly liked the Destiny trilogy? Because having the Borg get one last huge hurrah where they reshape the quadrant on a world-burning rampage through the Federation before being wiped off the field entirely worked for me. It took the Federation down some necessary pegs so that they could be properly challenged by smaller powers again (the whole Typhon Pact series), it created interesting internal fracturing (the Andorians leave the Federation), it finally decisively removed the Borg as the ever-present-but-rarely-manifest threat without them having to become the sort of lingering minor threat/embarrassment we see in STO. And it set the stage for a return to pure exploration as a thing Starfleet truly aspires to and excels at (the whole Titan series).

Seriously, let them go out with some dignity.

I stopped reading the books and comics. After most of those was so far fetched and basically garbage.

As the previous poster mentioned the Destiny series of books was (mostly) well written and gave a very good origin for the Borg, in addition to a great ending for the Borg. (Well I think so, not everyone may agree).

Getting back to your own post; I agree there is a lot of trash in the Trek universe - sometimes it's very hard to find a well written book because alot of authors think:

"ooh sci fi, I can say whatever I like and it won't matter!"

Whilst in actual fact its pretty hard to write sci fi that is still 'believable'.

Case in point: I've just stopped reading "Deep Space 9 (Invasion): Time's Enemy. It started off well (in fact I could not put it down) but it has now become so ridiculously unbelievable it became a chore to read (for instance a digested fraction of a Vulcans brain having a full scale logical conversation with the crew of DS9 whilst sitting in the stomach of an alien).

That said, definitely give the Destiny Novels a try, they are very good for the most part