and yet that reason has been destroyed by players... and it was posted just a handful of posts just above yours no less
He's integrated in the storyline, his presence is assumed. Changing that means reworking the story-line. But if that's the only reason for a revamp, then it's simply insufficient.
The Romulan entry story arcs still are among the best in terms of story-telling and map design in the game. Until that changes, there is just no sufficient reason to start a rework of them.
since you apparently didn't read my original post in this thread, I agree a re-write is highly unlikely. Specifically because it IS the best arc in game atm... and it still has terribad points... I was simple pointing out to mirror that the "developer given reason" has been debunked by dozens of players already
Something else I would LOVE to see, and possibly more likely to happen, is Veril, Satra, D'vex, and even token bigass thug guy get more voiced lines so the plot is less about Tovan and more about your whole crew talking and interacting. It wouldn't fix the Tovan issue but itd make it a bit less annoying and greatly improve the experience by elevating OTHER characters up to a similar state.
Okay This I could really get behind. Finding Veril's father and she is in the party with you and no reaction at all? Seemed flat.
And this might seem trivial, but the beginning where you are asked to join D'tan. You can reply ready to jump right in or say you are not interested. Either way, you are at the fleet and have to say yes. Can we either lose the reluctant line since it never comes up again. Or better yet, use it. Maybe we help out on a few missions but we don't get the RR uniform chit since we didn't join up. Or maybe instead of dropped in the office and have to accept, D'tan talks to us to convince us that unity is better than running and hiding. After all it wasn't his group that attacked Virinat. It was the Tal Shiar with unknown alien allies. Or maybe when you try and find a new home for yourself and your ship full of refugees you keep hitting those Tal Shiar enforcers till you find you are assumed to be with D'tan anyway and no one else will take you in since you seem to be a trouble magnet.
4. and this is the one that gets me, he gives orders. bad enough we get it from people who we both outrank and aren't part of the republic. but on my own ship! from a crew member? if I had any choice in the matter I space him for a white boff in a heartbeat.
See, I can't remember this ever happening. I recall quite a few recommendations, but never an order. Do you remember where these orders given occurred, and what the context was?
too many and been too long to pick out, try every time it has to be him speaking. the phrasing was never a recommendation. it was "go here" and "do this." not "I think we should" and "this would best" unlike every other boff in the game. thats why I don't replay early rom stuff, unlike the klingon only stuff, which I do when ever some groups of players get too annoying.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
very simple, just allow the option to dismiss him AFTER you find his sister at the end of the nimbus III arc...like you go to new rom or the rom floatilla to drop them both off to live happily ever after.......and btw where is my s'harien sword, i found it right ???? shouldn't i get a gold sword melee weapon to show that ??? i mean how many klingons are running around with the shard of kahaless ????
you'll get it when kdf get to get the real thing... so never.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Overall, I do not have a problem with Tovan Khev. He is useful for low to mid level characters. People who can afford to buy a SRO can replace him on the bridge at higher levels. So what? He takes up one Boff slot. Cryptic gives you plenty of Boff slots by the time players have reached level 50.
You also have the option to purchase additional Boff slots from the C-Store so it is not like Toven Khev is truly limiting players to a fixed number of Boffs to choose from. Don't feel like paying for Boff slots and don't like Tovan Khev at all? Then perhaps the Romulan Faction is not the right choice to play.
With LoR Cryptic attempted to do something different with storytelling which is some direct feedback from someone your character knows in the game. It also adds in a very short story arc interwoven into the mainstory. Obviously, this was a failed experiment because of all the backlash around Toven Khev. Thus, you should take solace in the fact that Cryptic will never attempt to flesh out the main story on a more personal level of a future Boff.
If there was to be a change to the Romulan Republic, it would be to make them a full faction. But that will probably not happen due to the fleet system. I am not in a fleet, but I assume there are Romulan players that are part of Fed / KDF fleets. Making the RR a full faction would ideally mean that Romulan captains should only be able to join RR fleets; thus they must break thier Fed / KDF fleet ties.
From a logical point of view it was stupid to have the Romulans be allied to both the Fed and KDF during the so called "war". That would not happen in real life. At best the RR would have bilateral non-aggression treaties with both Fed and KDF making the RR neutral. Otherwise the Romulans would be working for the enemy from both point of views.
It would also eventually lead to civil war within the RR where you have one faction that supports the Fed and the other faction support the KDF during war conditions. Such a situation would split Romulan populous in half so there would then be three Romulan factions including the non-playable remanence of the Romulan Empire. You would think that D'Tan is the Tal Shiar's (Romulan Empire) best operative because splitting the Romulan Republic into to ideological factions will allow the Romulan Empire to conquer each faction individually. Thus, allowing the Tal Shiar to expand it's reach and realize it's goal to subjugate all (or at least most) Romulans under it's rule.
Which is incompatible with a boff that everyone has. Let us rename him, let us dismiss him, whatever.
NO, THE INTEGRATION INTO THE STORYLINE IS IRRELEVANT. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN (using the Delta Pack boffs) THAT IT IS NO PROBLEM FOR THE GAME IF YOU DON'T HAVE HIM.
Or you can simply ignore him which is currently your only real option. The only flaw with that is when you play a mission where someone on the bridge contacts you... that person would be Tovan Khev.
I never stated Tovan Khev's mini story was relevant to the main story. He merely provides you with feedback regarding some of the events.
Given all the backlash Cryptic has received with regards to Tovan Khev and the fact that to this day Cryptic has not done anything to address it means it is unlikely Cryptic will change anything.
Who knows, maybe Cryptic plans to update the LoR expansion on it's 3rd anniversary coming up in May... but I would not hold my breath. Thus, my comment about beating a dead horse. But if you want to continue to stand on your soapbox to voice your opinion, then don't let me stand in your way. It is your right to do so as long as the mods do not deem it to be disruptive.
But role playing / the option to stuff Tovan Khev into an airlock w/o an environmental suit is not my personal gripe regarding the Romulan faction.
Rather it is the circumstances of the existence of the Romulan faction which basically revolves around it's alliance with both the Fed and KDF during the war and it's continued existence as a half faction rather than a full faction.
Unfortunately, that is something I cannot simply ignore because the circumstances for the Romulan alliance do not make sense. The Romulan Republic should have been neutral to both Fed and KDF faction; this makes the most sense. If not then the RR should have completely sided with one of the two opposing faction. The only other alternative would be for the RR to be at war with both the Fed and the KDF.
You telling me to ignore the circumstances of the RR alliances during the war and the fact that they are a half faction would be similar to me tell you to ignore Tovan Khev.
I think one small thing they could do to enhance the Romulan story is to have Rinna Khev be in the tutorial and be a friend too the player character in addition to Tovan. Then have her be abducted during the mission. That way it makes sense for the player character to want to chase her down too.
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You telling me to ignore the circumstances of the RR alliances during the war and the fact that they are a half faction would be similar to me tell you to ignore Tovan Khev.
Uh, dude, seriously. What the Tovan haters want is a simple dismiss button that every single other boff in the game already has. Changing that would probably take about two minutes of developer time. What you ask for is essentially a half-year project for much of the dev team.
I mean in terms of how annoying it is. Not how easy it is to fix.
Like I stated, I am referring to how annoying our personal gripe about the RR faction is to each of us. Regardless of how easy or difficult it is to fix.
My gripe is insignificant to you because it would require a tremendous amount of resources to fix the issue I have with the RR faction. That time, effort and resources are better spent on fixing smaller issues that are easier to fix and / or releasing new content. And it is something that you seem to have no problems ignoring.
Your gripe is insignificant to me because I am not into role playing and I generally am not annoyed with having Tovan Khev on board my ships. I can easily ignore him if I wanted to. Though if I assigned a different Boff as first officer I would like to see that Boff's face on the screen instead of Tovan's. But that is a very minor annoyance to me.
I have long ago adopted the statement in your signature...
Promote what you love, instead of bashing what you hate.
There is nothing I can do about the circumstances in which the RR faction exists in the game. Therefore, it is best to move on to other things that I enjoy within STO. Though I do reserve the right to voice my gripe(s) from time to time in the appropriate threads once or twice a year.
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I think one small thing they could do to enhance the Romulan story is to have Rinna Khev be in the tutorial and be a friend too the player character in addition to Tovan. Then have her be abducted during the mission. That way it makes sense for the player character to want to chase her down too.
I like this idea. I also wish we had a chance to either recruit her or see her as a freighter captain in her own right after installation 18. Similar to the Break Even and the Azura2.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
there isn't anything wrong with the Romulan storyline. I think it does a great job of setting up the whole Solanae/Iconian arc that all factions follow later on.
Tovan is your best friend, you both escape the destruction of your colony together, you don't then dump him and go off to conquer the galaxy, you're in this together. He's your bro, your wingman, your brother (in Army terms), you would do anything for him, and vice-versa. The Tal Shiar have kidnapped his sister? To hell with anything else, thats your primary mission. If you can take down the Tal Shiar and help D'Tan rebuild Romulus at the same time, that's a plus. The only thing I'd change is Tovan calling you "sir", that doesn't sit right. I know the RR has a military structure, but this isn't Starfleet.
i'd take just renaming him to fit my crew. he'd be a Nod general then
There are two things I would change, given chance and hindsight:
1) Make Tovan a Superior Romulan Operative. I get that you can't delete him, as he is integral to the storyline (up to a point), BUT he's taking up space that could be filled by a SRO. Bedblocking. So make him a SRO.
2) The discovery of the Iconian Gate on New Romulus SHOULD be part of the storyline, it should be the last episode you do before moving on to the Solanae Arc (or the first episode of the Solanae arc). And that goes for all factions. As it stands at present (hidden away in Rep 5 of the Romulan Rep tree) I didn't actually discover the Gate on New Romulus until well into the Iconian Invasion lmao
i'd take just renaming him to fit my crew. he'd be a Nod general then
Youd name him Vega and make him an incompetent junkie who steals your alien battleship plot wouldn't you?
Probably, but then again since I cant get him off my bridge no matter what I do as far as officer assignment id probably give him a good name just to fit the theme. (if they'd make him SRO and let me rename him id make him Anton Slavik and train him to be intel)
i'd take just renaming him to fit my crew. he'd be a Nod general then
Youd name him Vega and make him an incompetent junkie who steals your alien battleship plot wouldn't you?
Probably, but then again since I cant get him off my bridge no matter what I do as far as officer assignment id probably give him a good name just to fit the theme. (if they'd make him SRO and let me rename him id make him Anton Slavik and train him to be intel)
Yeah but then you'd have to name your ship Montauk
i'd take just renaming him to fit my crew. he'd be a Nod general then
Youd name him Vega and make him an incompetent junkie who steals your alien battleship plot wouldn't you?
Probably, but then again since I cant get him off my bridge no matter what I do as far as officer assignment id probably give him a good name just to fit the theme. (if they'd make him SRO and let me rename him id make him Anton Slavik and train him to be intel)
Yeah but then you'd have to name your ship Montauk
This is Spart... I mean, F.C.T. folks. Moving on.
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since you apparently didn't read my original post in this thread, I agree a re-write is highly unlikely. Specifically because it IS the best arc in game atm... and it still has terribad points... I was simple pointing out to mirror that the "developer given reason" has been debunked by dozens of players already
that would be awesome
too many and been too long to pick out, try every time it has to be him speaking. the phrasing was never a recommendation. it was "go here" and "do this." not "I think we should" and "this would best" unlike every other boff in the game. thats why I don't replay early rom stuff, unlike the klingon only stuff, which I do when ever some groups of players get too annoying.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
you'll get it when kdf get to get the real thing... so never.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
You also have the option to purchase additional Boff slots from the C-Store so it is not like Toven Khev is truly limiting players to a fixed number of Boffs to choose from. Don't feel like paying for Boff slots and don't like Tovan Khev at all? Then perhaps the Romulan Faction is not the right choice to play.
With LoR Cryptic attempted to do something different with storytelling which is some direct feedback from someone your character knows in the game. It also adds in a very short story arc interwoven into the mainstory. Obviously, this was a failed experiment because of all the backlash around Toven Khev. Thus, you should take solace in the fact that Cryptic will never attempt to flesh out the main story on a more personal level of a future Boff.
If there was to be a change to the Romulan Republic, it would be to make them a full faction. But that will probably not happen due to the fleet system. I am not in a fleet, but I assume there are Romulan players that are part of Fed / KDF fleets. Making the RR a full faction would ideally mean that Romulan captains should only be able to join RR fleets; thus they must break thier Fed / KDF fleet ties.
From a logical point of view it was stupid to have the Romulans be allied to both the Fed and KDF during the so called "war". That would not happen in real life. At best the RR would have bilateral non-aggression treaties with both Fed and KDF making the RR neutral. Otherwise the Romulans would be working for the enemy from both point of views.
It would also eventually lead to civil war within the RR where you have one faction that supports the Fed and the other faction support the KDF during war conditions. Such a situation would split Romulan populous in half so there would then be three Romulan factions including the non-playable remanence of the Romulan Empire. You would think that D'Tan is the Tal Shiar's (Romulan Empire) best operative because splitting the Romulan Republic into to ideological factions will allow the Romulan Empire to conquer each faction individually. Thus, allowing the Tal Shiar to expand it's reach and realize it's goal to subjugate all (or at least most) Romulans under it's rule.
This topic does not accomplish anything other than beating a dead horse.
Or you can simply ignore him which is currently your only real option. The only flaw with that is when you play a mission where someone on the bridge contacts you... that person would be Tovan Khev.
I never stated Tovan Khev's mini story was relevant to the main story. He merely provides you with feedback regarding some of the events.
Given all the backlash Cryptic has received with regards to Tovan Khev and the fact that to this day Cryptic has not done anything to address it means it is unlikely Cryptic will change anything.
Who knows, maybe Cryptic plans to update the LoR expansion on it's 3rd anniversary coming up in May... but I would not hold my breath. Thus, my comment about beating a dead horse. But if you want to continue to stand on your soapbox to voice your opinion, then don't let me stand in your way. It is your right to do so as long as the mods do not deem it to be disruptive.
True.
But role playing / the option to stuff Tovan Khev into an airlock w/o an environmental suit is not my personal gripe regarding the Romulan faction.
Rather it is the circumstances of the existence of the Romulan faction which basically revolves around it's alliance with both the Fed and KDF during the war and it's continued existence as a half faction rather than a full faction.
You telling me to ignore the circumstances of the RR alliances during the war and the fact that they are a half faction would be similar to me tell you to ignore Tovan Khev.
I mean in terms of how annoying it is. Not how easy it is to fix.
My gripe is insignificant to you because it would require a tremendous amount of resources to fix the issue I have with the RR faction. That time, effort and resources are better spent on fixing smaller issues that are easier to fix and / or releasing new content. And it is something that you seem to have no problems ignoring.
Your gripe is insignificant to me because I am not into role playing and I generally am not annoyed with having Tovan Khev on board my ships. I can easily ignore him if I wanted to. Though if I assigned a different Boff as first officer I would like to see that Boff's face on the screen instead of Tovan's. But that is a very minor annoyance to me.
I have long ago adopted the statement in your signature...
There is nothing I can do about the circumstances in which the RR faction exists in the game. Therefore, it is best to move on to other things that I enjoy within STO. Though I do reserve the right to voice my gripe(s) from time to time in the appropriate threads once or twice a year.
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I like this idea. I also wish we had a chance to either recruit her or see her as a freighter captain in her own right after installation 18. Similar to the Break Even and the Azura2.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
"Kurland here ...*Static*" lol
more "I hate Tovan plus" thread
i'd take just renaming him to fit my crew. he'd be a Nod general then
ive actually suggested this, directly, to a dev.
Probably, but then again since I cant get him off my bridge no matter what I do as far as officer assignment id probably give him a good name just to fit the theme. (if they'd make him SRO and let me rename him id make him Anton Slavik and train him to be intel)
Yeah but then you'd have to name your ship Montauk
done already, I also have the tacitus
Any chance with this thread closed? It's yet another "Cryptic should risk breaking the game to remove Tovan" thread.
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