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T6 Odyssey: A Lead-in to T6 Aquarius?

The Odyssey's separation pet, the Aquarius, made enough of an impression on the playerbase when Odyssey was released that Devs made it into a playable T5 ship. Now that we have a T6 Ody, what are the chances we will see improvements to the Aquarius?

Yes, the Aquarius got a little bit of love a bit ago, some stat tweaks, Raider Flanking, and the ability to use the Fed cloaking console, but this little ship is now lagging behind other escorts even more. Many lower tier ships still offer some value in the consoles they come with, but who is going to spend 4 FSMs and an Upgrade Token on this little so that needs just a little more to reach its potential, but in the meantime, offers no extra value?

What am I proposing they do? Perhaps make a T6 version that offers Pilot maneuvers, or at least Pilot seating. Or, what about following these facts about the ships ingame down the logical path:
1. The pet version of the Aquarius uses Quad Cannons.
2. The playable version of the Aquarius can use a Cloaking Device.
3. The two pieces of equipment mentioned above are one console shy of the set that gives the Valiant a battle cloak.
With these similarities, offering a similar console set with battle cloak would make some sense, and since the ship is, in all other ways, already a raider, it makes even more sense. The biggest argument against it is it will be making BoPs even less unique.

So, what does everyone think? T6 Aquarius, is it a possibility? If so, what improvements to the ship should come in the updated version?
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock

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    seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Well, the model already exists (Callisto pets) but I kinda doubt it will happen. The Aquarius spent most of it's existence in complete oblivion even after it's raider upgrade. Though might have something to do with it's ridiculous acquisition costs. Make it a proper zen ship and maybe it would sell?
    Also imagine the shitstorm if a fed raider gets a battlecloak. Would be hilarious. >:)
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    The playable Aquarius did indeed get an improvement but they are so rarely seen. As an Escort, there was absolutely nothing special about it even in the Pre-T6/Pre-DR days. There were plenty of high-powered Fed Escorts. It got remade into a Raider and it was still a failure. The entire Raider concept in this game has fallen flat on its face. Nobody plays the type. There had been fabulous versions in the game: Plesh Brek and the Herald one. Yet you have better luck finding someone play a Battle Cloaking Bulwark than see someone play a Raider that isn't a Bird of Prey. And the BOP users play for the simple idea of flying a BOP and not necessarily chase being a Raider.
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    kostamojenxkostamojenx Member Posts: 251 Arc User
    If it could use the 3-piece set from the Defiant, then yes it would be worth it (battle cloak!)

    But I was one of the few people who actively flew the Aquarius, mostly because nobody else did :P Actually, the almost-universal seating made for some damn good builds that were not possible with other Fed ships for awhile. But now, its just lost in the shuffle...

    I hope we do see a T6 Aquarius (Callisto) just for TRIBBLE and giggles.
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    berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    When my fleet's Shipyard hit T4, unlocking the Aquarius, I almost bought the base version. But then, I realized I needed the Fleet version of I wanted to upgrade it. So, I collected the FSMs needed. Of course, by that time, I realized I'd still only have a sub par escort, and forgot about my plans. No, my dreams.

    So, with the Odyssey [T6] release AND the ship sale going on AND my actually having the Zen onhand to buy a ship, I decided to look at what I might want to buy. I found nothing I really want. Nothing. Except that darned Aquarius is still sitting there, whispering "Buy me, you know we'll have fun together! Now, you even have the Quad Cannon my NPC counterpart uses! C'mon, you know you got the Phaser Point Defence console for that exact reason! Oh, the joy!". Except, I know that while it may be true initially, our long term relationship would be full of regret.

    C'mon, Cryptic. Give us the T6 Aquarius that would go with the T6 Odyssey. Let me fly this ship without guilt or regret. Take my Zen.

    Please?
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    orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Has anyone actually used the Aquarius console on the new ships? Does the Aquarius have a new model when it emerges? If not, I think that chances are that we're not getting a T6 Aquarius.
    Well, the model already exists (Callisto pets) but I kinda doubt it will happen. The Aquarius spent most of it's existence in complete oblivion even after it's raider upgrade. Though might have something to do with it's ridiculous acquisition costs. Make it a proper zen ship and maybe it would sell?
    Also imagine the shitstorm if a fed raider gets a battlecloak. Would be hilarious. >:)
    I don't think we've seen any correlation between the Aquarius and the Callisto except that both are considered "Light Escorts". The Callisto is a hangar pet, while the Aquarius is essentially a mere vector separation of the "Super Capital" Star Cruiser line. For all intents and purposes, they're completely different ships.​​
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    starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    Does the Aquarius console on the new Oddy ship even work? if anyone has tried please answer Thank you
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    berginsbergins Member Posts: 3,453 Arc User
    @orangeitis - Your question of a different model coming from the T5 vs T6 has occurred to me, and yeah, probably would be the easy reason to say "No" to this. *sad face* Hope springs eternal though: While I agree that, in function, the Aquarius and the Castillo share little more than a design type and their status as pets, the ship artists for the Castillo model might argue that they have more in common than you think they do. Take a look, see if you don't agree.

    @starmanj - A Dev has weighed in on this question, and yes, the T5 consoles work on the T6. Not owning any of them, I can't say for sure, but after a Dev saying "Yes, this works," if it didn't, I'm sure this thread would be buried under the dozens of "CRAPTIC! U BROKE MUH SHIPPPPZZZXXXXX!!!?&%$@&;#&@!l!" threads.
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    samt1996samt1996 Member Posts: 2,856 Arc User
    Maybe a new raider bundle is incoming with another BOP.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    starmanj wrote: »
    Does the Aquarius console on the new Oddy ship even work? if anyone has tried please answer Thank you

    All old T5 flagship consoles can be equipped on the recent T6 versions. While outfitting on the shipyard, I have had the Odyssey and Scimitar have all 7 on the ship (4 from T6 set, 3 from T5 set... 4th pc for T6 set is the console from the Krenim Science Vessel). I didn't keep all of them, mind you, just the T6 set, when I left to go start getting masteries and such.
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    blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 839 Arc User
    say what you will and insult it as well, but my Aquarius is a deadly little thing.
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    starmanjstarmanj Member Posts: 714 Arc User
    blitzy4 wrote: »
    say what you will and insult it as well, but my Aquarius is a deadly little thing.
    blitzy4 wrote: »
    say what you will and insult it as well, but my Aquarius is a deadly little thing.

    Mine is pretty deadly too
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    blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 839 Arc User
    Double the quote, double the fun!
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    alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    samt1996 wrote: »
    Maybe a new raider bundle is incoming with another BOP.

    I'm counting on it for a Norgh BoP that can finally use the Ning'tao skin, and hopefully one that actually works unlike the persisting Kor-Brotlh problem that's never been fixed yet.

    Also since the Andromeda was a giveaway to certain players who were absent for a time (but who probably did buy some quantity of zen and c-store items before their absence) which got turned into the expected and most welcomed T6 GalX, I wonder if they'll make some special version of the Valiant, though I don't know what they could do to it and am no fan of defiant despite owning it.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    samt1996 wrote: »
    Maybe a new raider bundle is incoming with another BOP.

    I'm counting on it for a Norgh BoP that can finally use the Ning'tao skin, and hopefully one that actually works unlike the persisting Kor-Brotlh problem that's never been fixed yet.

    This is something I've never understood, why can't all BoPs use all unlocked BoP parts? It's one of the many reasons I have trouble playing my klink toon.
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    seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    samt1996 wrote: »
    Maybe a new raider bundle is incoming with another BOP.

    I'm counting on it for a Norgh BoP that can finally use the Ning'tao skin, and hopefully one that actually works unlike the persisting Kor-Brotlh problem that's never been fixed yet.

    This is something I've never understood, why can't all BoPs use all unlocked BoP parts? It's one of the many reasons I have trouble playing my klink toon.

    Not sure but I think there's a small size difference between all the bop families. Trying to make all those parts properly kitbashable must be a huge pain in the a** and as we've seen on the T6 bort they aren't a fan of doing that for the KDF.
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