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PSA: The new T6 Bortasqu' flagships will only have 24 permutations for kitbashing

freakiumfreakium Member Posts: 439 Arc User
Just got one of these today and I've always loved kitbashing. However, you can only customize the following on the Bortasqu'
  • Head/Saucer
  • Body/Hull
  • Nacelles

I would have personally like it to be more modular and include pylons, mission pod, etc. but it seems those were all mashed together into the body/hull.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    It also doesn't seem to have access to Klingon Material 4 (I hope I got the number right - the one with the grayish hull color). I hope that is an oversight.
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  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    Just out of interest, could you confirm whether you can use the original Bortas skin? I still prefer that over the newer designs...
  • freakiumfreakium Member Posts: 439 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    Oh yeah, you definitely can.

    Options are Bortasqu', Kahless, Martok, Gorkon.
    Materials 0, 1, 2, 3, Upgrade.
    The T5 Bortasqu' bridge is still available.
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  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    Ah, great. At last my decision not to upgrade the old ones is justified :).
  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    Unfortunately the work wasn't done properly to match the new hulls with the original bort head/saucer. There are massive poly gaps there if you try to use the original head with a new hull.
  • schloopdooschloopdoo Member Posts: 373 Arc User
    narthais wrote: »
    Unfortunately the work wasn't done properly to match the new hulls with the original bort head/saucer. There are massive poly gaps there if you try to use the original head with a new hull.

    This part is a real shame. I found that I prefer much of the original Bortasqu model; it's just thicker and beefier looking than any of the new models, and matches the ship that can be seen from the windows on the bridge. I would have liked to stick the Martok's head on the front, for its cannon barrels, but it just doesn't line up with any hull save the Martok hull. So my Martok looks like a T5 Bortasqu, from fore to aft.

  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    narthais wrote: »
    Unfortunately the work wasn't done properly to match the new hulls with the original bort head/saucer. There are massive poly gaps there if you try to use the original head with a new hull.

    And I believe the opposite is also true. The bortaS hull doesn't line up with the new saucers either if you wanted to put a new head on the old body.
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  • freakiumfreakium Member Posts: 439 Arc User
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    freakium wrote: »

    Still... l don't understand that something like this can make it past QA and gets released in such a state.
  • freakiumfreakium Member Posts: 439 Arc User
    szim wrote: »
    freakium wrote: »

    Still... l don't understand that something like this can make it past QA and gets released in such a state.

    Part of the benefits of playing kdf side.
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  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    I'm not sure cryptic actually has a QA department anymore. All evidence suggests that if something doesn't get caught by players on tribble it goes to holodeck in horribly broken forms, which is problematic for anything that doesnt appear on tribble.

    *Note: im sure they do have QA, but it would seem nowhere near enough or the team is under such tight deadlines that there is actually no time to get these things fixed before they get pushed live for better or worse.*
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    The Gorkon nacelles don't line up right with the other hulls that aren't the Gorkon. Viewed from the front and some rear angles, there are noticeable gaps.

    I will concur, a lot of the parts don't line up right. But this issue persisted with the Command FDC Pack. Well, at least the windows work.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    szim wrote: »
    freakium wrote: »

    Still... l don't understand that something like this can make it past QA and gets released in such a state.
    It probably didn't get past QA. But should one delay the release of the 9 flagships for a week or more just because a few customization options on a small number of ships are not working right? Even with the errors, you can fly the T6 Bortasque and its variant, just the customization will lead to problems. While the Oddy and the Scimitard seem to be fine?

    As someone that loves kitbashing stuff in STO, sure, the bug is annoying - but lots of players will never see the bug because they fly some of the other ships.

    I can totally see why a company has very good reasons to release the ships as is and fix them later.
    I just hope it doesn't take as long as hte missing Kor customization options. (Still waiting on those :( )
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  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    I just hope it doesn't take as long as the missing Kor customization options. (Still waiting on those :( )

    So is the T5 B'rel, I wouldn't hold your breath. Well one of them is, either the c-store or the fleet version cant use the b'roth akin, same issue the Kor has and its been this way for years.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    narthais wrote: »
    I just hope it doesn't take as long as the missing Kor customization options. (Still waiting on those :( )

    So is the T5 B'rel, I wouldn't hold your breath. Well one of them is, either the c-store or the fleet version cant use the b'roth akin, same issue the Kor has and its been this way for years.

    The T5/T5U C-Store B'Rel works perfectly on her costumes last I tried a while back. It's the Fleet and both T6 versions that are borked.

    Anyways, regarding the T6 Bortasqu' aesthetics, I do kind of wish one of them had a more pronounced, sharper 90 degree wing pylon hanging down that holds the engines. To give it a D-7/K'T'Inga/Mogh look in that part of the ship.

    It would look sweet. Get that hull/pylon/nacelle configuration, one of the Bortasqu' saucer sections that reminds me heavily of a K'T'Inga, and use the light grey hull texture.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    narthais wrote: »
    I just hope it doesn't take as long as the missing Kor customization options. (Still waiting on those :( )

    So is the T5 B'rel, I wouldn't hold your breath. Well one of them is, either the c-store or the fleet version cant use the b'roth akin, same issue the Kor has and its been this way for years.

    The T5/T5U C-Store B'Rel works perfectly on her costumes last I tried a while back. It's the Fleet and both T6 versions that are borked.

    Anyways, regarding the T6 Bortasqu' aesthetics, I do kind of wish one of them had a more pronounced, sharper 90 degree wing pylon hanging down that holds the engines. To give it a D-7/K'T'Inga/Mogh look in that part of the ship.

    It would look sweet. Get that hull/pylon/nacelle configuration, one of the Bortasqu' saucer sections that reminds me heavily of a K'T'Inga, and use the light grey hull texture.
    Yeah, could be cool. Keep it as an idea for the Tier 7 Retrofit in 2-4years. ;)
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  • geekysoldiergeekysoldier Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2016
    I bet in 4 years the B'rel wouldn't be able to slot the B'rothl skin either lol
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    I bet in 4 years the B'rel wouldn't be able to slot the B'rothl skin either lol

    Very much so. In addition, in 1 year, the Kar'Fi will still be half-invisible. In 2 years, the Kar'Fi will have somehow disappeared from the game entirely.
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  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    I bet in 4 years the B'rel wouldn't be able to slot the B'rothl skin either lol

    Very much so. In addition, in 1 year, the Kar'Fi will still be half-invisible. In 2 years, the Kar'Fi will have somehow disappeared from the game entirely.

    You make it sound like it's that bad a thing. It's not as though they took 3 borg elite queues out of the game entirely. Ummm wait, no, that doesn't sound right. What am I missing here? :/=)
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    Hmm, the latest patch notes state that they fixed issues with the T6 Bortasque regarding missing geo and mismatchin parts.

    Does it look better to people? I somehow never really saw those gaping holes (like with the Kar'Fi), but it still doesn't seem that the Bortas Saucer or Hull play well with the hull or saucers of the Tier 6 variants. Does that work better for anyone else?

    Also, still no Type 4 Material.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    Hmm, the latest patch notes state that they fixed issues with the T6 Bortasque regarding missing geo and mismatchin parts.

    Does it look better to people? I somehow never really saw those gaping holes (like with the Kar'Fi), but it still doesn't seem that the Bortas Saucer or Hull play well with the hull or saucers of the Tier 6 variants. Does that work better for anyone else?

    Also, still no Type 4 Material.

    No. The part that sticks out to me with the worst gaps is the Gorkon's triple-nacelle cluster. Use those nacelles on anything but the Gorkon hull, you'll see big gaps from where the tips of the wings connect to the nacelle cluster. I'd like to use those nacelles on other hulls but that gap is significant.
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Hmm, the latest patch notes state that they fixed issues with the T6 Bortasque regarding missing geo and mismatchin parts.

    Does it look better to people? I somehow never really saw those gaping holes (like with the Kar'Fi), but it still doesn't seem that the Bortas Saucer or Hull play well with the hull or saucers of the Tier 6 variants. Does that work better for anyone else?

    Also, still no Type 4 Material.

    So, I went to the ship tailor and started playing with the different parts today.

    The T5 Bortas'que "head" (saucer? command section?) is too large to fit any of the T6 flagship "neck"s. The mismatch is really, really bad. The effect is like trying to taxidermy an elephant head to a cow body.

    One "body" was so bad, it looked like the product of an alien race that festooned it's outer hull with the wreckage of it's enemies. The severed head of a defeated Klingon Empire Flagship proudly displayed on the prow like a trophy.

    I don't know. I feel rather "meh" about the entire affair. I can still use the stock T5 Bortas'que ship appearance.
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