So the ship Enterprise is the target. Well, that is one mission I'll get behind if we have to save them all. From the NX to the Enterprise E. F if the Odyssey class Enterprise is in the episode.
And a ferasan officer, my lore is foggy but I'm guessing the Klingnons are friendly now.
The Klingon Empire officially joins the Federation some time in the century STO takes place
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Boldly going where no one has gone before!
See, this is why all but one of my captains would be horrible Temporal Agents, in addition to all of them being equally horrible Starfleet officers. Captain Mira Daelin sees orbital bombardment across entire continents as nothing major, while Captain Siron G'Ziph draws the line at wiping out population centers to soften an enemy up. Gotta preserve the biosphere and all that. Rowan Vaer at least doesn't embrace wholesale annihilation as a diplomatic tool, but is perfectly willing to employ...erm...Lets call it "specific asset reduction." And she's the nice one.
Their idea of "getting proactive" is wildly different from pretty much everyone else's.
Deva'vana, my Romulan Sci Captain, is a chipper and optimistic former schoolteacher with practically no military background or training. So I guess she'd get along great with the Pastak and the Timecops. Send her.
"So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
So the ship Enterprise is the target. Well, that is one mission I'll get behind if we have to save them all. From the NX to the Enterprise E. F if the Odyssey class Enterprise is in the episode.
And a ferasan officer, my lore is foggy but I'm guessing the Klingnons are friendly now.
The Klingon Empire officially joins the Federation some time in the century STO takes place
If that ever happens, I hope the the Federation causes the Klingons to finally calm down a bit. In a roughly equal ration to the presence of the Klingons getting the stick out of the Federation's TRIBBLE.
"So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
I love the way you're setting this story up for me. When I consider the fact that there is now a way to include all of Trek now in to ONE monolithic arc I get excited. Moving 'future' characters in and out of any given period in Federation history is sure to make for some of the best action I've seen in our Online Star Trek!
And a ferasan officer, my lore is foggy but I'm guessing the Klingnons are friendly now.
Yep, since the Undine attack on Qo'noS in Surface Tension I would've sooner imagined a Ferasan to be serving on a KDF temporal ship though.
But, exchange programs do exist
I wonder what it's like in that future. Did Cardassia eventually apply for Federation membership for example?
Wouldn't surprise me if the Cardassians are part of the Federation.
And maybe the temporal group is like those organizations that is cross faction and anyone can join.
I agree, the Cardassians are probably full Federation members. Especially after the events of the late 24th century where the Federation has been helping them rebuild their civilization.
What I don't understand is why a crew of time travelers, who have their own time machine, would have a need to actually stay ahead of their opponent...
Because as Annorax learned the very hard way, it's much easier to prevent someone from TRIBBLE up the timeline, than it is to actually undo the damage. Ounce of prevention, pound of cure and all that.
Consider the time Daniels took Archer forward in history and destroyed the Federation. If the Not'cool actually succeed in disrupting history and preventing the Federation, then the crew of the Pastak is suddenly alone and without support from the future. And presumably if their temporal shielding were to fail, they would be erased as well.
See, this is why all but one of my captains would be horrible Temporal Agents, in addition to all of them being equally horrible Starfleet officers. Captain Mira Daelin sees orbital bombardment across entire continents as nothing major, while Captain Siron G'Ziph draws the line at wiping out population centers to soften an enemy up. Gotta preserve the biosphere and all that. Rowan Vaer at least doesn't embrace wholesale annihilation as a diplomatic tool, but is perfectly willing to employ...erm...Lets call it "specific asset reduction." And she's the nice one.
Their idea of "getting proactive" is wildly different from pretty much everyone else's.
Deva'vana, my Romulan Sci Captain, is a chipper and optimistic former schoolteacher with practically no military background or training. So I guess she'd get along great with the Pastak and the Timecops. Send her.
Deva'vana sounds absolutely lovely. The other three might end up erasing themselves from the timeline, along with everyone else.
17 violations already clears it up, the connie. dont tell me they are going to haul that garbage scow to the future?
:: Scotty glares at you across space and time. ::
I think someone is gonna want to rephrase that.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
If they wanted to destroy the Federation, why not travel back to ancient times and conquer Earth with a hand phaser?
The pieces are well written, as always, but I really hate that timecop nonsense. "Vulnerable timespots", "temporal agents", ships they chase through time without altering anything - none of that makes sense.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
If they wanted to destroy the Federation, why not travel back to ancient times and conquer Earth with a hand phaser?
Too much work. Travel back to ancienter times and TRIBBLE in the primordial soup.
What if that's how humanity was made...like going back in time to TRIBBLE in the primordial soup is what creates it all.
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If they wanted to destroy the Federation, why not travel back to ancient times and conquer Earth with a hand phaser?
The pieces are well written, as always, but I really hate that timecop nonsense. "Vulnerable timespots", "temporal agents", ships they chase through time without altering anything - none of that makes sense.
If they wanted to destroy the Federation, why not travel back to ancient times and conquer Earth with a hand phaser?
Too much work. Travel back to ancienter times and TRIBBLE in the primordial soup.
What if that's how humanity was made...like going back in time to TRIBBLE in the primordial soup is what creates it all.
Not sure if it counts here but in the books this is why that can't happen.
The novel Watching the Clock explains factions involved in the Temporal Cold War avoid incursions in the time frame between the birth of the Federation in the 22nd Century and the destruction of the Borg in 2381. Previous novels explained that the Federation was indirectly responsible for both the creation and eventual destruction of the Borg Collective. Intervening in this time frame was seen as too risky for any faction because in every potential timeline where the Federation cannot destroy the Borg in 2381, the Collective assimilates the entire galaxy by the 27th century. The novel also establishes the motives of the Cabal's benefactor as being attempting to eliminate the ancestors of key temporal scientists who would attend an important conference in 2381 that would lead to the construction of a subspace defense grid that would alert anyone to attempts from future time travelers to interfere with history, thus hindering attempts to alter the timeline.
Not sure if it counts here but in the books this is why that can't happen.
The novel Watching the Clock explains factions involved in the Temporal Cold War avoid incursions in the time frame between the birth of the Federation in the 22nd Century and the destruction of the Borg in 2381. Previous novels explained that the Federation was indirectly responsible for both the creation and eventual destruction of the Borg Collective. Intervening in this time frame was seen as too risky for any faction because in every potential timeline where the Federation cannot destroy the Borg in 2381, the Collective assimilates the entire galaxy by the 27th century. The novel also establishes the motives of the Cabal's benefactor as being attempting to eliminate the ancestors of key temporal scientists who would attend an important conference in 2381 that would lead to the construction of a subspace defense grid that would alert anyone to attempts from future time travelers to interfere with history, thus hindering attempts to alter the timeline.
I just assume it is the same reason here as well.
That doesn't make sense. If the Federation is responsible for creating the Borg, removing the Federation prevents the Borg from ever existing as well. Aside from that, though, novelverse is it's own thing and can make as much nonsense as it wants.
It cannot be the same though as the Borg are clearly still around in 2410. Federation's hand in "creating" the Borg is not an established thing. In fact, canonically, the Borg started out as a humanoid race getting more and more reliant on their technology to the point they fused with it. When novels claim the Federation "created" the Borg I assume the authors didn't get the point of the Borg design before they wrote their flick
Only thing I like is creating a magic doodat that prevents casual time-travel forever, taking that out of the bigger picture so we don't have to endure it outside of singular episodes
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
If they wanted to destroy the Federation, why not travel back to ancient times and conquer Earth with a hand phaser?
Too much work. Travel back to ancienter times and TRIBBLE in the primordial soup.
Arrive in orbit during the Eugenics Wars, full torpedo spread the surface, move on. Simple.
"So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again."
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
I'm laying money on Enterprise-B, for some reason. It really hasn't been covered too much.
Alan Ruck has been very vocal that he'd like to play Harriman again and have him be more competent with some more experience. From what I gather, he's a big fan and it was kind of like taking a poison pill with a gourmet meal to be captain of the Enterprise but end up being the incompetent captain.
That was part of why he did that fan film by Tim Russ but I think he's squarely in the realm of the kind of actor Cryptic's been surprising us with lately.
You know, what would be kinda funny? The Na'kuhl go in and make sure the Enterprise-B has a tractor beam and photon torpedo installed ahead of schedule. This could result in, say, Kirk returning to Starfleet one last time and the peace with the Klingons disintegrating. Meanwhile, Lursa ends up becoming the chancellor. And Federation researchers on the Amargosa Observatory develop a terrible trilithium weapon. So we have to go in and sabotage the Enterprise-B to make sure Kirk dies.
Not sure if it counts here but in the books this is why that can't happen.
The novel Watching the Clock explains factions involved in the Temporal Cold War avoid incursions in the time frame between the birth of the Federation in the 22nd Century and the destruction of the Borg in 2381. Previous novels explained that the Federation was indirectly responsible for both the creation and eventual destruction of the Borg Collective. Intervening in this time frame was seen as too risky for any faction because in every potential timeline where the Federation cannot destroy the Borg in 2381, the Collective assimilates the entire galaxy by the 27th century. The novel also establishes the motives of the Cabal's benefactor as being attempting to eliminate the ancestors of key temporal scientists who would attend an important conference in 2381 that would lead to the construction of a subspace defense grid that would alert anyone to attempts from future time travelers to interfere with history, thus hindering attempts to alter the timeline.
I just assume it is the same reason here as well.
That doesn't make sense. If the Federation is responsible for creating the Borg, removing the Federation prevents the Borg from ever existing as well. Aside from that, though, novelverse is it's own thing and can make as much nonsense as it wants.
It cannot be the same though as the Borg are clearly still around in 2410. Federation's hand in "creating" the Borg is not an established thing. In fact, canonically, the Borg started out as a humanoid race getting more and more reliant on their technology to the point they fused with it. When novels claim the Federation "created" the Borg I assume the authors didn't get the point of the Borg design before they wrote their flick
Only thing I like is creating a magic doodat that prevents casual time-travel forever, taking that out of the bigger picture so we don't have to endure it outside of singular episodes
A thing I thought about from when Butterfly came out:
Erasing someone from the timeline also risks undoing what they'll do in the future to alter the past. It also affects off-worlders.
For example:
In the off-worlder scenario: Maybe Flint or Guinan is essential to the Na'kuhl. Destroying earth too soon may result in their lives getting diverted.
In the scenario where you need the Federation, maybe removing the Federation before a key point upsets Klingon or Romulan power balance or disrupts Vulcan culture.
In the time traveler scenario, maybe you have something like a time travel mission Archer went on created the Na'kuhl to begin with. Unlikely but just an example.
There was an interesting novel where Scotty goes back in time to save Kirk from dying on the Enterprise-B. This resulted in Picard having no assistance at Veridian III. The Enterprise-D was lost with all hands and Picard failed to stop Soran. This meant the Borg succeeded in going back in time to stop First Contact. Saving Kirk from the Nexus meant Kirk was never born and the Federation never existed to begin with. It also meant El Auria was never assimilated because the Borg responded to the signal in the 21st century and focused their efforts on Federation space.
You have to consider not just what someone has done but the things you need them to do in the past for the present to unfold the desired way.
Think of it this way: If Na'kuhl go back and kill Rachel Garrett, maybe the Enterprise-C doesn't wind up getting shunted to an alternate timeline where it picks up Tasha Yar who gives birth to Sela who goes back to both save and anger the Iconians. And without the Iconians, Romulus doesn't blow up. BUT without Sela's plan in "Unification", the Vulcans and Romulans are in the midst of a successful reunification. Consequently, Tuvok is not in Starfleet. Something goes wrong with Voyager and Telek R'Mor does not receive Voyager's messages 20 years before. Maybe it turns out that R'Mor's notes were involved in the Romulan observation of DS9 in the episode Visionary. They destroy DS9 and close the wormhole without hesitation this time. Benjamin Sisko is unable to stop Darvin from going back in time and killing Kirk with an exploding tribble. The Klingon Empire expands unchecked until the Borg turn up. The Borg are conquered by the Undine without Janeway to give them assistance. In turn, no one is there to stop the Devidians from going back to kill everyone on Drosana including Scotty and McCoy. Without Scotty, no one invents transparent aluminum in the 1980s. This prevents Zefram Cochrane's warp flight. No one is able to stop the Devidians in 1893. Guinan dies. Earth slowly falls. Flint's life force is devoured by Dividians. The interstellar financier known as Brack (Flint's alias) never exists and maybe Brack's fortune was somehow responsible for enriching a Ferengi whose clout allowed him to broker a truce between the Na'kuhl and the Breen.
Something simple like that. :-)
Basically, I realized awhile back that the natural course of events with time travel is a ricochet of events until you wipe yourself out. As long as a culture can time travel, they will and they will until they either erase their time travel capability or prevent themselves from existing. Unless you have some kind of pact in place and you vigilantly police your own self-preservation.
There was a novel that dealt with the possibility of Kirk avoiding being sucked into the Nexus due to temporal manipulation (by Scotty). The novel was titled "Engines of Destiny", by Gene DeWeese. The butterfly effect from that incident unfolded as follows:
No Kirk in the Nexus means that Picard went back to face Dr. Soran again alone, and died trying, resulting in the loss of all Enterprise-D personnel when the Veredian star was destroyed.
No Picard and no Enterprise-E at the Battle of Sector 001 means that nobody was able to stop the Borg from going back to 2063, stopping First Contact, and assimilating Earth, and then gradually all of the worlds that would have become Federation core worlds, and then the Federation's neighbors.
I love the way you're setting this story up for me. When I consider the fact that there is now a way to include all of Trek now in to ONE monolithic arc I get excited. Moving 'future' characters in and out of any given period in Federation history is sure to make for some of the best action I've seen in our Online Star Trek!
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Never played Star Trek Legacy did you?
I can never figure out how some people see a post by a person and somehow change it to fit an idea that the second poster/quoter has pulled literally from nowhere.
Why does saying I like Star Trek Online mean that I never played ST: Legacy?
I mean Really?
Please tell me how those two ideas became coupled in your head CaptainD3.
Because it's a mystery to me, how you somehow see ST ONLINE being ST LEGACY. Or any other incarnation of Star Trek. Wow! Just wow.
That doesn't make sense. If the Federation is responsible for creating the Borg, removing the Federation prevents the Borg from ever existing as well. Aside from that, though, novelverse is it's own thing and can make as much nonsense as it wants.
It cannot be the same though as the Borg are clearly still around in 2410.
For STO, you'd have to replace the Borg with the Iconians, of course. No temporal faction wants the Iconians to rule the galaxy.
This is why I hate time travel stuff. Even the most minor of stuff changes massive stuff in the far future. I mean take even the mirror episodes in Enterprise, they killed off those first contact Vulcans. And then made it like everything progressed just the same but with a slightly darker tone. In reality you'd probably end up with a timeline so different you would not recognise it. The same ships would not be developed, the same races would never be met, the same wars never fought. That's why the mirror storylines always feel a bit rubbish to me, even a tiny change would have massive consequences, it wouldn't just result in a Galaxy class having a slightly funky paint scheme or Leeta being evil!
"For STO, you'd have to replace the Borg with the Iconians, of course."
But if the Alliance hadn't gone back in time and saved/angered the Iconians, the Iconians wouldn't even exist anymore, let alone be a threat to anyone. Stopping that event happening is in the galaxy's best interests (with the benefit on hindsight).
(And if the PC had listened to Sela and killed them all in the first place, they could have prevented not just the destruction of Hobus, but most of the storyline to STO. Oh wait....)
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Yeah, the guy who womanized time itself!
Boldly going where no one has gone before!
See, this is why all but one of my captains would be horrible Temporal Agents, in addition to all of them being equally horrible Starfleet officers. Captain Mira Daelin sees orbital bombardment across entire continents as nothing major, while Captain Siron G'Ziph draws the line at wiping out population centers to soften an enemy up. Gotta preserve the biosphere and all that. Rowan Vaer at least doesn't embrace wholesale annihilation as a diplomatic tool, but is perfectly willing to employ...erm...Lets call it "specific asset reduction." And she's the nice one.
Their idea of "getting proactive" is wildly different from pretty much everyone else's.
Deva'vana, my Romulan Sci Captain, is a chipper and optimistic former schoolteacher with practically no military background or training. So I guess she'd get along great with the Pastak and the Timecops. Send her.
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
If that ever happens, I hope the the Federation causes the Klingons to finally calm down a bit. In a roughly equal ration to the presence of the Klingons getting the stick out of the Federation's TRIBBLE.
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
Another great one.
Never played Star Trek Legacy did you?
I agree, the Cardassians are probably full Federation members. Especially after the events of the late 24th century where the Federation has been helping them rebuild their civilization.
Because as Annorax learned the very hard way, it's much easier to prevent someone from TRIBBLE up the timeline, than it is to actually undo the damage. Ounce of prevention, pound of cure and all that.
Consider the time Daniels took Archer forward in history and destroyed the Federation. If the Not'cool actually succeed in disrupting history and preventing the Federation, then the crew of the Pastak is suddenly alone and without support from the future. And presumably if their temporal shielding were to fail, they would be erased as well.
Deva'vana sounds absolutely lovely. The other three might end up erasing themselves from the timeline, along with everyone else.
I think someone is gonna want to rephrase that.
The pieces are well written, as always, but I really hate that timecop nonsense. "Vulnerable timespots", "temporal agents", ships they chase through time without altering anything - none of that makes sense.
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What if that's how humanity was made...like going back in time to TRIBBLE in the primordial soup is what creates it all.
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Not sure if it counts here but in the books this is why that can't happen.
The novel Watching the Clock explains factions involved in the Temporal Cold War avoid incursions in the time frame between the birth of the Federation in the 22nd Century and the destruction of the Borg in 2381. Previous novels explained that the Federation was indirectly responsible for both the creation and eventual destruction of the Borg Collective. Intervening in this time frame was seen as too risky for any faction because in every potential timeline where the Federation cannot destroy the Borg in 2381, the Collective assimilates the entire galaxy by the 27th century. The novel also establishes the motives of the Cabal's benefactor as being attempting to eliminate the ancestors of key temporal scientists who would attend an important conference in 2381 that would lead to the construction of a subspace defense grid that would alert anyone to attempts from future time travelers to interfere with history, thus hindering attempts to alter the timeline.
I just assume it is the same reason here as well.
That doesn't make sense. If the Federation is responsible for creating the Borg, removing the Federation prevents the Borg from ever existing as well. Aside from that, though, novelverse is it's own thing and can make as much nonsense as it wants.
It cannot be the same though as the Borg are clearly still around in 2410. Federation's hand in "creating" the Borg is not an established thing. In fact, canonically, the Borg started out as a humanoid race getting more and more reliant on their technology to the point they fused with it. When novels claim the Federation "created" the Borg I assume the authors didn't get the point of the Borg design before they wrote their flick
Only thing I like is creating a magic doodat that prevents casual time-travel forever, taking that out of the bigger picture so we don't have to endure it outside of singular episodes
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You'd run into Picard and Q. Not worth it.
Arrive in orbit during the Eugenics Wars, full torpedo spread the surface, move on. Simple.
-Dedication plaque of the Federation Starship U.S.S. Merkava
Alan Ruck has been very vocal that he'd like to play Harriman again and have him be more competent with some more experience. From what I gather, he's a big fan and it was kind of like taking a poison pill with a gourmet meal to be captain of the Enterprise but end up being the incompetent captain.
That was part of why he did that fan film by Tim Russ but I think he's squarely in the realm of the kind of actor Cryptic's been surprising us with lately.
You know, what would be kinda funny? The Na'kuhl go in and make sure the Enterprise-B has a tractor beam and photon torpedo installed ahead of schedule. This could result in, say, Kirk returning to Starfleet one last time and the peace with the Klingons disintegrating. Meanwhile, Lursa ends up becoming the chancellor. And Federation researchers on the Amargosa Observatory develop a terrible trilithium weapon. So we have to go in and sabotage the Enterprise-B to make sure Kirk dies.
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A thing I thought about from when Butterfly came out:
Erasing someone from the timeline also risks undoing what they'll do in the future to alter the past. It also affects off-worlders.
For example:
In the off-worlder scenario: Maybe Flint or Guinan is essential to the Na'kuhl. Destroying earth too soon may result in their lives getting diverted.
In the scenario where you need the Federation, maybe removing the Federation before a key point upsets Klingon or Romulan power balance or disrupts Vulcan culture.
In the time traveler scenario, maybe you have something like a time travel mission Archer went on created the Na'kuhl to begin with. Unlikely but just an example.
There was an interesting novel where Scotty goes back in time to save Kirk from dying on the Enterprise-B. This resulted in Picard having no assistance at Veridian III. The Enterprise-D was lost with all hands and Picard failed to stop Soran. This meant the Borg succeeded in going back in time to stop First Contact. Saving Kirk from the Nexus meant Kirk was never born and the Federation never existed to begin with. It also meant El Auria was never assimilated because the Borg responded to the signal in the 21st century and focused their efforts on Federation space.
You have to consider not just what someone has done but the things you need them to do in the past for the present to unfold the desired way.
Think of it this way: If Na'kuhl go back and kill Rachel Garrett, maybe the Enterprise-C doesn't wind up getting shunted to an alternate timeline where it picks up Tasha Yar who gives birth to Sela who goes back to both save and anger the Iconians. And without the Iconians, Romulus doesn't blow up. BUT without Sela's plan in "Unification", the Vulcans and Romulans are in the midst of a successful reunification. Consequently, Tuvok is not in Starfleet. Something goes wrong with Voyager and Telek R'Mor does not receive Voyager's messages 20 years before. Maybe it turns out that R'Mor's notes were involved in the Romulan observation of DS9 in the episode Visionary. They destroy DS9 and close the wormhole without hesitation this time. Benjamin Sisko is unable to stop Darvin from going back in time and killing Kirk with an exploding tribble. The Klingon Empire expands unchecked until the Borg turn up. The Borg are conquered by the Undine without Janeway to give them assistance. In turn, no one is there to stop the Devidians from going back to kill everyone on Drosana including Scotty and McCoy. Without Scotty, no one invents transparent aluminum in the 1980s. This prevents Zefram Cochrane's warp flight. No one is able to stop the Devidians in 1893. Guinan dies. Earth slowly falls. Flint's life force is devoured by Dividians. The interstellar financier known as Brack (Flint's alias) never exists and maybe Brack's fortune was somehow responsible for enriching a Ferengi whose clout allowed him to broker a truce between the Na'kuhl and the Breen.
Something simple like that. :-)
Basically, I realized awhile back that the natural course of events with time travel is a ricochet of events until you wipe yourself out. As long as a culture can time travel, they will and they will until they either erase their time travel capability or prevent themselves from existing. Unless you have some kind of pact in place and you vigilantly police your own self-preservation.
No Kirk in the Nexus means that Picard went back to face Dr. Soran again alone, and died trying, resulting in the loss of all Enterprise-D personnel when the Veredian star was destroyed.
No Picard and no Enterprise-E at the Battle of Sector 001 means that nobody was able to stop the Borg from going back to 2063, stopping First Contact, and assimilating Earth, and then gradually all of the worlds that would have become Federation core worlds, and then the Federation's neighbors.
I can never figure out how some people see a post by a person and somehow change it to fit an idea that the second poster/quoter has pulled literally from nowhere.
Why does saying I like Star Trek Online mean that I never played ST: Legacy?
I mean Really?
Please tell me how those two ideas became coupled in your head CaptainD3.
Because it's a mystery to me, how you somehow see ST ONLINE being ST LEGACY. Or any other incarnation of Star Trek. Wow! Just wow.
I mean take even the mirror episodes in Enterprise, they killed off those first contact Vulcans. And then made it like everything progressed just the same but with a slightly darker tone.
In reality you'd probably end up with a timeline so different you would not recognise it. The same ships would not be developed, the same races would never be met, the same wars never fought.
That's why the mirror storylines always feel a bit rubbish to me, even a tiny change would have massive consequences, it wouldn't just result in a Galaxy class having a slightly funky paint scheme or Leeta being evil!
But if the Alliance hadn't gone back in time and saved/angered the Iconians, the Iconians wouldn't even exist anymore, let alone be a threat to anyone. Stopping that event happening is in the galaxy's best interests (with the benefit on hindsight).
(And if the PC had listened to Sela and killed them all in the first place, they could have prevented not just the destruction of Hobus, but most of the storyline to STO. Oh wait....)
Q learned that the hard way.