The Voth

lessley00

By far one of the more interesting species in Star Trek. The Voth originated on Earth 65 million years ago as an intelligent race and built a civilization. Clearly they were about as advanced as us are right now maybe more. Somtime before the K-T meteorite impact the Voth left Earth due to the meteor approaching the planet. My theroy is the Voth built a sleeper ship(s) capable of sublight speeds and set the autopilot for a nearby system perhaps Alpha Centuri or Sirius. Why they didn't reach either system was maybe the autopilot failed and they continued drifting for millions of years until about oh 10-20 thousand years ago their ship ventured into an asteroid ring littered with omega particles and the interferance disrupted their ships systems and woke them up. They found themselves stranded in that field with no habitable systems anywhere within a dozen light-years or so and their cryo-tubes were inoperable and their supplies were running short. They then started gathering resorces from nearby non-habitable systems in auxillary ships and built on their ship(s), growing crops in hydroponic bays, improving on their power sorce soon creating an entire station with hundreds of thousands of Voth thriving inside.

By now the Great Voth Circle consists of hundreds of star systems with the largest fleet and the largest ships in the known galaxy, the Home Station is about Death Star-sized (but not Death Star-shaped) and is the center of Voth civilization.

My thought is the Voth joined in the Vaadwaur conflict but didn't join the Delta Alliance, and this isolation began to start debate and conflict in the Circle. Soon the Voth were seperated in two factions in open war, one disregarding the Doctrine and allied with the Delta Alliance, the other remaining traditionalist. During a battle in and around the Home Station the Heralds snuck in and attacked both sides devestating their forces and destroying the Home Station. After the battle the survivors of the attack and the remnants of the military resided on the two remaining Fortresses. They chose to join the Alpha Quadrant Colation/Delta Alliance and took an active role in the Iconian War.

Correct me if you want on my theroy and post reviews. I might add some additional thoughts later on

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rahmkota19

Voth? You mean that ship I blew up? Or that other ship? Or, you know, that bigger ship? Perhaps that ground dude I shot?

To be serious though, nothing we have seen supports a Voth Civil War. There are dissidents, of course, but they are small-numbered, and they have a tendency of not engaging in violent ways with the Voth forces. I also saw no evidence of them fighting anywhere following the Vaadwaur attack on the Turei homeworld.

Voth timeline in STO:
- The Voth and Borg enter a state of open warfare somewhere prior to the events of Sphere of Influence
- We meet them and immediately begin shooting their asses in the Dyson sphere
- We continue battling until the Undine kick in and start blowing stuff up everywhere
- We meet them again during Borg Disconnected, where they are going on a massive offensive towards a Borg Unicomplex
- They get vaped by the Vaadwaur over the Turei homeworld
- They enter isolation, not to be seen ever since.

I do like the thought you have on how they ended up in the Delta Quadrant, but 20.000 years seems a bit short. They themselves mention a period of time of twenty millions of years. This also seems like a long enough period of time to stick ones head in the end where waste usually leaves the body and to forget they came from Earth. It also seems like long enough to develop advanced technology, including the ability to savely transport Omega molecules.

They are very isolationist, honoring their alliances until it seems fruitless to do so, and taking any action to protect themselves, including willingness to detonate Omega molecules around their space just to keep the Borg at bay. They will fight out their own wars, but will not become involved in conflicts of others.

They also have DINOS WITH FRICKIN LASERS.

lessley00

rahmkota19 wrote: »

Voth? You mean that ship I blew up? Or that other ship? Or, you know, that bigger ship? Perhaps that ground dude I shot?

To be serious though, nothing we have seen supports a Voth Civil War. There are dissidents, of course, but they are small-numbered, and they have a tendency of not engaging in violent ways with the Voth forces. I also saw no evidence of them fighting anywhere following the Vaadwaur attack on the Turei homeworld.

Voth timeline in STO:
- The Voth and Borg enter a state of open warfare somewhere prior to the events of Sphere of Influence
- We meet them and immediately begin shooting their asses in the Dyson sphere
- We continue battling until the Undine kick in and start blowing stuff up everywhere
- We meet them again during Borg Disconnected, where they are going on a massive offensive towards a Borg Unicomplex
- They get vaped by the Vaadwaur over the Turei homeworld
- They enter isolation, not to be seen ever since.

I do like the thought you have on how they ended up in the Delta Quadrant, but 20.000 years seems a bit short. They themselves mention a period of time of twenty millions of years. This also seems like a long enough period of time to stick ones head in the end where waste usually leaves the body and to forget they came from Earth. It also seems like long enough to develop advanced technology, including the ability to savely transport Omega molecules.

They are very isolationist, honoring their alliances until it seems fruitless to do so, and taking any action to protect themselves, including willingness to detonate Omega molecules around their space just to keep the Borg at bay. They will fight out their own wars, but will not become involved in conflicts of others.

They also have DINOS WITH FRICKIN LASERS.

Thanks for the correction, however I would like to note a few things

I am following my personal headcanon, not STO canon

20,000 years seems enough, look at humans, in under ONE thousand years they developed safe time travel

And thats hard to believe, I mean 20 million years and the best they got are ships bigger than star destroyers, transwarp, more complex long-range sensors, and transporting entire ships

My thought was they didnt come to the Vaadwaur, the Vaadwaur came to them. the DA had the technology to resist Vaadwaur weaponry, they joined in a few campaigns (headcanon: assisting whats left of the Krenim fleet in retaking the Krenim Homeworld Talverah and the operation at Vaadwaur Prime, or as I call it: Vaanara)

warmaker001b

I don't see the Voth engaging in a civil war of their own. They have repeatedly shown the capability to suppress dissident thought and ensure a persistent frame of mind in their people. Nelen Exil is that anomaly. I also imagine that with the Voth actually being surrounded by troublesome little powers, it probably makes it even easier to promote that single, common frame of mind among their people. In their minds, it seems to be an "Us vs Everyone Else" mentality.

The Voth have also repeatedly shown that they are isolationist and hostile at the same time. They helped against the Vaadwaur only for the sake of assisting a subservient group and not really out of a desire to help the Delta Alliance. They have shown no desire to seek or give help against the Borg or even Iconian threat. The very first time the Delta Alliance encounters them, we're already shooting each other. We have had an entire STO Season dedicated to conflict with the Voth with zero dialogue with their government. We have blown up or have seen destroyed a number of their Citadel Ships and it hasn't fazed them at all.

In short, the Voth have the strength to enforce their isolationism and have shown enough of a "Shoot First" mentality. Nobody in the Delta Quadrant can do anything to them, not even the Borg.

lessley00

Read. The. Post. Above. You.

theraven2378

The Voth have shown xenophobic arrogance as well, they consider primate species to be beneath them.
As for their technological and military strength, they are a Delta Quadrant Superpower

lessley00

They worked ALONGSIDE the DA just to defeat one of their greatest enemys

warmaker001b

I'm not sure where in STO you see the Voth helping the Delta Alliance. They have repeatedly fought the Delta Alliance. The only one coming to mind where it was a neutral setting is with the Turei, and they were only there because they had a political agreement with the Turei to protect them. Outside that, they really gave 2 TRIBBLE about everything else.

lessley00

Note: This is my personal headcanon, not STO canon

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markhawkman

Yeah, the Voth seem to have a sort of enforced non-technological advancement as part of their doctrine.

jonsills

But we are not bound to respect your headcanon, particularly where it conflicts with a) established game lore, and b) the size of the galaxy. From here to Voth space is around 70,000 lightyears or so (cf numbers cited repeated in VOY); even at the speed of light, it would then take 70 thousand years to arrive, and ISTR a mention of the flight of their ancestors being aboard sublight craft. (Not a question fully explored, of course, as they maintain that they're from the DQ originally, and the oldest sapient life ever, even when both statements fly in the face of readily-available facts.)

Also, if they'd been resident on their "home"world for most of the past 65 million years, they'd have evolved significantly farther than they have - sure, evolution is a slow process, but 65 million years ago our ancestors were basically voles. And genetic drift is no respecter of tradition. It makes rather more sense to assume that they spent millions of years in transit, possibly in some form of cryogenic suspension (which here on Earth seems to work better for reptilian forms than mammalian), arrived on their new world, and for whatever reason set about structuring their new society such that it denies the existence of their origin or their flight.