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My next ship: Eclipse or Concorde?
ambassadormolari
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So, thanks to a hefty amount of grinding (and a lot of the rewards from the Delta Recruit event), I'm now nearing 3000 zen, with which I hope to finally buy a fancy zen store ship for my Federation Engineer main. As tempting as the Galaxy variants are, I've narrowed the choices down to the two ships that appeal to me the most: the Concorde Command Battlecruiser and the Eclipse Intel. Both have a lot of unique benefits and abilities, both can allow for very strong builds, and both ships look quite nice in the bargain.
So, I'm going to ask you more experienced Federation gamers:
1. Which ship is generally more effective as an all-rounder that I can use in multiple roles? Note that I primarily play PVE. I'd ask which you enjoy using more, but I know that fun is completely subjective.
2. In your opinion, which ship looks nicer?* Ie, which can you better envision flying across a title sequence as someone says "space, the final frontier" in the background?
Your feedback, as always, is welcome.
*For this question, I'm asking about the Eclipse as it is, without its variant nacelles. I know that the Eclipse with Scryer nacelles looks fantastic, but I'm also aware, sadly, that I'd have to buy the Scryer to get the aforementioned nacelles.
So, I'm going to ask you more experienced Federation gamers:
1. Which ship is generally more effective as an all-rounder that I can use in multiple roles? Note that I primarily play PVE. I'd ask which you enjoy using more, but I know that fun is completely subjective.
2. In your opinion, which ship looks nicer?* Ie, which can you better envision flying across a title sequence as someone says "space, the final frontier" in the background?
Your feedback, as always, is welcome.
*For this question, I'm asking about the Eclipse as it is, without its variant nacelles. I know that the Eclipse with Scryer nacelles looks fantastic, but I'm also aware, sadly, that I'd have to buy the Scryer to get the aforementioned nacelles.
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No Fed TAC Cruiser in this game approaches the level of handling, flexibility, firepower of the Eclipse. There are 2 mixed things about it:
1. Aesthetically speaking, not many people like it. I don't like how it looks, either.
2. The trait "Battle Ready" is not as useful as some. It can be good when you're running lots of ENG & Intel abilities. The extra defense rung up by this trait works very well with the Phantom's "Reciprocity" trait.
Outside these 2 issues of the Eclipse, you will find no finer Fed TAC Cruiser. The thing WANTS to fly like a Klingon Battlecruiser and that's a very good thing compared to the other Fed Cruisers that are more sluggish.
The ENG Command FDC? Personally, I'm not fond of it. Very mediocre BOFF & Console layout, as well as all the other inherent problems of the Command FDCs, a bit of which I covered at the very top of my reply in the link above. The trait on the ENG Command FDC is also terrible.
**IF** you get a Command FDC, let it be only one: The TAC version. The trait "All Hands On Deck" is fabulous but the ship itself to me is very "meh."
Srsly though, that thing is a beast. It's glorious intel cmdr. seat is a blessing and will bring doom & destruction to all your enemies. The gathering intel mechanic might be kind of "meh" but only because non-boss ships won't live long enough to be affected by it.
Also the AoE vampire consoles is pretty neat since it got the passive stat buff. I highly recommend the fleet version to give your OSS powered barrages of SS3 or BFAW an extra punch with that 4th tac console.
With the right traits, consoles & stuff it might be maneuverable be enough to wield cannons soemwhat decently but I wouldn't recommend it. That's more a thing for it's kdf counterpart the Qib with it's battlecloak and it's cannon trait.
Hmm, I should probably point out at this stage that I'm what many would call a casual player, and have neither the time nor commitment to grind for high-end consoles or a full antiproton arsenal. That being said, you've made a very good case for the Eclipse.
Yes, the Presidio is definitely a beautiful ship, and one that I was also seriously considering. I'll think I'll now consider the Presidio in place of the Concorde vs the Eclipse.
Yeah, I've seen pics of the Eclipse with Scryer nacelles, and it looks amazing. Unfortunately, I don't feel willing to buy another ship in addition to the Eclipse just to add its nacelles (especially since I'm not sure if I'll ever use the Scryer)
T6 Galaxy-X isn't fit to hold the Eclipse's or T6 Avenger's jockstrap.
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trait: Eclipse: Battle ready +Defense, +Damage Resistance after using an Engineering or Intel Bridge Officer ability.
+7.5 All Damage Resistance Rating for 15 sec when using an Engineering or Intelligence Bridge Officer ability.
to self: +7.5% Defense for 15 sec when using and Engineering or Intelligence Bridge Officer ability.
Presidio: All Hands On Deck -Recharge on Science and Captain abilities.
-10% Recharge Time on Science Bridge Officer abilities.
Self: -5% Recharge Time on Captain Abilities.
Can occur once every 5 seconds.
Definitely not.
I'm one of the biggest fans of the Presidio you'll find, but the Presidio can't touch the firepower of the Eclipse. The Eclipse and the Aribter are the pinnacle of offensive power for the Federation side.
Presidio definitely wins on the trait, and it's just plan tough as nails. The Presidio is a great ship, but if you're after pure firepower your choice should be between the Eclipse or the Arbiter.
Between those two, Arbiter wins because it has a better trait. Concorde isn't even in the discussion, the Concorde is flat out awful.
Agree with everything you said, except for the Concorde. It's not awful, I flew the Concorde for 5-6 months until about a month ago (bought the Arbiter). I was able to push out quite a bit of dps on it. But people shouldn't be flying it for dps, as like you said. The Arbiter is far better on dps. While the Concorde focuses on defense and relying on hangar pets.
Very late to reply to you. But I never said anything about having to have top of the line gear, have AP, etc. We've talked about nothing but ships and to an extent, traits.
The ship first and foremost is your foundation. A solid ship combined with a wisely put together build, and familiarity with this game's content will curbstomp-the-ever-living-TRIBBLE out of this game. Mk XII Very Rare is OP in this game. Anything above that is honestly taking lunch money from a child.
The Presidio does everything the Concorde does only better. It also comes with a far better trait. The sad truth is that the Concorde was rendered obsolete the day it was released. Can it be a servicable ship? Sure it can, but if you're going to buy one ship and one ship only and you buy the Concorde over the Presidio then you have sadly made a mistake.
Neither ship compares to the Arbiter from a pure DPS perspective, but the Presidio can get much closer while still doing anything the Concorde can do and doing it better. I can honestly say that I can't think of a single Federation T6 ship worse then the Concorde. The only reason I own it is because it came in the pack with the far superior Presidio and Geneva.
Also, re: appearance: my only real beef with it was that the nacelles looked pretty weird. That being said, I've gotten quite used to it, plus, lets be honest, the Aegis set makes almost anything look better.
You picked a fine ship, you can't go wrong with The Eclipse. Glad you're enjoying it!
I agree, I have the Phantom so I run my Eclipse with the Phantom Nacelles and it looks much better (in my opinion.)
I also agree on the Trait, Battle Ready is a vastly under rated trait. I run it on almost all my builds.
Well said.
The Phantom's and Eclipse's traits work marvelous together.
Battle Ready grants evasion bonus => mobs keep missing => you get a reduced cooldown on tac & intel powers.
The eclipse really is made for this.
Running that combo an every fed character.
Starship traits: AHOD and reciprocity( cooldowns on intel, tac, sci and capt powers), subwarp sheath and pedal 2( for 30+ extra damage) plus emegency weapon power( beam power use to 5.7 when used with cruiser command.) All ships bought dil to zen route when the exchange rate was more favourable.