are rainbows bad?

whistlerdavid

i am lvl 53 atm but i can do some major damage with my epic anti proton beams. i was doing a borg rep earlier. and we almost lost the cube was almost in the portal. i seemed to be the only one killing anything. everyone else was lvl 60 i looked around and notice everyone else had different beams instead of just using one kind.it looked like a bunch of rainbows.does it lower your damage out put by using all different beams? thats the only thing i could think of why everyone was doing such low damage

ryugasirius

There might be different versions of the same beam type (i.e. protonic polaron, phased polaron, thoron infused polaron etc.) that sometimes have different colour despite being essentially the same weapon (with a different proc).

A totally rainbow approach is usually bad (unless it's a science ship with too few tac consoles to actually matter).

smokeybacon90

You can very feasibly run a rainbow boat with one of every damage type, and use +Beam consoles, and with decent gear, traits and piloting, out-DPS 99% of the playerbase. The loss of dps compared to an energy specific build is minimal compared to all the other factors involved.

delliboy

Wait I thought that would be a drain on power

gradii

if it's chronitons it's probably more trouble than it's worth. temporal mechanics are a headache.

bergins

Rainbows are visions,
They're only illusions,
Rainbows have nothing to hide.

So I've been told,
And some choose to believe it,
But I know they're wrong, wait and see...

goodscotch

smokeybacon90 wrote: »

You can very feasibly run a rainbow boat with one of every damage type, and use +Beam consoles, and with decent gear, traits and piloting, out-DPS 99% of the playerbase. The loss of dps compared to an energy specific build is minimal compared to all the other factors involved.

This is the only feasible approach to weapons that utilize different energy types. And even with this approach as this poster says...at least they should all be either beams or cannons and have those tactical consoles to enhance the damage for all.

twg042370

does it lower your damage out put by using all different beams? thats the only thing i could think of why everyone was doing such low damage

They might have been doing relatively low damage because they haven't played the game long enough to amass the quarter billion EC needed to buy a full row of consoles now.

samt1996

At one time it was a huge DPS loss but these days not so much... it isn't optimal but it's fun!

TASTE THE RAINBOW!!!

alexhayden

bergins wrote: »

Rainbows are visions,
They're only illusions,
Rainbows have nothing to hide.

So I've been told,
And some choose to believe it,
But I know they're wrong, wait and see...

Ahhh...words of wisdom from a banjo playing green frog. Now that takes me back...

mosul33

ryugasirius wrote: »

A totally rainbow approach is usually bad (unless it's a science ship with too few tac consoles to actually matter).

Not necesarrly. Been experiencing with the breen carrier rainbow, wich mind you has actually 4 tac consoles, wich is pretty decent. Wanted to force into my old polarized distruptor drain build the new quantum phaser beam+console set from one of the FE. Swiched to +beam consoles, and afterwards even included (well actually replaced some of the polarized disruptor beams) the tetryon omni beam (again from one of the episodes, cant recall now wich) and the distruptor beam from the terran reputation, wich set it to fire last. There isnt a big difference from the old no-rainbow build.

hawku001x

Rainbows are fine, but double rainbows are cause for alarm.

crm14916

samt1996 wrote: »

At one time it was a huge DPS loss but these days not so much... it isn't optimal but it's fun!

TASTE THE RAINBOW!!!

That's why I run a rainbow build on my KDF Ferasan Sci Captain in the Ferengi D'Kora... It's fun!

CM

captainpugwash1

I use rainbow Disruptors, it looks nice.

seaofsorrows

smokeybacon90 wrote: »

You can very feasibly run a rainbow boat with one of every damage type, and use +Beam consoles, and with decent gear, traits and piloting, out-DPS 99% of the playerbase. The loss of dps compared to an energy specific build is minimal compared to all the other factors involved.

This.

The +Beam Consoles really aren't that much less damage then the ones specific to one energy type. Yes, they're a slight drop off, but some people prefer them because they then can shop for weapons with the Mods they want and just buy whatever energy type is cheapest.

I have a friend that did this, he just uses 4 +Beam consoles and bought whatever CritD/Pen beams were the cheapest on the exchange. It looks a little funny because he has like 4 different color beams, but he tears through everything just fine.

Rainbows are feasable, they're just like anything else..they have to be built and played right. If you give a 'perfect build' to someone that doesn't know what they're doing, the gear won't make them good.

artan42

I have a rainbow disruptor build on my KDF canon ship. Very colourful and still all one type.​​

lianthelia

twg042370 wrote: »

does it lower your damage out put by using all different beams? thats the only thing i could think of why everyone was doing such low damage

They might have been doing relatively low damage because they haven't played the game long enough to amass the quarter billion EC needed to buy a full row of consoles now.

Consoles are one of the easiest and cheapest things to obtain unless you're trying to go for a super perfect build...only consoles that are going to cost you a ton are ones with EPS on them...and they aren't needed unless you're going for perfect.

gulberat

I have a ship on my "for fun" toon that has regular phasers, a quantum phasers, and biomolecular phasers just because I find it funny and it makes it look like I threw phasers, disruptors, and tetryons on the same boat.

warmaker001b

smokeybacon90 wrote: »

You can very feasibly run a rainbow boat with one of every damage type, and use +Beam consoles, and with decent gear, traits and piloting, out-DPS 99% of the playerbase. The loss of dps compared to an energy specific build is minimal compared to all the other factors involved.

To add onto what smokey is saying, Rainbow Builds aren't weak if they're not done on the cheap. A big example are the TAC Consoles. There's generic Beam, Cannon, Mine, Torpedo TAC console damage types. They're also divided between the Fleet Spire TAC Consoles and the regular, old school TAC Consoles.

Traditionally, the old, generic TAC Consoles have a lower damage bonus than the Spire equivalents, not to mention not having the crit related bonuses from Spire versions.

The bonuses from the Spire TAC, generic consoles while lower than the dedicated ones, is not significantly lower than them. Not like the Non-Spire versions.

When the Spire TAC Consoles came out, for those that followed the game's mechanics, it became quite clear Rainbow Builds could be just as good as dedicated ones.

shadowwraith77

The only major disadvantage of rainbow builds, is weapon proc rate is lower overall.

Outside of that, they are still viable!

bernatk

whistlerdavid wrote: »

i am lvl 53 atm but i can do some major damage with my epic anti proton beams. i was doing a borg rep earlier. and we almost lost the cube was almost in the portal. i seemed to be the only one killing anything. everyone else was lvl 60 i looked around and notice everyone else had different beams instead of just using one kind.it looked like a bunch of rainbows.does it lower your damage out put by using all different beams? thats the only thing i could think of why everyone was doing such low damage

You're good as long as you use directed energy distribution manifold consoles as tactical consoles.

Also start building Iconian rep. It might give out radiant AP beams in rep boxes. Srsly the best choice for any alts.

lordsteve1

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

The only major disadvantage of rainbow builds, is weapon proc rate is lower overall.

Outside of that, they are still viable!

The proc rate is the exact same, its just you've got a higher chance of different procs firing off each time. So 8 beams the same have the same chance as 8 different beams overall , it's all 2.5% chance.
The proc rate per flavour might be lower, but overall it remains unchanged.

Multi-procs can be useful sometimes if you want to try and debuff the hell out of something but still relies on a tiny chance of something happening. So overall the proc type is not really worth worrying about most days.

seaofsorrows

warmaker001b wrote: »

When the Spire TAC Consoles came out, for those that followed the game's mechanics, it became quite clear Rainbow Builds could be just as good as dedicated ones.

It's even more true now. The Consoles provide a Cat 1 boost and there are so many Cat 1 boosts right now that losing a couple percent for non specialized consoles no longer makes any difference since most people have maxed that bonus already anyway.

shadowwraith77

lordsteve1 wrote: »

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

The only major disadvantage of rainbow builds, is weapon proc rate is lower overall.

Outside of that, they are still viable!

The proc rate is the exact same, its just you've got a higher chance of different procs firing off each time. So 8 beams the same have the same chance as 8 different beams overall , it's all 2.5% chance.
The proc rate per flavour might be lower, but overall it remains unchanged.

Multi-procs can be useful sometimes if you want to try and debuff the hell out of something but still relies on a tiny chance of something happening. So overall the proc type is not really worth worrying about most days.

What you said, is kind of counterproductive to saying they are the same!

A 2.5% chance is just that, but multiples of the 2.5% is actually better, so having a higher chance of multiple procs going off is not actually higher, it's still 2.5%.

But, like you said having less chance than all the same flavor, is what my post is speaking about!

So, a multitude of various proc types will have the same 2.5% chance ea., but only that chance now that it is an individual chance, as opposed to multiples of the same proc type.

In other words, if all you have is 1 disruptor amongst the other weapons, the disruptor will only ever have that single 2.5% chance to proc.

If they were all disruptors, than your chances of at least 1 proc is higher, despite each still having only a 2.5% chance!

markhawkman

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

lordsteve1 wrote: »

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

The only major disadvantage of rainbow builds, is weapon proc rate is lower overall.

Outside of that, they are still viable!

The proc rate is the exact same, its just you've got a higher chance of different procs firing off each time. So 8 beams the same have the same chance as 8 different beams overall , it's all 2.5% chance.
The proc rate per flavour might be lower, but overall it remains unchanged.

Multi-procs can be useful sometimes if you want to try and debuff the hell out of something but still relies on a tiny chance of something happening. So overall the proc type is not really worth worrying about most days.

What you said, is kind of counterproductive to saying they are the same!

A 2.5% chance is just that, but multiples of the 2.5% is actually better, so having a higher chance of multiple procs going off is not actually higher, it's still 2.5%.

But, like you said having less chance than all the same flavor, is what my post is speaking about!

So, a multitude of various proc types will have the same 2.5% chance ea., but only that chance now that it is an individual chance, as opposed to multiples of the same proc type.

In other words, if all you have is 1 disruptor amongst the other weapons, the disruptor will only ever have that single 2.5% chance to proc.

If they were all disruptors, than your chances of at least 1 proc is higher, despite each still having only a 2.5% chance!

BUT.... if you're using standard disruptor.... getting a disruptor proc when the enemy is already afflicted with Disruptor Breach.... kinda pointless. But when you have the full rainbow? you can give the enemy ALL the procs... if you're lucky.

shadowwraith77

markhawkman wrote: »

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

lordsteve1 wrote: »

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

The only major disadvantage of rainbow builds, is weapon proc rate is lower overall.

Outside of that, they are still viable!

The proc rate is the exact same, its just you've got a higher chance of different procs firing off each time. So 8 beams the same have the same chance as 8 different beams overall , it's all 2.5% chance.
The proc rate per flavour might be lower, but overall it remains unchanged.

Multi-procs can be useful sometimes if you want to try and debuff the hell out of something but still relies on a tiny chance of something happening. So overall the proc type is not really worth worrying about most days.

What you said, is kind of counterproductive to saying they are the same!

A 2.5% chance is just that, but multiples of the 2.5% is actually better, so having a higher chance of multiple procs going off is not actually higher, it's still 2.5%.

But, like you said having less chance than all the same flavor, is what my post is speaking about!

So, a multitude of various proc types will have the same 2.5% chance ea., but only that chance now that it is an individual chance, as opposed to multiples of the same proc type.

In other words, if all you have is 1 disruptor amongst the other weapons, the disruptor will only ever have that single 2.5% chance to proc.

If they were all disruptors, than your chances of at least 1 proc is higher, despite each still having only a 2.5% chance!

BUT.... if you're using standard disruptor.... getting a disruptor proc when the enemy is already afflicted with Disruptor Breach.... kinda pointless. But when you have the full rainbow? you can give the enemy ALL the procs... if you're lucky.

Lol, you would have to be damn lucky indeed.

Not sure now a days, but disruptor procs used to stack, and some energy weapons still do!

markhawkman

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

markhawkman wrote: »

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

lordsteve1 wrote: »

shadowwraith77 wrote: »

The only major disadvantage of rainbow builds, is weapon proc rate is lower overall.

Outside of that, they are still viable!

The proc rate is the exact same, its just you've got a higher chance of different procs firing off each time. So 8 beams the same have the same chance as 8 different beams overall , it's all 2.5% chance.
The proc rate per flavour might be lower, but overall it remains unchanged.

Multi-procs can be useful sometimes if you want to try and debuff the hell out of something but still relies on a tiny chance of something happening. So overall the proc type is not really worth worrying about most days.

What you said, is kind of counterproductive to saying they are the same!

A 2.5% chance is just that, but multiples of the 2.5% is actually better, so having a higher chance of multiple procs going off is not actually higher, it's still 2.5%.

But, like you said having less chance than all the same flavor, is what my post is speaking about!

So, a multitude of various proc types will have the same 2.5% chance ea., but only that chance now that it is an individual chance, as opposed to multiples of the same proc type.

In other words, if all you have is 1 disruptor amongst the other weapons, the disruptor will only ever have that single 2.5% chance to proc.

If they were all disruptors, than your chances of at least 1 proc is higher, despite each still having only a 2.5% chance!

BUT.... if you're using standard disruptor.... getting a disruptor proc when the enemy is already afflicted with Disruptor Breach.... kinda pointless. But when you have the full rainbow? you can give the enemy ALL the procs... if you're lucky.

Lol, you would have to be damn lucky indeed.

Not sure now a days, but disruptor procs used to stack, and some energy weapons still do!

Disruptor never(or got changed before season 4) did, not until Coalition(Nihydron) Disruptors came out and their special proc is only for Disruptors.

medalionemissary

f*cking rainbows... how do they work

warmaker001b

I have yet to try the much lauded, all-turret "Rainbow Skittles Build."

dracounguis

warmaker001b wrote: »

I have yet to try the much lauded, all-turret "Rainbow Skittles Build."

It's impressive looking when a cruiser fires 8 turrets w/ rapid fire. Not so great DPS-wise since you have that 8x power drain vs only having 3-4 beams firing. Plus last time I tried it (years ago), I could never really get all 8 to fire at same time, 2 would always be off and only fire when a couple others were cycling.

gerwalk0769

dracounguis wrote: »

warmaker001b wrote: »

I have yet to try the much lauded, all-turret "Rainbow Skittles Build."

It's impressive looking when a cruiser fires 8 turrets w/ rapid fire. Not so great DPS-wise since you have that 8x power drain vs only having 3-4 beams firing. Plus last time I tried it (years ago), I could never really get all 8 to fire at same time, 2 would always be off and only fire when a couple others were cycling.

There was a thread or two on that topic recently. Hope it gives you some ideas.