So now all is about beams, dual canons and torperdos?

lamyrs

Am I the only one who likes playing dual beams?
The new Terran Task Force set have exactly the same setup as the Iconian Resistance set : Console, torpedo, beam array and dual canons. Should I understand that dual beams and single canons are forsaken forever?

twg042370

I'm hoping for a tricobalt mine and blue phasers resurgence in 2016.

mewmaster101

well, at least with beams being the FOTM, you can use nearly any ship you want without much problem, instead of kind of being forced to use fast turning ships that can use DHCs.

kyrrok

My cruisers, including the Negh'tev have a dual beam bank. Other people also use builds that have 5 DBBs up front and few omnis in back. DBBs as far as I know it is not shunned.

I have no use for and therefore no build that includes single cannons or turrets, but there are those that do.

mewmaster101 wrote: »

well, at least with beams being the FOTM, you can use nearly any ship you want without much problem, instead of kind of being forced to use fast turning ships that can use DHCs.

As someone who is not overly fond of being pushed into BFAW builds, I also have some respect for your concern. All infomercial joking aside I have no need to see BFAW nerfed. It can even keep the crown of abilities as far as I'm concerned. My problem is not with BFAW being the best, it's with the others, even the 2nd best being so far down that it's a situation where you either have BFAW or a fools build. And you can count me among the group of fools.

tunebreaker

I'm using DBBs with excellent results.

lopequil

They can take my Chroniton DBB when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

tasila

Dual Beams really should get more Rep Love

lianthelia

tasila wrote: »

Cannons really should get some Love

There...fixed.

warpangel

Ah, the metagame. Don't you just love it.

Especially the part where some people want to wield the best of the best, but instead of picking up the gear everyone knows is the best, they pick something entirely different then complain its not as good.

sunfrancks

I use dual beams on my Tac with his Escort.

Really nice with 360 beams in the back, as well!

groomofweird

I have a scimitar with all dbb's fore, im not sad and im not sorry

warmaker001b

lamyrs wrote: »

Am I the only one who likes playing dual beams?
The new Terran Task Force set have exactly the same setup as the Iconian Resistance set : Console, torpedo, beam array and dual canons. Should I understand that dual beams and single canons are forsaken forever?

Been around for Launch Day. Single Cannons have never been en vogue in the game at any point. There's nothing good about them. These weapons are truly disowned.

DHCs had a very long duration of dominance but the gameplay moved onto Beam dominance, namely Single Arrays. Dual Beams are very niche and ideally used for forward heavy arc builds. The very old combination of several DHCs firing CRF or CSV with 1 DBB for Beam Overload still works decently. It is a bit annoying that the special, non-store versions of reputation weapons usually don't have DBBs as a variant.

tempus64

I've been pretty frustrated that most of the reps don't have DBBs. I'm using them on a couple builds and see a lot of people talking about using them. IMO they should be added to the reps.

reiklingraider

I won't let anyone replace my Bio-Molecular Disruptor DBBs with single beam arrays.

gaalom

People tend to look at the detail too much and weapons in this game are no exception. Dual Heavy Cannons to me are the best choice if your ship has a solid turn rate. Cruisers do best in pve with beam arrays and maybe one or two dual beam bank, but relys heaily on broadside usage. This usage is only effective in controled bursts that match up with your weapon power level. All turrets and one or two single cannons on a slow turn moving ship can be deadly in pvp, but lacks the long term damage needed for pve. My point in all this description. Their is no such thing as this rules them all. It depends on the ship and the circumstances.

As for dual heavy cannons vrs dual cannons When dual heavy cannons were in the spotlight, I do recall experts debating the Dual heavy cannons vrs the Dual cannons. At the time the belief was the damage ends up being exactly the same in the long run. For this reason discounting dual cannons would be a mistake in my opinion.

Reputation resctriction by type does make little sense to me. I do believe that the rep should allow people to pick the weapons they want, not talking about type torpedos, and or the type of beams. I am talking about having the choice of turrets, dual cannons, dual heavy cannons, beam arrrays, and dual beam banks. Especially given the amount of resources the rep gear and rep itself chews up. Do take note I am sure thier is a console out thier that I am unaware of that has changed the playing field a tab but I am sure not as much as people are making it out to be.

yakodym

About the only potential use of single cannons I can think of, is putting them on a cruiser with beam arrays in the back, and doing a cannon/beam mixed broadside. Less shared arc, but more dmg potential, but you'd be still kicking yourself in the butt for not being able to use bfaw/crf/csv effectively, with each of them only boosting half of your weapons. Now if single cannons could be mounted in the back and if they had 270° arc... Then again, maybe it's basically what you get if you fly single cannons in the front and turrets in the back, except that the firepower isn't concentrated on the sides, but in the front 180°... Too bad that the increased time-on-target doesn't have nearly as big effect as simply being able to dish out much more damage in a narrower arc...

As it is, the only single cannons I might be actually tempted to use are the elachi chrescent heavy cannon and the apex predator set sniper cannon ;-)

jkwrangler2010

DBB + Beam Overload III + Directed Modulation III + Weapon Efficiency cruiser trait + Tactical Team I + Attack Pattern Beta I = fun

chastity1337

kyrrok wrote: »

My cruisers, including the Negh'tev have a dual beam bank. Other people also use builds that have 5 DBBs up front and few omnis in back. DBBs as far as I know it is not shunned.

I have no use for and therefore no build that includes single cannons or turrets, but there are those that do.

mewmaster101 wrote: »

well, at least with beams being the FOTM, you can use nearly any ship you want without much problem, instead of kind of being forced to use fast turning ships that can use DHCs.

As someone who is not overly fond of being pushed into BFAW builds, I also have some respect for your concern. All infomercial joking aside I have no need to see BFAW nerfed. It can even keep the crown of abilities as far as I'm concerned. My problem is not with BFAW being the best, it's with the others, even the 2nd best being so far down that it's a situation where you either have BFAW or a fools build. And you can count me among the group of fools.

Well, not saying you are mistaken, but for Sci officers in a good Sci ship, there's the option of just not relying upon weapons as your primary source of DPS

paxdawn

kyrrok wrote: »

As someone who is not overly fond of being pushed into BFAW builds, I also have some respect for your concern. All infomercial joking aside I have no need to see BFAW nerfed. It can even keep the crown of abilities as far as I'm concerned. My problem is not with BFAW being the best, it's with the others, even the 2nd best being so far down that it's a situation where you either have BFAW or a fools build. And you can count me among the group of fools.

It is more like pilots and forum experts who have little information about maximum potential about weapons platforms create a stigma on beams.

All of these weapons platforms have their respective strength and weaknesses. You all just got to know it. The main difference between beams and other weapons platforms is not its DPS power but its ease of use.

You can even search right now in different map tables that beams do not dominate all those tables. If look at all the space map DPS tables, beams only got #1 as far as facts are concerned. That is ISA.

If you transfer your DPS table to another space map, you wont see beams nor beam users at #1 spot.

But hey, even if you nerfed BFAW, whinny, misinformed players will still keep whining at the forums about Beams just like now wherein Beams dont dominate at the #1 spot?

kyrrok

paxdawn wrote: »

kyrrok wrote: »

As someone who is not overly fond of being pushed into BFAW builds, I also have some respect for your concern. All infomercial joking aside I have no need to see BFAW nerfed. It can even keep the crown of abilities as far as I'm concerned. My problem is not with BFAW being the best, it's with the others, even the 2nd best being so far down that it's a situation where you either have BFAW or a fools build. And you can count me among the group of fools.

It is more like pilots and forum experts who have little information about maximum potential about weapons platforms create a stigma on beams.

All of these weapons platforms have their respective strength and weaknesses. You all just got to know it. The main difference between beams and other weapons platforms is not its DPS power but its ease of use.

You can even search right now in different map tables that beams do not dominate all those tables. If look at all the space map DPS tables, beams only got #1 as far as facts are concerned. That is ISA.

If you transfer your DPS table to another space map, you wont see beams nor beam users at #1 spot.

But hey, even if you nerfed BFAW, whinny, misinformed players will still keep whining at the forums about Beams just like now wherein Beams dont dominate at the #1 spot?

I don't endorese nerfing BFAW. I could point out what I do want.

Instead I'll just note that you have the most disgusting habit of disrespecting and flaming people for posting anything you don't like.