Kinda gives me a feel of more of a dreadnought carrier than a dreadnought cruiser. Nice we get basically a console that works as a lance weapon, and can be used on all the Breen ships.
How is it lance like? There isn't much it has in common with a lance other than it does damage...
For right now we are not sure of what kind of range, or firing arc the console's discharge will have, but yet there is not a huge degree of things that classify something as a lance weapon or not. For right now it seems it is normally a weapon that is largely possessing a narrow firing arc, and a short (2 seconds is quite short) charge up prior to firing the main lance weapon. Now no it is not listed as a lance-weapon yet it does need to draw power (2 seconds after starting the drain it fires the sustained electrical discharge beam on your main/selected target), while also even has it's damage buffed based on the charge-counters generated on those ship's within 5 km of you being drained (kinda important that the lance weapons need a high degree of energy, which needing to drain power for 2 seconds can imply such), also being it is released on a Dreadnought that normally use such weapons it can be precised too have been a Breen-developed weapon using lance technology. I could see the Breen develop a more drain-based/boosted lance-like weapon system, as their tech is more inclined in that style, since why would they use their own ship's power to fire such a high damage weapon when their technology is about draining energy from other ships, and so would be a natural evolution for their own lance=like weapon system to take on.
Every Lance in STO is based off a weapon type, this console does electrical damage.
Every Lance in STO fires a quick burst or two, this console is sustained damage
Every Lance in STO has a core damage, this one drains power from targets near by and the damage can be affected drastically depending on how many enemies near by.
There is little that makes this thing a *lance*...plus if it's electrical damage it may even be affected by particle generators. If anything it's more comparable to the Quantum Field Focus Phaser or the Singularity beam...and even those are affected by a weapon type.
AN i never said it was a lance, i said it is like a lance weapon, and could have been developed off lance technology. The weapon type of the Breen is polaron, which i would wager is going to be used by the Dominion for their own lance-weapon. So giving them something that feels like a lance weapon that fits their style of draining, while keeping the polaron lance for the Dominon dreadnought is about what i would expect. An like i said never said it was lance but it works in ways like one, being a high damage single target weapon, though the fact it is sustained over burst damage is why it feels or works like a lance yet is not classified as one, while being based around draining an exotic damage is nice.
But how could it be like something when it isn't like something...how could it be like a lance when it doesn't follow a single characteristic of lances?
Who is to say this ship wont have a Polaron lance? This ship is a Dreadnought Cruiser like every other ship with a integrated lance...while the Dominion Dreadnought is a carrier. I'd put my money on this one having a lance before them making a T6 JHDNC with a lance.
Because it shares some of the characteristics of a lance weapon, such as that it has a 2 second delay on firing, is a single target high damage attack used on a dreadnought (even if it is a sustained damage, many of the lances are merely high-damage output variant of a beam-array). With damage type it is true it not core damage, but honestly the Breen are more based on either the trasphasic or energy/shield draining than polaron damage. As said it is a weapon i could see being adapted an developed by the Breen from lance-type weapons, as it would be more benefiting their style of combat, but would have been better as a single burst damage version with a longer charge-up from draining ships prior to discharge. I am not saying it is a lance but that it has a feel, or is like them in that it is a large-scale high damage attack, that could have been developed from the lance tech of other races to fit their technology.
That is true that they have a dreadnought carrier, but who says they would have just one dreadnought, they might get a second on in the battleship remodel that was seen in the midnight episode. Though there is also the dominion battleship that was updated in looks during the Midnight episode, which might gain the polaron lance weapon in the place of a dreadnought, also the Kara is not a Dreadnought an not even listed as such yet has a lance weapon so not all lances are on dreadnoughts actually.
Kinda gives me a feel of more of a dreadnought carrier than a dreadnought cruiser. Nice we get basically a console that works as a lance weapon, and can be used on all the Breen ships.
How is it lance like? There isn't much it has in common with a lance other than it does damage...
For right now we are not sure of what kind of range, or firing arc the console's discharge will have, but yet there is not a huge degree of things that classify something as a lance weapon or not. For right now it seems it is normally a weapon that is largely possessing a narrow firing arc, and a short (2 seconds is quite short) charge up prior to firing the main lance weapon. Now no it is not listed as a lance-weapon yet it does need to draw power (2 seconds after starting the drain it fires the sustained electrical discharge beam on your main/selected target), while also even has it's damage buffed based on the charge-counters generated on those ship's within 5 km of you being drained (kinda important that the lance weapons need a high degree of energy, which needing to drain power for 2 seconds can imply such), also being it is released on a Dreadnought that normally use such weapons it can be precised too have been a Breen-developed weapon using lance technology. I could see the Breen develop a more drain-based/boosted lance-like weapon system, as their tech is more inclined in that style, since why would they use their own ship's power to fire such a high damage weapon when their technology is about draining energy from other ships, and so would be a natural evolution for their own lance=like weapon system to take on.
Every Lance in STO is based off a weapon type, this console does electrical damage.
Every Lance in STO fires a quick burst or two, this console is sustained damage
Every Lance in STO has a core damage, this one drains power from targets near by and the damage can be affected drastically depending on how many enemies near by.
There is little that makes this thing a *lance*...plus if it's electrical damage it may even be affected by particle generators. If anything it's more comparable to the Quantum Field Focus Phaser or the Singularity beam...and even those are affected by a weapon type.
AN i never said it was a lance, i said it is like a lance weapon, and could have been developed off lance technology. The weapon type of the Breen is polaron, which i would wager is going to be used by the Dominion for their own lance-weapon. So giving them something that feels like a lance weapon that fits their style of draining, while keeping the polaron lance for the Dominon dreadnought is about what i would expect. An like i said never said it was lance but it works in ways like one, being a high damage single target weapon, though the fact it is sustained over burst damage is why it feels or works like a lance yet is not classified as one, while being based around draining an exotic damage is nice.
But how could it be like something when it isn't like something...how could it be like a lance when it doesn't follow a single characteristic of lances?
Who is to say this ship wont have a Polaron lance? This ship is a Dreadnought Cruiser like every other ship with a integrated lance...while the Dominion Dreadnought is a carrier. I'd put my money on this one having a lance before them making a T6 JHDNC with a lance.
Because it shares some of the characteristics of a lance weapon, such as that it has a 2 second delay on firing, is a single target high damage attack used on a dreadnought (even if it is a sustained damage, many of the lances are merely high-damage output variant of a beam-array). With damage type it is true it not core damage, but honestly the Breen are more based on either the trasphasic or energy/shield draining than polaron damage. As said it is a weapon i could see being adapted an developed by the Breen from lance-type weapons, as it would be more benefiting their style of combat, but would have been better as a single burst damage version with a longer charge-up from draining ships prior to discharge. I am not saying it is a lance but that it has a feel, or is like them in that it is a large-scale high damage attack, that could have been developed from the lance tech of other races to fit their technology.
That is true that they have a dreadnought carrier, but who says they would have just one dreadnought, they might get a second on in the battleship remodel that was seen in the midnight episode. Though there is also the dominion battleship that was updated in looks during the Midnight episode, which might gain the polaron lance weapon in the place of a dreadnought, also the Kara is not a Dreadnought an not even listed as such yet has a lance weapon so not all lances are on dreadnoughts actually.
Except the console just comes on the Dreadnought...it is usable on any Breen ship...even the Raider. This thing charges up and steals energy to power it...which is completely different from a massive weapon built into the structure of a ship which uses it's own power.
Except the Kara has all of the characteristics of a Dreadnought Cruiser minus the Cruiser Commands which aren't on any Warbird...it has a Commander Engineer, it is slow and large, and it has a hangar just like Dreadnoughts.
I don't know what remodel you're talking about...they didn't look any different at all to me and I haven't seen any mention a remodel...plus you're making a big assumption that suddenly they're gonna design a new Dreadnought for them that is radically different than the one we already have. The T6 Bug ship is pretty much the same in functionality as the T5 one. I'm going by the info I have and you're just making stuff up to fit your argument.
They share one loose characteristic...come on...you're really reaching.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
After thinking about it really would be better to say it this way. The console feels more like a different evolutionary line for how the lance-weapon technology could be developed, with it using a different method of generating the massive power needed to enable an fire the weapon, as well as using a different method of discharge for the weapon's built up surplus power from other sources that might burn out the weapon system of a single ship if used in a single burst. Now that would be interesting having it that in the set it would enable a single target version burst version, so consolidating the entire 8 second channel sustain damage into a single extreme high damage burst shot, but that it would overload the system relays making it take longer to re-charge/cool-down.
Kinda gives me a feel of more of a dreadnought carrier than a dreadnought cruiser. Nice we get basically a console that works as a lance weapon, and can be used on all the Breen ships.
How is it lance like? There isn't much it has in common with a lance other than it does damage...
For right now we are not sure of what kind of range, or firing arc the console's discharge will have, but yet there is not a huge degree of things that classify something as a lance weapon or not. For right now it seems it is normally a weapon that is largely possessing a narrow firing arc, and a short (2 seconds is quite short) charge up prior to firing the main lance weapon. Now no it is not listed as a lance-weapon yet it does need to draw power (2 seconds after starting the drain it fires the sustained electrical discharge beam on your main/selected target), while also even has it's damage buffed based on the charge-counters generated on those ship's within 5 km of you being drained (kinda important that the lance weapons need a high degree of energy, which needing to drain power for 2 seconds can imply such), also being it is released on a Dreadnought that normally use such weapons it can be precised too have been a Breen-developed weapon using lance technology. I could see the Breen develop a more drain-based/boosted lance-like weapon system, as their tech is more inclined in that style, since why would they use their own ship's power to fire such a high damage weapon when their technology is about draining energy from other ships, and so would be a natural evolution for their own lance=like weapon system to take on.
Every Lance in STO is based off a weapon type, this console does electrical damage.
Every Lance in STO fires a quick burst or two, this console is sustained damage
Every Lance in STO has a core damage, this one drains power from targets near by and the damage can be affected drastically depending on how many enemies near by.
There is little that makes this thing a *lance*...plus if it's electrical damage it may even be affected by particle generators. If anything it's more comparable to the Quantum Field Focus Phaser or the Singularity beam...and even those are affected by a weapon type.
AN i never said it was a lance, i said it is like a lance weapon, and could have been developed off lance technology. The weapon type of the Breen is polaron, which i would wager is going to be used by the Dominion for their own lance-weapon. So giving them something that feels like a lance weapon that fits their style of draining, while keeping the polaron lance for the Dominon dreadnought is about what i would expect. An like i said never said it was lance but it works in ways like one, being a high damage single target weapon, though the fact it is sustained over burst damage is why it feels or works like a lance yet is not classified as one, while being based around draining an exotic damage is nice.
But how could it be like something when it isn't like something...how could it be like a lance when it doesn't follow a single characteristic of lances?
Who is to say this ship wont have a Polaron lance? This ship is a Dreadnought Cruiser like every other ship with a integrated lance...while the Dominion Dreadnought is a carrier. I'd put my money on this one having a lance before them making a T6 JHDNC with a lance.
Because it shares some of the characteristics of a lance weapon, such as that it has a 2 second delay on firing, is a single target high damage attack used on a dreadnought (even if it is a sustained damage, many of the lances are merely high-damage output variant of a beam-array). With damage type it is true it not core damage, but honestly the Breen are more based on either the trasphasic or energy/shield draining than polaron damage. As said it is a weapon i could see being adapted an developed by the Breen from lance-type weapons, as it would be more benefiting their style of combat, but would have been better as a single burst damage version with a longer charge-up from draining ships prior to discharge. I am not saying it is a lance but that it has a feel, or is like them in that it is a large-scale high damage attack, that could have been developed from the lance tech of other races to fit their technology.
That is true that they have a dreadnought carrier, but who says they would have just one dreadnought, they might get a second on in the battleship remodel that was seen in the midnight episode. Though there is also the dominion battleship that was updated in looks during the Midnight episode, which might gain the polaron lance weapon in the place of a dreadnought, also the Kara is not a Dreadnought an not even listed as such yet has a lance weapon so not all lances are on dreadnoughts actually.
Except the console just comes on the Dreadnought...it is usable on any Breen ship...even the Raider. This thing charges up and steals energy to power it...which is completely different from a massive weapon built into the structure of a ship which uses it's own power.
Except the Kara has all of the characteristics of a Dreadnought Cruiser minus the Cruiser Commands which aren't on any Warbird...it has a Commander Engineer, it is slow and large, and it has a hangar just like Dreadnoughts.
I don't know what remodel you're talking about...they didn't look any different at all to me and I haven't seen any mention a remodel...plus you're making a big assumption that suddenly they're gonna design a new Dreadnought for them that is radically different than the one we already have. The T6 Bug ship is pretty much the same in functionality as the T5 one. I'm going by the info I have and you're just making stuff up to fit your argument.
They share one loose characteristic...come on...you're really reaching.
Which is all they need to share in the end to be from a similar basis, but the end result is quite different because of being developed by a different race using different tactics. This is the entire fact it is not that it is a lace weapon, which i never said, but that i can see it fells ike it could be a variant of the lance-tech that the Breen would develop to use thier own preferred tatics.
The breen having a polaron lance makes sense as much as the dominion as they both use polaron weapony, but the breen set is more based around transphasic technology/weapons than polaron itself, but both do benefit from the set's boosts to shield/energy drain. I would almost say giving them a built in massive-yield transphasic torpedo launcher that would launch a transphasic torpedo on a long recharge, would fit with their style an even their set bonus better.
Now with the kara as you said it is close and even developed as a dreadnought but it is using the romulan style of fighting, and dropping the cruiser commands, same thing it is made to fit the style an line of thinking of the romulans. In the same way the console could just as easy to see it being developed using a similar basis of lance tech yet taking it in another direction that is more the style an methods of the breen. Sharing the same characteristics is not the same as being the same, it is their version of the dreadnought with their own twist on it.
Yet now there is little reason to argue over it, as in the end we both see it differently, and entitled to how we view it. SO i will agree to disagree on the matter.
It's menacing for sure, but it'd take more than that to freak me out.
Now if it was infected by the Beast, capable of firing Infection Beams that mutate my crew and force me to channel plasma into the infected areas to avoid losing the entire ship, yes, I would legitimately lose it.
Moreso if this Beast has already infected Undine and Borg ships and improved itself using elements of both. It'd be a Lovecraftian horror.
The Lance might be a 4-set console bonus. We've only got the general idea of what its particular console and mastery trait does.
Its not, tribble been updated and 4set power is not it (its 50% Breen consoles cooldown time reduction)
It was a guess. But reduced CD on 4-pc console set is good. Very good. Only reason I still use the 4-pc for the Xindi ships, as it allows me to spam the specials more often.
4 consoles now. i wonder if they will make 5 console set next year or will it be bew set on maybe not even breen ship. or i would like to see t6 existing breen ships with extra skin. that would be amazing.
anyone know if there is any set that makes ship red? want to use it on this ship to look more like big bad space lobster.
4 consoles now. i wonder if they will make 5 console set next year or will it be bew set on maybe not even breen ship. or i would like to see t6 existing breen ships with extra skin. that would be amazing.
anyone know if there is any set that makes ship red? want to use it on this ship to look more like big bad space lobster.
nope it'll a different kind of ship, we're out breen starships. and they didn't do t6 version with summer ships.
nope... so cryptic think you could make a set with red hull texture that make ship 3 time faster?
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Because it shares some of the characteristics of a lance weapon, such as that it has a 2 second delay on firing, is a single target high damage attack used on a dreadnought (even if it is a sustained damage, many of the lances are merely high-damage output variant of a beam-array). With damage type it is true it not core damage, but honestly the Breen are more based on either the trasphasic or energy/shield draining than polaron damage. As said it is a weapon i could see being adapted an developed by the Breen from lance-type weapons, as it would be more benefiting their style of combat, but would have been better as a single burst damage version with a longer charge-up from draining ships prior to discharge. I am not saying it is a lance but that it has a feel, or is like them in that it is a large-scale high damage attack, that could have been developed from the lance tech of other races to fit their technology.
That is true that they have a dreadnought carrier, but who says they would have just one dreadnought, they might get a second on in the battleship remodel that was seen in the midnight episode. Though there is also the dominion battleship that was updated in looks during the Midnight episode, which might gain the polaron lance weapon in the place of a dreadnought, also the Kara is not a Dreadnought an not even listed as such yet has a lance weapon so not all lances are on dreadnoughts actually.
Except the console just comes on the Dreadnought...it is usable on any Breen ship...even the Raider. This thing charges up and steals energy to power it...which is completely different from a massive weapon built into the structure of a ship which uses it's own power.
Except the Kara has all of the characteristics of a Dreadnought Cruiser minus the Cruiser Commands which aren't on any Warbird...it has a Commander Engineer, it is slow and large, and it has a hangar just like Dreadnoughts.
I don't know what remodel you're talking about...they didn't look any different at all to me and I haven't seen any mention a remodel...plus you're making a big assumption that suddenly they're gonna design a new Dreadnought for them that is radically different than the one we already have. The T6 Bug ship is pretty much the same in functionality as the T5 one. I'm going by the info I have and you're just making stuff up to fit your argument.
They share one loose characteristic...come on...you're really reaching.
Which is all they need to share in the end to be from a similar basis, but the end result is quite different because of being developed by a different race using different tactics. This is the entire fact it is not that it is a lace weapon, which i never said, but that i can see it fells ike it could be a variant of the lance-tech that the Breen would develop to use thier own preferred tatics.
The breen having a polaron lance makes sense as much as the dominion as they both use polaron weapony, but the breen set is more based around transphasic technology/weapons than polaron itself, but both do benefit from the set's boosts to shield/energy drain. I would almost say giving them a built in massive-yield transphasic torpedo launcher that would launch a transphasic torpedo on a long recharge, would fit with their style an even their set bonus better.
Now with the kara as you said it is close and even developed as a dreadnought but it is using the romulan style of fighting, and dropping the cruiser commands, same thing it is made to fit the style an line of thinking of the romulans. In the same way the console could just as easy to see it being developed using a similar basis of lance tech yet taking it in another direction that is more the style an methods of the breen. Sharing the same characteristics is not the same as being the same, it is their version of the dreadnought with their own twist on it.
Yet now there is little reason to argue over it, as in the end we both see it differently, and entitled to how we view it. SO i will agree to disagree on the matter.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Now if it was infected by the Beast, capable of firing Infection Beams that mutate my crew and force me to channel plasma into the infected areas to avoid losing the entire ship, yes, I would legitimately lose it.
Moreso if this Beast has already infected Undine and Borg ships and improved itself using elements of both. It'd be a Lovecraftian horror.
100% agree, why can't we have the old model as well? it's already there, they can make it a ship costume with minimal effort and it's way better.
It was a guess. But reduced CD on 4-pc console set is good. Very good. Only reason I still use the 4-pc for the Xindi ships, as it allows me to spam the specials more often.
anyone know if there is any set that makes ship red? want to use it on this ship to look more like big bad space lobster.
Not bad at all
nope it'll a different kind of ship, we're out breen starships. and they didn't do t6 version with summer ships.
nope... so cryptic think you could make a set with red hull texture that make ship 3 time faster?
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.