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I now understand my reluctance towards the Kor!

miirikmiirik Member Posts: 483 Arc User
in Klingon Discussion
It's because the Baltim raider is exactly what the Kor should have been!
"But it has a locked in commander tactical"
Thats what 90%+ of the players were going to use it for anyways!

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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    The Baltim is a raider that has been slightly changed in many ways to work well in the current high DPS environment. BoPs have always been meant as swift and precise 'assasins'. And they're still perfect for that. However most of the time in the game, you're far better off with high sustained DPS and for that, BoPs simply aren't built. That's why the Kor is often perceived as lacking, it doesn't fit in the current overarching theme.
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    Ha, newer KDF do not see the value and reason for the Bird of Prey's existence. Oh how the faction has fallen.
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  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,109 Arc User
    miirik wrote: »
    It's because the Baltim raider is exactly what the Kor should have been!
    "But it has a locked in commander tactical"
    Thats what 90%+ of the players were going to use it for anyways!

    I guess I'm in that 10% that would have used the Kor as a Sci-centric platform and mothballed the B'rel...would have.
    NO to ARC
    RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
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  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    Still a few of us about from the 'Grand Old Days' just look at the other Kor threads in this section, plenty of us recognise its value and are trying different things.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    miirik wrote: »
    It's because the Baltim raider is exactly what the Kor should have been!
    "But it has a locked in commander tactical"
    Thats what 90%+ of the players were going to use it for anyways!
    It also has no Battle Cloak. And certainly no Enhanced Battle Cloak!
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    Ha, newer KDF do not see the value and reason for the Bird of Prey's existence. Oh how the faction has fallen.
    Indeed.
    Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    Ha, newer KDF do not see the value and reason for the Bird of Prey's existence. Oh how the faction has fallen.

    Another indeed from me.
    TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class.
    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

    Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
  • captainpugwash1captainpugwash1 Member Posts: 908 Arc User
    toiva wrote: »
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    Ha, newer KDF do not see the value and reason for the Bird of Prey's existence. Oh how the faction has fallen.

    Another indeed from me.

    And me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    I'm no old timer here, but I can appreciate a bird of prey's role, as I started this game with birds of prey and I do enjoy flying them. I did have some unreasonable expectations, but even now, I'm considering getting it. Call me a flip-flopper or just someone that's come to my senses. I won't be getting it soon as I spent the zen elsewhere, on ships that also seemed and in fact had proven worth getting.
  • chemistrysetchemistryset Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Pfffttt.

    Be happy with your Baltim Raider, OP. I´ll get the Kor as soon as possible.
    The fact that jellyfish have survived for 650 million years despite not having brains is great news for stupid people.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    we have so few ships that are capable of commander science that i usually use it for jsut that . makes cannons a whole more viable when you pump out gravwell 3 and 1 almost constantly with cannon scatter volly blowing them all to bits.

    crank up weapon power and aux throw in a leech console and you pretty much good to go.

    Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. Ch'ar%20POST%20LoR.JPG


  • miirikmiirik Member Posts: 483 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    Oh wait...I thought the name was familiar. You are the one who thought that broadsiding was not viable in another thread. Umm yeah...with your rather LIMITED understanding of the game...as clearly shown in that thread, you honestly think you have a good enough grasp of the mechanics to declare that you understand something to be useless? Umm...yeah....

    This attitude really gets me annoyed. I can't make it work so it MUST be the game. Nevermind that the a slew of other people can make it work just fine...but I can't do it so it's the game and not me. What a load of crock.

    I been playing since spring 2013, I would like to think I understand the basics. I guess you gotta look at the kor as the ultimate flexibility ship.



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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    having both, and being a long term BOP pilot, I think I can say that the lobi ship is far, far superior for raw damage output, even without a cloak. The kor is OK. The balt is uber.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    noroblad wrote: »
    having both, and being a long term BOP pilot, I think I can say that the lobi ship is far, far superior for raw damage output, even without a cloak. The kor is OK. The balt is uber.

    for me i still refuse to fly those alien ships so its not better in any way at for me. now im not bashing the thing i just wouldn't let my Klingons be caught dead in some alien ship.

    but really though a person does not need the BoP we wanted a T6 Klingon BoP. As it is any endgame content can be beaten easily right now with our old ships. so no we dont need this but we wanted it . for those who dont mind flying around in the alien or non species ships you got something already. for us that want faction ships we finally got one.
    Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. Ch'ar%20POST%20LoR.JPG


  • trillbuffettrillbuffet Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    Roughly the b'rel has always been designed(amusing as this sounds) was for science. What happens with this Kor class is that if you take like say that quantum torp from that mission where its upside is shield drain get your sci stats up high throw another tachyon beam 3 on it, throw on doff that has a chance of stripping a facing off with tachyon beam, tachyon beam ship mastery trait, that raptor micro torp trait, and lots of traits that benefit torpedoes then load up on confusion thru piloting and some sustain. You got a nasty kor class on your hands. The downside to it all is if say you are in pve or (pvp drops pin into black hole and hears nothing because its a black hole and no ones home).

    *Attempts to summon Geko* your armor idea from a year or so back has a possible function. So we've gone over half a decade of the enhanced battle cloak is going to be forever a counter to itself without needing any type of tactics either from npc or human. So maybe its time to start pushing out bop armor to put on it that can help with that and other things. With having more than enough raptors now I think Geko should come out with his armor idea maybe flesh out some of these old fed ships no one ever uses maybe and bops and something romulan because they love getting stuff too. Theee hint with fed side is an ablative armor that doesn't last for 10 seconds and then wait 3+ minutes to use it again for 10 seconds :) I would call this Operation: Canon (breaking the barrier of gimmicks and giving these players some iconic canon to grind with). I mean Geko you know your idea can be cash grabbed out the wazoo you could even put out more defiants and bops(we know you love to make bops) anyways just throwing this out there so maybe we get more of what we want. Only gripe besides the obvious with the b'rel though is with science setup(s) the whole slow as molasses recharging isn't big of a deal but when you are looking at engineers and tactical lol. Its like I failed basic science and I will watch with eye at the torpedoes recharge and the other eye is firmly staring at a blade of grass(what will happen?!?!? will the grass grow before the torpedo recharges?!?! Find out in our next episode titled insert coin to continue).
  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,934 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    Ha, newer KDF do not see the value and reason for the Bird of Prey's existence. Oh how the faction has fallen.

    Sooooo this.

    the B'rel and Kor are perfect submarines, designed to mete out spike damage, not sit toe to toe and duke it out with a balltecruiser
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  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    icsairguns wrote: »
    noroblad wrote: »
    having both, and being a long term BOP pilot, I think I can say that the lobi ship is far, far superior for raw damage output, even without a cloak. The kor is OK. The balt is uber.

    for me i still refuse to fly those alien ships so its not better in any way at for me. now im not bashing the thing i just wouldn't let my Klingons be caught dead in some alien ship.

    but really though a person does not need the BoP we wanted a T6 Klingon BoP. As it is any endgame content can be beaten easily right now with our old ships. so no we dont need this but we wanted it . for those who dont mind flying around in the alien or non species ships you got something already. for us that want faction ships we finally got one.

    Yep. And dps isnt everything... *because* dps and power creep are off the charts, in a way it can be a good thing, because with that folks can role-play and succeed in just about anything from t4 up (and lower if really good at it or in select ships). Its great to have the thing, but it really should have had one more from a long list of stuff (pick any one of these and possibly others) {5th weapon, 1 more console, pilot movement, intel ltcmdr, others}. As I already said, its a fine ship. The ship isnt the problem. The problem is making a cross faction raider that has {intel seats, 5th forward, 5 tac consoles} in a game where dps is the end-all be-all for a very large % of the player base. A few of us will fly it anyway -- either because the lobi ship is out of reach, or because we love the BOP, or whatever. All that is great. I bought one, after all, knowing what it was, so I am right there with you on playing the BOP. None of that changes its fifth place position behind (faeht/phantom/lobi raider/pilot ships) as a dps themed strike ship. Again, I love it, but knowing what I know, its still a t5u ship in terms of quality and output -- all it really has over my old raiders or even the kazon is that console 'weapon'. And another one.. icing on the cake.. the lobi raider gets a 25% torp proccing the herald damage bonus... trying to see if that is worth the weak white weapon vs another beam, but its an interesting item.



  • miirikmiirik Member Posts: 483 Arc User
    well despite all my reluctance I still bought the Kor.

    Why?

    because i'd rather have a T6 BoP now than wait a year or more for a 2nd one to come down the line.
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