Myth of the Sundering: BUSTED

gawainviii

To the Council of Planetary Archaeology,
Nova Roma, Rator III:

For years, we have been taught that Romulans are descended from a warlike faction of Vulcans who refused to accept Surak's teachings of logic. The Federation Ambassador Spock corrupted young minds of loyal Romulan citizens like D'Tan, creating the Reunification movement that led these youths to betray the Empire and create their own so-called Romulan Republic, full of traitors and terrorists. I tell you today, that the history of the Romulan people, taught by Spock to D'Tan and his followers is a myth! A fiction invented by Spock in a vain attempt to solidify his place in history as the aging Vulcan ambassador was ending his career with no legacy of his own, forever standing in the shadows of history behind the ego of James Kirk.

But I shall not spread propaganda, as Spock has done. I shall disseminate facts and logic to prove my case:
+ We know of the Preserver race that seeded humanoid DNA throughout the galaxy, including Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, and Cardassians, among others.
+ The human biologist A.E. Hodgkin postulated the idea that similar organisms, given similar conditions, will evolve in parallel to one another, without any contact whatsoever.
+ The indigenous people of Mintaka III are biologically similar to both Vulcans and Romulans, but evolved independently of both--lending further credence to Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development.
+ In Vulcan lore, the Time of the Awakening, when Surak was alive teaching his philosophy of logic to save the Vulcan people from nuclear annihilation occurred 2,000 years ago (circa Earth's 4th century)
+ According to Vulcan lore, the Sundering happened during the Time of the Awakening, when a dissident faction of Vulcans refused to accept Surak's teachings and left Vulcan, taking with them the mythical Sword of the Raptor Star, supposedly crafted by Vulcan master weaponsmith S'harien
+ The Vulcan colonists who "marched beneath the Raptor's Wings", fought a great battle on Dimorus II--the victors of which became the founders of the Romulan Star Empire. The Sword was lost during that battle.
+ D'Tan's Republic, in the process of surveying Dewa III, which they now call Mol'Rihan, supposedly found the mythical sword. Quantum dating confirms the age of the sword to correspond to the time of the Sundering--and D'Tan's "experts" subjectively claim that the swords masterwork craftsmanship could only be attributed to S'harien (because there are no other master swordsmiths in the entire history of the galaxy who could have equaled his quality).
+ 1,500 years AFTER the Sundering, when these proto-Romulans supposedly left Vulcan, the Vulcans finally develop warp-capable space-flight. (Source: ENT: The Forge)
+ 300 years after Vulcans first develop warp technology, they make first contact with humans, only 16 light-years away. (Source: ENT: The Forge)
+ 1,800 years BEFORE Vulcans met Humans, they colonized Romulus--THREE SECTORS AWAY?!?
+ Not to mention that the Sword of the Raptor Star was lost on Dimorus II, but found on Dewa III, four sectors away...

So, Spock's myth expects us to believe that Vulcan's left Vulcan--travelled 3 sectors, fought a battle, colonized a world 4 sectors away from the battle (in the wrong direction) then left that colony to travel BACK the way they came to finally settle on Romulus--and all this happened within the same Century, and all without Warp travel?

Romulans are not Vulcan's unwanted cousin. We are our own! We do not march Beneath the Raptor's Wings--WE ARE THE RAPTOR!

The Romulan Republic is founded on a lie, perpetuated by a Federation emissary, taught to a child, and accepted by a generation of Romulans who are grasping for something familiar after the loss of our homeworld. All of this elaborate plot, just to break the will of the Romulan people and to hack away at the Empire's power so that the Federation can ASSIMILATE more of the galaxy... all the while looking like some unwitting hero who just happens to show up to help fix things after the disaster they created.

I am NOT a Vulcan; I am ROMULAN!

Respectfully Submitted,
--Gaius i-Yulius tr'Kesar

mustrumridcully0

Weird, as far as I know, at the time of the Romulan War, most people in what would later become the Federation didn't even know the Romulans were a Vulcan off-shoot. It seems pretty much as if this is a story that only the Vulcans and the Romulans have and share and didn't like to advertise.

tolmarius

The Vulcans who left used generation ships to find Romulus. The Sundering is a thing, and has been for a LONG time. This post is pointless.

kodachikuno

good delusional head canon for you... ignores a lot, skews other things... but if it works for you... enjoy it

gawainviii

tolmarius wrote: »

The Vulcans who left used generation ships to find Romulus.

Do you have a canon source for that? In ENT: The Forge, Syrran/Arev doesn't even say anything about "those who marched beneath the raptor's wing" ever leaving--only that Surak died after the final battle with them. Surak's death scene from ENT: Awakening corroborates that, showing nuclear explosions in the distance as Surak, suffering from radiation poisoning, talks to Archer about the Kir'Shara. No evidence of an exodus is ever seen on-screen.

tolmarius wrote: »

The Sundering is a thing, and has been for a LONG time.

Yes, I agree completely: Just like a geocentric cosmology was a thing for a long time... until it was discovered that it wasn't; Pluto was a planet for a long time... and then it wasn't.

tolmarius wrote: »

This post is pointless.

If by 'pointless', you mean that it highlights out an alternate point-of-view that has the possibility of being canonically true, using just as much canon-lore and supposition as the opposing viewpoint, then yes, it is pointless.

kodachikuno wrote: »

good delusional head canon for you...

Thanks... I think.

kodachikuno wrote: »

ignores a lot, skews other things...

Such as? To the best of my knowledge, only 7 episodes make reference to what is now called The Sundering: ENT's Syrranite story arc (The Forge, Awakening, & Kir'Shara), TNG Unification I & II, and TNG The Gambit I & II. In each case, the references are indirect, at best, when not circumspect with a lot of presumptions. In the case of Unification, the best reference we have supporting the Republic's version of Romulan history is from Unification--and that comes from Spock's personal teachings to the Romulan Underground, extrapolated from the hypothesis he originally postulated in TOS: Balance of Terror.

kodachikuno wrote: »

enjoy it

I think I will. ;-)

tolmarius

See, the Sundering is canon as far as this game we all play is concerned. Screaming about it being non-canonical is what is pointless. Both path to 2409, and Legacy of Romulus make direct references to both the source material that describes the Sundering, and to what happened, such as generation ships transporting colonists long distances. See this as an example. So, unless you are talking about some private headcanon, this is irrelevant in relation to the wider community, except as an example of propaganda.

chipg7

Personal stories / headcanon are for the Ten Forward sub-forum.

sharksinspace

I don't usually agree with Protogoth so I think this should show how iffy your assertion is OP. Word of God confirms it, Vulcans became Romulans.

gulberat

gawainviii wrote: »

To the Council of Planetary Archaeology,
Nova Roma, Rator III:

For years, we have been taught that Romulans are descended from a warlike faction of Vulcans who refused to accept Surak's teachings of logic. The Federation Ambassador Spock corrupted young minds of loyal Romulan citizens like D'Tan, creating the Reunification movement that led these youths to betray the Empire and create their own so-called Romulan Republic, full of traitors and terrorists. I tell you today, that the history of the Romulan people, taught by Spock to D'Tan and his followers is a myth! A fiction invented by Spock in a vain attempt to solidify his place in history as the aging Vulcan ambassador was ending his career with no legacy of his own, forever standing in the shadows of history behind the ego of James Kirk.

But I shall not spread propaganda, as Spock has done. I shall disseminate facts and logic to prove my case:
+ We know of the Preserver race that seeded humanoid DNA throughout the galaxy, including Humans, Klingons, Vulcans, and Cardassians, among others.
+ The human biologist A.E. Hodgkin postulated the idea that similar organisms, given similar conditions, will evolve in parallel to one another, without any contact whatsoever.
+ The indigenous people of Mintaka III are biologically similar to both Vulcans and Romulans, but evolved independently of both--lending further credence to Hodgkin's Law of Parallel Planetary Development.
+ In Vulcan lore, the Time of the Awakening, when Surak was alive teaching his philosophy of logic to save the Vulcan people from nuclear annihilation occurred 2,000 years ago (circa Earth's 4th century)
+ According to Vulcan lore, the Sundering happened during the Time of the Awakening, when a dissident faction of Vulcans refused to accept Surak's teachings and left Vulcan, taking with them the mythical Sword of the Raptor Star, supposedly crafted by Vulcan master weaponsmith S'harien
+ The Vulcan colonists who "marched beneath the Raptor's Wings", fought a great battle on Dimorus II--the victors of which became the founders of the Romulan Star Empire. The Sword was lost during that battle.
+ D'Tan's Republic, in the process of surveying Dewa III, which they now call Mol'Rihan, supposedly found the mythical sword. Quantum dating confirms the age of the sword to correspond to the time of the Sundering--and D'Tan's "experts" subjectively claim that the swords masterwork craftsmanship could only be attributed to S'harien (because there are no other master swordsmiths in the entire history of the galaxy who could have equaled his quality).
+ 1,500 years AFTER the Sundering, when these proto-Romulans supposedly left Vulcan, the Vulcans finally develop warp-capable space-flight. (Source: ENT: The Forge)
+ 300 years after Vulcans first develop warp technology, they make first contact with humans, only 16 light-years away. (Source: ENT: The Forge)
+ 1,800 years BEFORE Vulcans met Humans, they colonized Romulus--THREE SECTORS AWAY?!?
+ Not to mention that the Sword of the Raptor Star was lost on Dimorus II, but found on Dewa III, four sectors away...

So, Spock's myth expects us to believe that Vulcan's left Vulcan--travelled 3 sectors, fought a battle, colonized a world 4 sectors away from the battle (in the wrong direction) then left that colony to travel BACK the way they came to finally settle on Romulus--and all this happened within the same Century, and all without Warp travel?

Romulans are not Vulcan's unwanted cousin. We are our own! We do not march Beneath the Raptor's Wings--WE ARE THE RAPTOR!

The Romulan Republic is founded on a lie, perpetuated by a Federation emissary, taught to a child, and accepted by a generation of Romulans who are grasping for something familiar after the loss of our homeworld. All of this elaborate plot, just to break the will of the Romulan people and to hack away at the Empire's power so that the Federation can ASSIMILATE more of the galaxy... all the while looking like some unwitting hero who just happens to show up to help fix things after the disaster they created.

I am NOT a Vulcan; I am ROMULAN!

Respectfully Submitted,
--Gaius i-Yulius tr'Kesar

[RP hat on]Explain why the fossil records of Romulus, prior to its destruction, contained no evidence of the types of intermediary forms required for Romulans to have evolved natively on Romulus and all romulanoid life appears mere millennia ago. Or are you taking advantage of the tragic demise of Romulus as fertile ground for your conspiracy theories hoping they will take root because it is no longer possible to observe any artifacts not taken out of the Eisn system prior to Hobus?

Be careful before you pursue this unfounded theory further--note that extant exported Romulan flora and fauna WILL show a higher than statistically expected difference between Romulans and their natural environs, even taking Preserver seeding of all romulanoid races into account. Given that the seeding process unfolded over billions of years, all planets' indigenous life still bears a unique signature, the lack of which will be blatantly observable AND linkable to Vulcan and its natural flora and fauna. As regards hallowed Romulus itself, the situation will be analogous to that of Dewa III/Mol'Rihan, where Romulans are also non-native, not, as you claim, a theory where Romulans evolved natively on Romulus.[/RP hat off]

Sorry, couldn't resist.