Still not buying Mirror Leeta as ruler of the Terran Empire after what the Terrans did to Mirror Bajor. Waiting for the day we see Gul Kanril Eleya shoot her in the face as a traitor to the Bajoran people.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Maybe Mirror Leeta was able to take power from O'brien during or after the Iconian war?
Haven't played on the test server, but I'm assuming with the story re-write that O'Brien is out of the picture entirely and Leeta is the big bad in the mirror arc now.
I'm still using the Jupiter uniforms. Something actually Imperial looking.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Skimpy uniforms are mirror-canon to show how "devious" the MU is. But THAT is ridiculous.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Skimpy uniforms are mirror-canon to show how "devious" the MU is. But THAT is ridiculous.
Devious, as in cunning or sly? Did you mean deviant?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Devious, as in cunning or sly? Did you mean deviant?
Yeah, I meant that. What the brit said One could also add "corrupt" to it. Skimpy clothes are evil. But in this case, they actually are.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Devious, as in cunning or sly? Did you mean deviant?
Yeah, I meant that. What the brit said One could also add "corrupt" to it. Skimpy clothes are evil. But in this case, they actually are.
Corrupt, as in likely to take a bribe ?
, I kid, it also means evil .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
No, corrupt as in the job of female Terran military personnel until the Klingon-Cardassian conquest was to sexually service their male crewmates. They actually fought over the right to be the "Captain’s woman", i.e. the CO's personal sex slave, because it meant comparatively better treatment: they only had to get TRIBBLE by ONE guy instead of the entire crew.
Why Leeta is wearing it, given that context, is well beyond my ability to tease out. The Terran Empire in this game just took the "complete and utter frakking nonsense" crown away from "Butterfly".
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Who the hell cares? Gimme the outfit!!! Terran Empire ftw.
You changed your avatar... I don't like it.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Who the hell cares? Gimme the outfit!!! Terran Empire ftw.
You changed your avatar... I don't like it.
You don't have a Typhoon in your sig. Change it!
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^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
If Leta is choosing (while in a command position) to wear that for some reason; I'd say Bajor has spent to long under their evil human overlords. Maybe she didn't get proper socialization when she was younger.
Think I'd prefer this still:
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Why is the universe with more liberal ideas toward personal clothing the evil one? Seems like a more lase fair dress code would be the sign of an enlightened society, not one which routinely commits brutal acts of repression for the sake of established authority.
That's it, I'm defecting for short-shorts. :P
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I wouldn't say clothing itself is evil. If you think about it it has alot to do with culture and world view of a person preceaving the outfit. For example based on the screenshot of Leeta up there- we might assume that women aren't highly valued in the Terran empire. Or maybe are simply expected to show a ridiculous amount of skin to be taken seriously- I don't know.
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I wouldn't say clothing itself is evil. If you think about it it has alot to do with culture and world view of a person preceaving the outfit. For example based on the screenshot of Leeta up there- we might assume that women aren't highly valued in the Terran empire. Or maybe are simply expected to show a ridiculous amount of skin to be taken seriously- I don't know.
See. France versus North Korea.
What the "attractive women wearing less clothing than we're comfortable with = evil" idea is derived from is an immediate contradiction of present social conventions.
"Something that we personally don't approve of in open society (ex. Spock's Lenin-esque facial hair in American 1960's television)? *Gasp*, that's EVIL!!!! Burn it with fire!"
It's visual short hand for an idea (they aren't the same as us) but which misrepresents the broader social trend at work in the iconography (it seems to negatively correlate to repressive regimes and social institutions (particularly when women aren't valued by society). The mirror universe having all grey SF uniforms as opposed to Red/Blue/Gold probably would have been more appropriate for the intended fiction. As it is, the United Federation of No-short-shorts is going to be minus at least one captain come season 11. :P)
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Maybe Mirror Leeta was able to take power from O'brien during or after the Iconian war?
Haven't played on the test server, but I'm assuming with the story re-write that O'Brien is out of the picture entirely and Leeta is the big bad in the mirror arc now.
It's possible- I'm not sure how much time has passed since DS9 and the Dominion war and the game.
Personally i hope not- I'm using a family member of his as a foundry villain. I might be able to find a work around though.
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Maybe Mirror Leeta was able to take power from O'brien during or after the Iconian war?
Haven't played on the test server, but I'm assuming with the story re-write that O'Brien is out of the picture entirely and Leeta is the big bad in the mirror arc now.
It's possible- I'm not sure how much time has passed since DS9 and the Dominion war and the game.
Personally i hope not- I'm using a family member of his as a foundry villain. I might be able to find a work around though.
~40 years, plus a few to cover the gap between DS9 and Nemesis. O'brien prime could still be kicking around somewhere (which I'd personally love to see as a mid-season plot development (culminating in a cross-universe darts match) but then again I don't have anything at stake. )
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@duncanidaho11 : I think @zionus0 was talking about James O'Brien, as in the head of the Terran Empire in the old storyline who was the son of Mirror Miles O'Brien and had killed his father in a coup.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
@duncanidaho11 : I think @zionus0 was talking about James O'Brien, as in the head of the Terran Empire in the old storyline who was the son of Mirror Miles O'Brien and had killed his father in a coup.
That's why I qualified by "prime" (insert "even" after "could" and that was my intention with the statement. :P)
The 40+ allows for both to be players in the Terran Empire. I also don't think that there would be any insurmountable conflict between new plot and old foundry missions except if it was explicitly stated how many children Smiley Sr. had and which were captains/commanders in the Terran navy. Even if they add another Smiley Jr., or resort back to Smiley Sr., you can always write James in as the other son.
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The Mirror Odyssey Uniforms were Pulled, and it seems we now know why. They are going to be using an new custom outfit which just looks amazing!
ps, although it has a little artistic license, this isn't far off from what we see in-game.
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Haven't played on the test server, but I'm assuming with the story re-write that O'Brien is out of the picture entirely and Leeta is the big bad in the mirror arc now.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Devious, as in cunning or sly? Did you mean deviant?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Yeah, I meant that. What the brit said One could also add "corrupt" to it. Skimpy clothes are evil. But in this case, they actually are.
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Corrupt, as in likely to take a bribe ?
, I kid, it also means evil .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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Why Leeta is wearing it, given that context, is well beyond my ability to tease out. The Terran Empire in this game just took the "complete and utter frakking nonsense" crown away from "Butterfly".
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You changed your avatar... I don't like it.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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Neither do I.
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Think I'd prefer this still:
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See. France versus North Korea.
What the "attractive women wearing less clothing than we're comfortable with = evil" idea is derived from is an immediate contradiction of present social conventions.
"Something that we personally don't approve of in open society (ex. Spock's Lenin-esque facial hair in American 1960's television)? *Gasp*, that's EVIL!!!! Burn it with fire!"
It's visual short hand for an idea (they aren't the same as us) but which misrepresents the broader social trend at work in the iconography (it seems to negatively correlate to repressive regimes and social institutions (particularly when women aren't valued by society). The mirror universe having all grey SF uniforms as opposed to Red/Blue/Gold probably would have been more appropriate for the intended fiction. As it is, the United Federation of No-short-shorts is going to be minus at least one captain come season 11. :P)
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It's possible- I'm not sure how much time has passed since DS9 and the Dominion war and the game.
Personally i hope not- I'm using a family member of his as a foundry villain. I might be able to find a work around though.
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~40 years, plus a few to cover the gap between DS9 and Nemesis. O'brien prime could still be kicking around somewhere (which I'd personally love to see as a mid-season plot development (culminating in a cross-universe darts match) but then again I don't have anything at stake. )
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That's why I qualified by "prime" (insert "even" after "could" and that was my intention with the statement. :P)
The 40+ allows for both to be players in the Terran Empire. I also don't think that there would be any insurmountable conflict between new plot and old foundry missions except if it was explicitly stated how many children Smiley Sr. had and which were captains/commanders in the Terran navy. Even if they add another Smiley Jr., or resort back to Smiley Sr., you can always write James in as the other son.
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