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Is there a reason why the T5 Hegh'ta

stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
can't make use of the Type 3 ship material? Or doesn't get a T5U token?

Perhaps this issue can be remedied with the release of a T6 Hegh'ta, so that we may bring everlasting death to our enemies

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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    The type 3 material reserved for zen-ships if i'm not mistaking and the Hegh'ta dosen't have a store counterpart only the standard dil version from the shipyard.

    As for the rest, well you probably already know the answer. :/

    Also don't expect a T6 version of it. The T6 bop that aproaches with the speed of a horta is B'rel based and from what we've seen there are no plans for other T6 bop variants.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    Also don't expect a T6 version of it. The T6 bop that aproaches with the speed of a horta is B'rel based and from what we've seen there are no plans for other T6 bop variants.
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  • delerouxdeleroux Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    T6 Hegh'ta... I wish. Unfortunately, it'll probably never happen at this rate. It's taken them this long and we haven't even gotten the B'rel yet, and will only get it when they finally get around to selling the Feddies their busted variation of the Defiant. So the chances that we'll see any of the other nice BoPs made available at top tier any time soon is seeming rather slim.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    Would people accept existing models with Tier 6 stats being made available for c-store purchase? Would you want an entirely new model that can use older skins?

    I'd accept the former but I think the latter is probably why we haven't seen as many klingon or romulan vessels compared to the Feds. Whether it's on Cryptic's end or PWE's I think there's a reluctance to release premium ships that don't have new art made especially for them. Even when they revamped old ships like the Galaxy, Negh'var, D'D and other canon ships that already had T5 or earlier models in the game, they marketed them with new skins. And from Lootcritter's interview with Thomas Marrone this process seems to take a fair amount of time. And speaking objectively and putting aside my desire to have a range of T6 BoPs to choose from, paying $25-30 for a ship that has an old model with no alternate skins might be too much to ask, and they'll open themselves up to criticism for it too.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    stofsk wrote: »
    Would people accept existing models with Tier 6 stats being made available for c-store purchase? Would you want an entirely new model that can use older skins?

    I'd accept the former but I think the latter is probably why we haven't seen as many klingon or romulan vessels compared to the Feds. Whether it's on Cryptic's end or PWE's I think there's a reluctance to release premium ships that don't have new art made especially for them. Even when they revamped old ships like the Galaxy, Negh'var, D'D and other canon ships that already had T5 or earlier models in the game, they marketed them with new skins. And from Lootcritter's interview with Thomas Marrone this process seems to take a fair amount of time. And speaking objectively and putting aside my desire to have a range of T6 BoPs to choose from, paying $25-30 for a ship that has an old model with no alternate skins might be too much to ask, and they'll open themselves up to criticism for it too.

    At this point, I wouldn't mind as long as they don't price them as the current T6 ships with actual, new models. That's how bad the KDF & Rom lineup at T6 is right now. If they want, when they get around to new ship skins for them, they could sell the new costumes like old ship skins used to be in the C-Store.
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  • delerouxdeleroux Member Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    stofsk wrote: »
    Would people accept existing models with Tier 6 stats being made available for c-store purchase? Would you want an entirely new model that can use older skins?

    I'd accept the former but I think the latter is probably why we haven't seen as many klingon or romulan vessels compared to the Feds. Whether it's on Cryptic's end or PWE's I think there's a reluctance to release premium ships that don't have new art made especially for them. Even when they revamped old ships like the Galaxy, Negh'var, D'D and other canon ships that already had T5 or earlier models in the game, they marketed them with new skins. And from Lootcritter's interview with Thomas Marrone this process seems to take a fair amount of time. And speaking objectively and putting aside my desire to have a range of T6 BoPs to choose from, paying $25-30 for a ship that has an old model with no alternate skins might be too much to ask, and they'll open themselves up to criticism for it too.

    At this point, I wouldn't mind as long as they don't price them as the current T6 ships with actual, new models. That's how bad the KDF & Rom lineup at T6 is right now. If they want, when they get around to new ship skins for them, they could sell the new costumes like old ship skins used to be in the C-Store.

    Pretty much in the same boat. I just want a T6 BoP.

    BoPs like the Norgh or the QulDun might be the best candidates for a simple T6 stat/boff/console update with no new model/texture, since they at least already have C-store skin variants available. But yeah, I wouldn't be happy about paying standard T6 prices for a recycled BoP that isn't getting any aesthetic updates, or special consoles/abilities.

    It's just bizarre to me that there isn't at least 1 T6 BoP by now.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    At this point, I wouldn't mind as long as they don't price them as the current T6 ships with actual, new models. That's how bad the KDF & Rom lineup at T6 is right now. If they want, when they get around to new ship skins for them, they could sell the new costumes like old ship skins used to be in the C-Store.
    A compromise proposal might be to put in Fleet T6 BoPs without c-store versions. Like how you can get the Fleet Norgh but no c-store equivalent to confer a FSM discount.
    deleroux wrote: »
    BoPs like the Norgh or the QulDun might be the best candidates for a simple T6 stat/boff/console update with no new model/texture, since they at least already have C-store skin variants available. But yeah, I wouldn't be happy about paying standard T6 prices for a recycled BoP that isn't getting any aesthetic updates, or special consoles/abilities.

    It's just bizarre to me that there isn't at least 1 T6 BoP by now.
    Yeah it's disappointing and frustrating. They're taking forever to release the B'rel as well. We all know it's coming and it'll be an instant purchase for me regardless of ship trait or console. (unless they do something spectacularly bad with the ship, like 'forget' to give it the enhanced battle cloak).
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    stofsk wrote: »
    At this point, I wouldn't mind as long as they don't price them as the current T6 ships with actual, new models. That's how bad the KDF & Rom lineup at T6 is right now. If they want, when they get around to new ship skins for them, they could sell the new costumes like old ship skins used to be in the C-Store.
    A compromise proposal might be to put in Fleet T6 BoPs without c-store versions. Like how you can get the Fleet Norgh but no c-store equivalent to confer a FSM discount.
    deleroux wrote: »
    BoPs like the Norgh or the QulDun might be the best candidates for a simple T6 stat/boff/console update with no new model/texture, since they at least already have C-store skin variants available. But yeah, I wouldn't be happy about paying standard T6 prices for a recycled BoP that isn't getting any aesthetic updates, or special consoles/abilities.

    It's just bizarre to me that there isn't at least 1 T6 BoP by now.
    Yeah it's disappointing and frustrating. They're taking forever to release the B'rel as well. We all know it's coming and it'll be an instant purchase for me regardless of ship trait or console. (unless they do something spectacularly bad with the ship, like 'forget' to give it the enhanced battle cloak).

    I really want to avoid a repeat of the sheer amount of KDF Fleet Ships costing us 4 FSMs for a single character purchase. This was due to us having almost no endgame C-Store ships in the Pre-Delta Rising days. But for T6, that will now be 5 FSMs. I'm really, really against that.

    Too many notable ships Pre-Delta Rising were locked behind 4 FSM ships.

    All the Non-B'Rel Fleet BOPs.
    Fleet Vor'Cha - Our powerhouse Battlecruiser for a very long time.
    Fleet Corsair - Because SCI Crusiers were almost nonexistent for KDF.
    Fleet Kamarang - I really wanted this ship but couldn't justify 4 FSMs for her. On top of that a single character buy only.
    Fleet Vo'Quv
    Etc.

    I don't want to see that happen again. They need the typical C-Store + Fleet version purchases or buying from the C-Store outright as Fleet level like some ships already are.

    Before Delta Rising, the Fleet Ship System was very bad, very expensive for the KDF. Nothing at all like the selection, natural progressions, discounts found with the Fed & Rom Fleet Ship system. KDF? 4 FSMs was the magical term.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    Yeah it's not the ideal solution. Compromises don't tend to be.

    Ideally what would happen is Cryptic pivots their ship work schedule on birds-of-prey and they become the major ship releases for the next quarter or so. I mean we've had battlecruiser after battlecruiser, raptors got some love (they were on the bottom, now they're on top) and us BoP lovers are left standing in the rain.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    stofsk wrote: »
    I'll keep carrying a torch no matter how much my heart breaks

    If you need help carrying that torch don't hesitate to call me, the Hegh'ta is one of my all time favorite ships in STO and I still have a character that stubbornly uses the Hegh'ta despite her shortcomings in the T6 world.

    As for the rest - it doesn't get a T5U token because Crpytic in their infinite wisdom decided that free ships we get through progression don't get a T5U token, even if they're T5 ships. It's all about the cha-ching!
    stofsk wrote: »
    Would people accept existing models with Tier 6 stats being made available for c-store purchase? Would you want an entirely new model that can use older skins?

    Logically, of course people would. Sadly, when it comes to Cryptic and the KDF - logic is usually out the window.
    I mean, just look at the T6 sales so far - they're completely resorting to T6 variations of canon and T5 ships because that's what people want and that's what really sells. Que an "I told you so" moment here. Out of the new T6 models I think that only the command ships sold as well as the updates of T5 ships, they're the ones I see around a lot - the others apart from people stripping them of their ship traits soon after release I don't see that much really. I encounter them....sporadically...
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    shpoks wrote: »
    stofsk wrote: »
    I'll keep carrying a torch no matter how much my heart breaks

    If you need help carrying that torch don't hesitate to call me, the Hegh'ta is one of my all time favorite ships in STO and I still have a character that stubbornly uses the Hegh'ta despite her shortcomings in the T6 world.

    As for the rest - it doesn't get a T5U token because Crpytic in their infinite wisdom decided that free ships we get through progression don't get a T5U token, even if they're T5 ships. It's all about the cha-ching!
    stofsk wrote: »
    Would people accept existing models with Tier 6 stats being made available for c-store purchase? Would you want an entirely new model that can use older skins?

    Logically, of course people would. Sadly, when it comes to Cryptic and the KDF - logic is usually out the window.
    I mean, just look at the T6 sales so far - they're completely resorting to T6 variations of canon and T5 ships because that's what people want and that's what really sells. Que an "I told you so" moment here. Out of the new T6 models I think that only the command ships sold as well as the updates of T5 ships, they're the ones I see around a lot - the others apart from people stripping them of their ship traits soon after release I don't see that much really. I encounter them....sporadically...

    So... Where exactly is the logic out of the window? People want canon ships, Cryptic gives it to them. That sounds very logical to me.

    Not that I don't want a Tier 6 Heg'Ta, but Cryptic certainly tries to sell stuff that will be bought in quantity, to cover the cost of developing the new skins and mechanics and have a nice profit left. But that isn't illogical.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    So... Where exactly is the logic out of the window? People want canon ships, Cryptic gives it to them. That sounds very logical to me.

    Not that I don't want a Tier 6 Heg'Ta, but Cryptic certainly tries to sell stuff that will be bought in quantity, to cover the cost of developing the new skins and mechanics and have a nice profit left. But that isn't illogical.

    You misinterpreted or misread that comment, that particular comment was not referring directly at the Hegh'ta issue but more regarding about the general relationship between Cryptic and the KDF faction and it's players for the greater part of the past 5+ years.
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  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    stofsk wrote: »
    Yeah it's not the ideal solution. Compromises don't tend to be.

    Ideally what would happen is Cryptic pivots their ship work schedule on birds-of-prey and they become the major ship releases for the next quarter or so. I mean we've had battlecruiser after battlecruiser, raptors got some love (they were on the bottom, now they're on top) and us BoP lovers are left standing in the rain.

    Not ideal solution? try another pile of bak'tag. We're finally getting C-store ships where there's no FSM to buy, no hundreds of thousands of fleet credits to burn through, and no single character purchase instead of account-wide unlock. To reverse what progress there is just not worth opening the can of worms, or otherwise not opening the game launcher if they do. I got more KDF ships since the T6's hit than previously and I would like them to keep doing things more and more the right way. This particular compromise is more like capitulation than negotiation so no thanks. I don't even know if I'm getting the B'rel even if it is a C-store unlock. I most certainly have no intention of wasting time grinding and even less real cash for fleet ships that don't get a C-store ship already bought discount. If they try locking it away behind 5 FSMs and 250,000 fleet credits, I'll do fine with my T5U B'rel thank you very much.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    Hey that's great and all but my point isn't that that was an ideal situation, but rather a compromise I'd be willing to live with because we're at one year since Delta Rising launched and there is STILL no T6 BoP available to the KDF. And ships like the Hegh'ta don't even get an upgrade or use of one of the best ship materials available to the KDF.

    But I agree with everyone else who's posted here, ideally Cryptic would work on BoPs and focus on new models.
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