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Should all C-Store T5 ships be available at level 40?

rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
edited October 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
With the launch of T6 ships at level 50, several T5 ships started to get replaced. Ships like the Galaxy, Prometheus, Excelsior, Intrepid, D'Deridex, Qin (or whatever that raptor was called) and so on. Which means that those of us who get the replacement versions, have absolutely zero reason to ever be in the regular T5's again.

There is also still a horrible lack of level 40-50 ships. The Feds get 6 free ones to choose from, 2 C-Store ships (Excelsior and Nebula) and the LTS ship. Romulan just the 3 free ones and the LTS, no C store ship at all. And KDF.... not sure, been a while since I levelled one of those.

Now, I don't mean T5U or Fleet T5 at level 40, those are perfect at level 50. But for the regular T5 C-Store ships my question remains:
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Should all C-Store T5 ships be available at level 40? 86 votes

Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
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No, these ships are perfectly available at their current level.
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Yes, except the Fleet-Level C-Store T5 ships such as the Oddysey
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Other, please specify.
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  • kjwashingtonkjwashington Member Posts: 2,529 Arc User
    Aren't you able to use T6 ships at level 40? I know my one character that I'm leveling right now can use the Nandi and Kobali ship at level 41. I'm not sure about faction specific T6 ships.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    Voted yes. It no longer makes sense to gate T5 ships at level 50 when T6 ships become available at the same level.

    It might also stop all those people from equating T4 = Rear Admiral free ships :v
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    Yes, when T6 came out with Delta / Profits Rising, I was surprised that the C-Store / Fleet ships for T5 had the old rank requirements while T6 had the same. All T5's should have been put at the same Lv40 requirement now that T6 is here.
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    I say Yes. Since you can now get T6 at Lv50.
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  • kyrrokkyrrok Member Posts: 1,352 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    It would be much preferable as opposed to just getting them for the console and retired in short order. That is much like throwing money (proverbial, or actual) into the trash. There is just no value in the T5 ships as it is and a bump down in requirement would be a welcome sight. I'm not holding my breath for it though.
  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    Yes, simply because there are more options at T1, T2, or T3 than there are at T4. If I level an alt, I have to suffer through T4 with a ship choice of worse, more worser, or most worserest.
  • scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    kjwashington wrote: »
    Aren't you able to use T6 ships at level 40? I know my one character that I'm leveling right now can use the Nandi and Kobali ship at level 41. I'm not sure about faction specific T6 ships.
    my event ships seem to do this, but not cstore/box/promo.
  • grtiggygrtiggy Member Posts: 444 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    tbh i felt T6 should have been only accesable at lvl 60 ya know... cause logic.
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  • starke1701starke1701 Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    grtiggy wrote: »
    tbh i felt T6 should have been only accesable at lvl 60 ya know... cause logic.

    Yeah, that would have made sense. But, since 50->60 seems to be a slog for most players, I can see why they'd want to sell those ships to more players. At the same time, yeah, the T5s, especially the ones with T6 versions, really should be bumped down to 40.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    All T5s should be available at Level 40 now that T6s are the standard at 50.

    Cut all their costs by 500 Zen so that the Fleet level and console-equipped ships cost the same as their non-console and non-fleet level ships at that tier, and instead cut the price of the single T5U upgrade down to 500 Zen. That way, players can opt for the T5U upgrade so that their ships can scale to 60.

    Besides, T5 Lockbox ships are usable at 40 and scale freely. My suggested pricing change would let level 40 players keep up just by paying a flat fee rather than the EC or gamble the lockboxes for one.

    And while you're at it, to keep the T5U upgrades worthwhile, add Mirror ships to the list of ships that can be T5U'd, since they're also available at level 40 for use.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    tinkerstorm wrote: »
    Yes, simply because there are more options at T1, T2, or T3 than there are at T4. If I level an alt, I have to suffer through T4 with a ship choice of worse, more worser, or most worserest.
    T4 isn't the subject of this thread, T5 is.
  • tempus64tempus64 Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    grtiggy wrote: »
    tbh i felt T6 should have been only accesable at lvl 60 ya know... cause logic.
    That would then make it a T7 ship since at level "0" you start with a Tier 1 ship.
  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    add Mirror ships to the list of ships that can be T5U'd.
    now i'd buy that for a dollar (500 zen)
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    To add to T6 at level 60: the content of Delta Rising, as well as the increase in enemy damage output and hull strength post level 50 were designed with people flying T5U/T6 in their mind. Even though stated otherwise, post-level 50 was designed for T5U/T6. Not regular T5.​​
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    Well, the T5/U vet ships already got ranked down to 40 shortly after their T6 versions got released, so maybe there really is a chance for that happen across the board. Would be nice at least.
  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Yes - very much so.

    I also suspect that a good deal of T5 ship sales are, these days, a result of players wanting consoles rather than the actual ship.

    Probably.

    Take the Pathfinder launch for example. If you didn't have the T5 Intrepid yet and didn't care that much for the bridge, why buy this ship? The Ablative armor console. The rest of the ship is not gonna hold up to the Pathfinder, so why get it otherwise?

    Also take the Hestia. Why buy the Prometheus at this point? The Multi-Vector console. There is literally no other reason left now, except 500 zen cheaper.​​
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    Yes. All the other ship tiers have fixed level requirements, so having T5 be arbitrarily split between level 40-50 makes no sense.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    No, these ships are perfectly available at their current level.
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Yes - very much so.

    I also suspect that a good deal of T5 ship sales are, these days, a result of players wanting consoles rather than the actual ship.

    Probably.

    Take the Pathfinder launch for example. If you didn't have the T5 Intrepid yet and didn't care that much for the bridge, why buy this ship? The Ablative armor console. The rest of the ship is not gonna hold up to the Pathfinder, so why get it otherwise?

    Also take the Hestia. Why buy the Prometheus at this point? The Multi-Vector console. There is literally no other reason left now, except 500 zen cheaper.​​
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    orangeitis wrote: »
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Yes - very much so.

    I also suspect that a good deal of T5 ship sales are, these days, a result of players wanting consoles rather than the actual ship.

    Probably.

    Take the Pathfinder launch for example. If you didn't have the T5 Intrepid yet and didn't care that much for the bridge, why buy this ship? The Ablative armor console. The rest of the ship is not gonna hold up to the Pathfinder, so why get it otherwise?

    Also take the Hestia. Why buy the Prometheus at this point? The Multi-Vector console. There is literally no other reason left now, except 500 zen cheaper.
    After season 11 hits, there WILL be the Admiralty cards to collect.

    That is very much true. However, I don't think a glorified doff should cost 2500 zen. Allright 1250 zen, with the rest for the console.

    Also keep in mind that Admirality only begins at level 52, way past the point every ship ingame is available to you anyway.​​
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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    Other, please specify.
    I'd go "Yes, all available at 40" with one provision: That you can't apply an upgrade token to make it "T5U" until you've hit L50.

    And people seem to forget, for the ships that have a T5-store and T6, you can "choose" between:
    Taking the T5, buying the fleet version, and slap the upgrade token to have the T5U11, which oddly enough has 10% more hull and shields than the baseline T6, and the 11th console instead of a 13th BOff slot.
    And the straight-up T6 version...

    Of course, the slotting is full of weird right now, in that I'd have an easier time joining a fleet to buy the Fleet T6 Pathfinder than one which can give me the Fleet T5 Intrepid, IIRC (Pathfinder = T4, Long Range Sci Retro = T5)
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    dareau wrote: »
    I'd go "Yes, all available at 40" with one provision: That you can't apply an upgrade token to make it "T5U" until you've hit L50.

    And people seem to forget, for the ships that have a T5-store and T6, you can "choose" between:
    Taking the T5, buying the fleet version, and slap the upgrade token to have the T5U11, which oddly enough has 10% more hull and shields than the baseline T6, and the 11th console instead of a 13th BOff slot.
    And the straight-up T6 version...

    Of course, the slotting is full of weird right now, in that I'd have an easier time joining a fleet to buy the Fleet T6 Pathfinder than one which can give me the Fleet T5 Intrepid, IIRC (Pathfinder = T4, Long Range Sci Retro = T5)

    I completely agree that T5U should remain at level 50. Whether people agree or not, they are presented as the equals of the T6 ships. I did include this in the OP as well, but I guess I could have been clearer there.

    Having T5U at level 40 could be equal to giving us the Akira right at the start, or level 10. The power increase between T5 and T5U is pretty large.​​
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  • tinkerstormtinkerstorm Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    stofsk wrote: »
    tinkerstorm wrote: »
    Yes, simply because there are more options at T1, T2, or T3 than there are at T4. If I level an alt, I have to suffer through T4 with a ship choice of worse, more worser, or most worserest.
    T4 isn't the subject of this thread, T5 is.
    Same difference.
  • thatcursedwolfthatcursedwolf Member Posts: 1,617 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    dareau wrote: »
    I'd go "Yes, all available at 40" with one provision: That you can't apply an upgrade token to make it "T5U" until you've hit L50.

    And people seem to forget, for the ships that have a T5-store and T6, you can "choose" between:
    Taking the T5, buying the fleet version, and slap the upgrade token to have the T5U11, which oddly enough has 10% more hull and shields than the baseline T6, and the 11th console instead of a 13th BOff slot.
    And the straight-up T6 version...

    Of course, the slotting is full of weird right now, in that I'd have an easier time joining a fleet to buy the Fleet T6 Pathfinder than one which can give me the Fleet T5 Intrepid, IIRC (Pathfinder = T4, Long Range Sci Retro = T5)

    I completely agree that T5U should remain at level 50. Whether people agree or not, they are presented as the equals of the T6 ships. I did include this in the OP as well, but I guess I could have been clearer there.

    Having T5U at level 40 could be equal to giving us the Akira right at the start, or level 10. The power increase between T5 and T5U is pretty large.​​

    One could claim the Risian Corvette at level 40 before T6 was even a glimmer in Gecko's eye, since that's where T5 actually begins.

    You can claim event T6 at 40 as well. Why should T5U come after you can claim T6 ships?

    Going T5U at 40 keeps you from wasting mastery gain and you spend what, 30 minutes, in 40-50 anyways?
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  • rahmkota19rahmkota19 Member Posts: 1,929 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    thatcursedwolf wrote: »
    rahmkota19 wrote: »
    dareau wrote: »
    I'd go "Yes, all available at 40" with one provision: That you can't apply an upgrade token to make it "T5U" until you've hit L50.

    And people seem to forget, for the ships that have a T5-store and T6, you can "choose" between:
    Taking the T5, buying the fleet version, and slap the upgrade token to have the T5U11, which oddly enough has 10% more hull and shields than the baseline T6, and the 11th console instead of a 13th BOff slot.
    And the straight-up T6 version...

    Of course, the slotting is full of weird right now, in that I'd have an easier time joining a fleet to buy the Fleet T6 Pathfinder than one which can give me the Fleet T5 Intrepid, IIRC (Pathfinder = T4, Long Range Sci Retro = T5)

    I completely agree that T5U should remain at level 50. Whether people agree or not, they are presented as the equals of the T6 ships. I did include this in the OP as well, but I guess I could have been clearer there.

    Having T5U at level 40 could be equal to giving us the Akira right at the start, or level 10. The power increase between T5 and T5U is pretty large.

    One could claim the Risian Corvette at level 40 before T6 was even a glimmer in Gecko's eye, since that's where T5 actually begins.

    You can claim event T6 at 40 as well. Why should T5U come after you can claim T6 ships?

    Going T5U at 40 keeps you from wasting mastery gain and you spend what, 30 minutes, in 40-50 anyways?

    This indeed is pretty weird. But I am opposed to T6 at level 40. Those ships have got certain bonusses and powers that simply make them too overpowered for level 40 to 50. And this goes for T5U as well. Ships are not supposed to melt through content on default with a low-end build. Which is exactly what a Breen Carrier or Nandi will do at level 40. Most people will be in their eraly Cardassian arc by then, and they don't stand a chance against these kind of ships at this level.​​
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  • f9thretxcf9thretxc Member Posts: 505 Arc User
    Other, please specify.
    I voted other, with a caveat. I would love to see the 2000 zen ships available at level 40, however, I would also like to see them available for Rom toons. Once you hit the 2500 zen limit, of course level 50 is the way to go IMHO.​​
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  • sovereign47sovereign47 Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    Yes, because there no point in buying them if you can get their better versions for just a bit higher price.
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  • kirimuffinkirimuffin Member Posts: 695 Arc User
    Yes, all C-Store T5 ships should be available at level 40.
    Yes. There is no longer any reason to restrict some T5 ships to level 50 and not others.
    dareau wrote: »
    I'd go "Yes, all available at 40" with one provision: That you can't apply an upgrade token to make it "T5U" until you've hit L50.

    How does that make sense, when T6 lockbox/event ships can be used at level 40?

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