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Star Trek Question

catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
edited October 2015 in Ten Forward
Why did the Klingon's in Star Trek 6, bleed out Pepto Bismol? Worf and the other Klingons in TNG & DS9, bled normal red blood.

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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpecialEffectFailure

    That's why.
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpecialEffectFailure

    That's why.

    like the pink tribbles on TAS?
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    catstarsto wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpecialEffectFailure

    That's why.

    like the pink tribbles on TAS?

    I'm saying, don't read more into things than you have to. It's just like Klingon and Romulan foreheads and the NX-01 looking more technologically advanced than NCC-1701: The technology of moviemaking just evolved, and any possible in-universe explanation is inevitably going to just raise more questions than it answers.
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    i forgot about the klingons on enterprise, they didnt turn into Saiyen-looking beastmen until the redcoat era of star trek.
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  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    any possible in-universe explanation is inevitably going to just raise more questions than it answers.

    Or end up being considered so ridiculous by the fans that they sometimes refuse to accept it as canon. (I'm talking about you, 'Augment Virus turning Klingons into Klingon-Human Augment hybrids'...)
    "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
    ^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    turbomagnus wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    any possible in-universe explanation is inevitably going to just raise more questions than it answers.

    Or end up being considered so ridiculous by the fans that they sometimes refuse to accept it as canon. (I'm talking about you, 'Augment Virus turning Klingons into Klingon-Human Augment hybrids'...)

    That too. XD

    Seriously, "Trials and Tribble-ations" would've done a lot better to just put Michael Dorn in TOS Klingon makeup and have nobody make any remark on it at all. Roddenberry always said "they were supposed to have ridges the whole time but the budget didn't allow for it".
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
    — Sabaton, "Great War"
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    turbomagnus wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    any possible in-universe explanation is inevitably going to just raise more questions than it answers.

    Or end up being considered so ridiculous by the fans that they sometimes refuse to accept it as canon. (I'm talking about you, 'Augment Virus turning Klingons into Klingon-Human Augment hybrids'...)

    That too. XD

    Seriously, "Trials and Tribble-ations" would've done a lot better to just put Michael Dorn in TOS Klingon makeup and have nobody make any remark on it at all. Roddenberry always said "they were supposed to have ridges the whole time but the budget didn't allow for it".
    And canon would, in my opinion, have been better served if Worf's words in that episode had served as the entirety of the explanation - "We do not discuss it with - outsiders." All the exposition needed, I think.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Look at Chang et al. foreheads, they're using experimental drugs to grow back their ridges and they turn the blood pink.
    The Klingons from TMP took too much and their ridges grew too much.


    Anybody got a better in-universe idea?​​
    22762792376_ac7c992b7c_o.png
    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    Look at Chang et al. foreheads, they're using experimental drugs to grow back their ridges and they turn the blood pink.
    The Klingons from TMP took too much and their ridges grew too much.


    Anybody got a better in-universe idea?​​

    So.....humans have hair club for men, Klingons had head club for men?
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    I rest my case. :D
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
    — Sabaton, "Great War"
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    starswordc wrote: »
    I rest my case. :D

    ?​​
    22762792376_ac7c992b7c_o.png
    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    :O

    i just realised, the snowball went outside the holodeck...mistake or was Moriarty right?
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  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    Look at Chang et al. foreheads, they're using experimental drugs to grow back their ridges and they turn the blood pink.
    The Klingons from TMP took too much and their ridges grew too much.


    Anybody got a better in-universe idea?​​

    Too much paw' pounded their ridges flat?
    (You know, where the Klingons will slam their foreheads together as part of festivals and such?)
    "If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
    ^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    turbomagnus wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Look at Chang et al. foreheads, they're using experimental drugs to grow back their ridges and they turn the blood pink.
    The Klingons from TMP took too much and their ridges grew too much.


    Anybody got a better in-universe idea?

    Too much paw' pounded their ridges flat?
    (You know, where the Klingons will slam their foreheads together as part of festivals and such?)

    Does it change the colour of their blood though?​​
    22762792376_ac7c992b7c_o.png
    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    I rest my case. :D

    ?​​

    The case that attempting to provide in-universe explanations for effects-based changes to the show just makes things worse.
    "Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
    — Sabaton, "Great War"
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  • catstarstocatstarsto Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    artan42 wrote: »
    turbomagnus wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Look at Chang et al. foreheads, they're using experimental drugs to grow back their ridges and they turn the blood pink.
    The Klingons from TMP took too much and their ridges grew too much.


    Anybody got a better in-universe idea?

    Too much paw' pounded their ridges flat?
    (You know, where the Klingons will slam their foreheads together as part of festivals and such?)

    Does it change the colour of their blood though?​​

    that would of been a good plot point to write in, much like those beast men from FarScape, whos blood turns dark or clear, maybe the dna would be going through a metamorphosis as the patient began to revert back .....and id better quit before i end up in spock ears and tribble slippers...
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    starswordc wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    starswordc wrote: »
    I rest my case. :D

    ?

    The case that attempting to provide in-universe explanations for effects-based changes to the show just makes things worse.

    Um no, it ties up the pink blood and the Augment stuff in one.

    If you want ridiculous explanations for out of universe effects issues that lead to major bollocks from fans try the supposed Klingon-Romulan Alliance to explain away Romulan D7s.

    Or you could, you know, have a bit of fun coming up with explanations for the pink blood as is the point of the thread.​​
    22762792376_ac7c992b7c_o.png
    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
    #TASforSTO


    '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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