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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    karlbarb wrote: »

    - The fleet version requires a Tier 5 Starbase. My fleet is large and organized and still has only a T4. I have to wait to give Cryptic more money in the form of a fleet module. Damnit :disappointed:
    - The Federation equivalent (Yamato) can now use the iconic cruiser Molecular Cohesion Nullifier ... but the romulan and klingon dreadnoughts can't?? Uhm ... why? I have this console on my T6 Double-D. I'd love to use it on this ship too, please.

    Join the channel "NoP Public Service" and ask for the appropriate faction starbase tier invite. Provided you have the permissions in your own fleet to buy from the ship stores, you can get an invite from one of the fleets helping out there but the provision is still charged to your fleet. They're very helpful there. And as a sign of support to your original fleet, make sure you help keep the fleet provisions stocked in the projects.

    Unless things have changed recently, you have to be a part of a given fleet to have access to their shipyards, so you can't do it without leaving your current low-tiered fleet. It's still possible and worthwhile, but more involved than just getting a map invite, as you have to find a fleet willing to have you join and gain provisioned access (NOP would probably be one of the better places to ask for it), leave your current fleet, join the new one, buy ship, leave and get re-invited to your old fleet (most fleets will probably let you do this, make sure to ask before leaving and have someone ready to invite you back, and promote you back to your old rank).
  • caanoscaanos Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    For anybody that has the Kara, how does the Spinal Lance interact with the Dual Vector Separation? Do both pets (depending on which section you're piloting) have a shotgun-version of the lance, or does only the section you pilot have it?
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    caanos wrote: »
    For anybody that has the Kara, how does the Spinal Lance interact with the Dual Vector Separation? Do both pets (depending on which section you're piloting) have a shotgun-version of the lance, or does only the section you pilot have it?

    Each pilotable section gets the shotgun blast but the pets do not.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,891 Arc User
    rmy1081 wrote: »
    caanos wrote: »
    For anybody that has the Kara, how does the Spinal Lance interact with the Dual Vector Separation? Do both pets (depending on which section you're piloting) have a shotgun-version of the lance, or does only the section you pilot have it?

    Each pilotable section gets the shotgun blast but the pets do not.

    Yay for getting the shaft!
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  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    Thanks for the Advanced Light Cruiser, Allied Escort Bundles, Jem-Hadar Light Battlecruiser, and Mek'leth
    New Content Wishlist
    T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
    Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
    Dahar Master Jacket

  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
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  • mattdoodymattdoody Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    Have been having issues with the discount on the Karas Fleet version.
    The following is my reply from cryptic.
    Response Via Email (Avriel) 10/17/2015 05:27 PM
    Hello,

    Thank you for the response.

    The ship that you've purchased doesn't have any fleet version yet that is why the discount does not apply because the fleet ship that you're trying to purchase is different from the one you have.

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.


    Regards,
    Avriel
    Game Master
    Perfect World Entertainment
    http://support.arcgames.com/

    Is it just me or does this just make zero sense?
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    just you, I think the sense = the square root of -1

    I mean that is just, wow....
    Thanks for the Advanced Light Cruiser, Allied Escort Bundles, Jem-Hadar Light Battlecruiser, and Mek'leth
    New Content Wishlist
    T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
    Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
    Dahar Master Jacket

  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    mattdoody wrote: »
    Have been having issues with the discount on the Karas Fleet version.
    The following is my reply from cryptic.
    Response Via Email (Avriel) 10/17/2015 05:27 PM
    Hello,

    Thank you for the response.

    The ship that you've purchased doesn't have any fleet version yet that is why the discount does not apply because the fleet ship that you're trying to purchase is different from the one you have.

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.


    Regards,
    Avriel
    Game Master
    Perfect World Entertainment
    http://support.arcgames.com/

    Is it just me or does this just make zero sense?
    It's not just you.
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  • esreaesrea Member Posts: 154 Arc User
    I got the same reply and called CS out on their error. After an exchange of several mails they stuck to this. Still doesn't help me though...


    Thank you for providing the information.

    Currently, the fleet version of the ship in question is unavailable. Thus it is still asking you to pay for 5 Fleet Ship Modules. We apologize for any confusion. Nevertheless, your findings is noted for reference and review. We may also suggest to post your findings using the link below for reinforcement.

    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/categories/sto-feedback

    We appreciate your continued patience and understanding.

    Regards,
    XXXXXXX
    Game Master
    Perfect World Entertainment
    http://support.arcgames.com/
  • vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    So basically when they advertised the Fleet Ha’apax Advanced Warbird [T6] with the Kara it was basically a scam. I'm very very disappointed in cryptic. I bet the federation and Klingons got their fleet discount for their new ships. :(
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  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    So basically when they advertised the Fleet Ha’apax Advanced Warbird [T6] with the Kara it was basically a scam. I'm very very disappointed in cryptic. I bet the federation and Klingons got their fleet discount for their new ships. :(
    People's capacity for negativity never ceases to amaze me.

    What they said is the T6 Fleet version is not yet available. You were looking at the T5 Fleet Ha'apax. If you owned the Haakona (a.k.a. the C-Store Ha'apax Retrofit) then that T5 fleet would only be one fleet module. But you don't want that ship anyway. You want the T6 version, which is not available yet. If you *did* own the Haakona (which is the only way to get the separation module, btw) would you have mistakenly bought the T5 fleet version, then come on here complaining that you were 'tricked' into buying a worthless T5?

    And there have been quite a few Fed and KDF ships released exactly like this. In fact, it seems far more common for the fleet version to be released later than not.
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  • vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    People's capacity for negativity never ceases to amaze me.

    What they said is the T6 Fleet version is not yet available. You were looking at the T5 Fleet Ha'apax. If you owned the Haakona (a.k.a. the C-Store Ha'apax Retrofit) then that T5 fleet would only be one fleet module. But you don't want that ship anyway. You want the T6 version, which is not available yet. If you *did* own the Haakona (which is the only way to get the separation module, btw) would you have mistakenly bought the T5 fleet version, then come on here complaining that you were 'tricked' into buying a worthless T5?

    And there have been quite a few Fed and KDF ships released exactly like this. In fact, it seems far more common for the fleet version to be released later than not.

    People's willingness to accept anything said by a person in authority never ceases to amaze me.

    You seem to be rather confused what's going on here.
    If you own the tier 5 Haakona you receive the discount for the tier 5 fleet advanced Ha'apax.
    The Kara is a tier 6 update of the Haakona so hence you should be able to get the teir 6 fleet advanced Ha'apax for the same discount if you own the Kara. Which you don't , even though they were advertised together on the front page. I assume both the Yamato and Kolasi give a discount for their teir 6 fleet counterparts. If so then it's either a giant mistake on Cryptic's part or very misleading to offer a completely different deal than the other two ships.

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  • mattdoodymattdoody Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    People's capacity for negativity never ceases to amaze me.

    What they said is the T6 Fleet version is not yet available. You were looking at the T5 Fleet Ha'apax. If you owned the Haakona (a.k.a. the C-Store Ha'apax Retrofit) then that T5 fleet would only be one fleet module. But you don't want that ship anyway. You want the T6 version, which is not available yet. If you *did* own the Haakona (which is the only way to get the separation module, btw) would you have mistakenly bought the T5 fleet version, then come on here complaining that you were 'tricked' into buying a worthless T5?

    And there have been quite a few Fed and KDF ships released exactly like this. In fact, it seems far more common for the fleet version to be released later than not.

    People's willingness to accept anything said by a person in authority never ceases to amaze me.

    You seem to be rather confused what's going on here.
    If you own the tier 5 Haakona you receive the discount for the tier 5 fleet advanced Ha'apax.
    The Kara is a tier 6 update of the Haakona so hence you should be able to get the teir 6 fleet advanced Ha'apax for the same discount if you own the Kara. Which you don't , even though they were advertised together on the front page. I assume both the Yamato and Kolasi give a discount for their teir 6 fleet counterparts. If so then it's either a giant mistake on Cryptic's part or very misleading to offer a completely different deal than the other two ships.

    Yes they do. i members of both our KDF and Fed fleets who have baught the T6 dreds and have had no issues in getting the discount on the T6 Fleet versions. The fact that the T6 haapax has the same stats listed as in the original post regarding the stats of the Kara as well as its fleet version (including the hangar and plasma lance), and even showing up on the exact same day as the Kara. How can anyone not think its a fleet version of the ship?
  • royalsovereignroyalsovereign Member Posts: 1,344 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    mattdoody wrote: »
    People's capacity for negativity never ceases to amaze me.

    What they said is the T6 Fleet version is not yet available. You were looking at the T5 Fleet Ha'apax. If you owned the Haakona (a.k.a. the C-Store Ha'apax Retrofit) then that T5 fleet would only be one fleet module. But you don't want that ship anyway. You want the T6 version, which is not available yet. If you *did* own the Haakona (which is the only way to get the separation module, btw) would you have mistakenly bought the T5 fleet version, then come on here complaining that you were 'tricked' into buying a worthless T5?

    And there have been quite a few Fed and KDF ships released exactly like this. In fact, it seems far more common for the fleet version to be released later than not.

    People's willingness to accept anything said by a person in authority never ceases to amaze me.

    You seem to be rather confused what's going on here.
    If you own the tier 5 Haakona you receive the discount for the tier 5 fleet advanced Ha'apax.
    The Kara is a tier 6 update of the Haakona so hence you should be able to get the teir 6 fleet advanced Ha'apax for the same discount if you own the Kara. Which you don't , even though they were advertised together on the front page. I assume both the Yamato and Kolasi give a discount for their teir 6 fleet counterparts. If so then it's either a giant mistake on Cryptic's part or very misleading to offer a completely different deal than the other two ships.

    Yes they do. i members of both our KDF and Fed fleets who have baught the T6 dreds and have had no issues in getting the discount on the T6 Fleet versions. The fact that the T6 haapax has the same stats listed as in the original post regarding the stats of the Kara as well as its fleet version (including the hangar and plasma lance), and even showing up on the exact same day as the Kara. How can anyone not think its a fleet version of the ship?

    So are you bent because the Rom T6 Fleet Kara is not available and the Fed/KDF T6 Fleet Yamato/Kolasi *are* available? If that is the case, that's annoying, but hardly worth tossing the toys out of the pram.

    From your previous post it sounded as though you were angry that you weren't being offered the FM discount, which I figured was probably just owning the wrong ship for it. It *could* just be a bug - that's been known to happen on occasion - but I haven't seen anyone else complaining about it, which means either A) no one is trying to buy the T6 fleet Kara, or 2) it is working fine for everyone else.

    I am pretty sure, however, that this isn't a Cryptic conspiracy to intentionally TRIBBLE you over. It is obvious that the intent is to offer the usual discount. If it isn't there, file a bug report and try to have a tiny bit of patience.
    "You Iconians just hung a vacancy sign on your asses and my foot's looking for a room!"
    --Red Annorax
  • mattdoodymattdoody Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    mattdoody wrote: »
    People's capacity for negativity never ceases to amaze me.

    What they said is the T6 Fleet version is not yet available. You were looking at the T5 Fleet Ha'apax. If you owned the Haakona (a.k.a. the C-Store Ha'apax Retrofit) then that T5 fleet would only be one fleet module. But you don't want that ship anyway. You want the T6 version, which is not available yet. If you *did* own the Haakona (which is the only way to get the separation module, btw) would you have mistakenly bought the T5 fleet version, then come on here complaining that you were 'tricked' into buying a worthless T5?

    And there have been quite a few Fed and KDF ships released exactly like this. In fact, it seems far more common for the fleet version to be released later than not.

    People's willingness to accept anything said by a person in authority never ceases to amaze me.

    You seem to be rather confused what's going on here.
    If you own the tier 5 Haakona you receive the discount for the tier 5 fleet advanced Ha'apax.
    The Kara is a tier 6 update of the Haakona so hence you should be able to get the teir 6 fleet advanced Ha'apax for the same discount if you own the Kara. Which you don't , even though they were advertised together on the front page. I assume both the Yamato and Kolasi give a discount for their teir 6 fleet counterparts. If so then it's either a giant mistake on Cryptic's part or very misleading to offer a completely different deal than the other two ships.

    Yes they do. i members of both our KDF and Fed fleets who have baught the T6 dreds and have had no issues in getting the discount on the T6 Fleet versions. The fact that the T6 haapax has the same stats listed as in the original post regarding the stats of the Kara as well as its fleet version (including the hangar and plasma lance), and even showing up on the exact same day as the Kara. How can anyone not think its a fleet version of the ship?

    So are you bent because the Rom T6 Fleet Kara is not available and the Fed/KDF T6 Fleet Yamato/Kolasi *are* available? If that is the case, that's annoying, but hardly worth tossing the toys out of the pram.

    From your previous post it sounded as though you were angry that you weren't being offered the FM discount, which I figured was probably just owning the wrong ship for it. It *could* just be a bug - that's been known to happen on occasion - but I haven't seen anyone else complaining about it, which means either A) no one is trying to buy the T6 fleet Kara, or 2) it is working fine for everyone else.

    I am pretty sure, however, that this isn't a Cryptic conspiracy to intentionally TRIBBLE you over. It is obvious that the intent is to offer the usual discount. If it isn't there, file a bug report and try to have a tiny bit of patience.

    well ty for your very valuable opinion. Patience is one thing. but if you read back cryptic have denied its entire existence.
    Im a competative PvPer (yes we do still exist) and sorry for wanting to try out another ship, sadly unless its the fleet variant it just wont be able to line up againt the other ships i come up against..well not the ones worthy of a challenge that is. but hey high 5 on the valuable opinion.
  • vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    but I haven't seen anyone else complaining about it, which means either A) no one is trying to buy the T6 fleet Kara, or 2) it is working fine for everyone else.
    It's been posted in the bug section days ago by several players you even replied there. :/
    If it isn't there, file a bug report and try to have a tiny bit of patience.

    Uh I believe that's what Mattdoody and Esrea did and got stone walled didn't you read their previous comments? To be fair it's probably not a scheme by cryptic just incredible incompetence at customer service.
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