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How about an Undine Arc between Sphere of Fear's "Surface Tension" and Delta Rising's Mindscape" ?

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Remaster the Undine episodes which have or are about to be removed from the game into something epic ...

"Zella Mission"
"Suspect"
"War Games"
"Shutdown"
"Light in the dark"
"Whatever the mission was called with the Iconians in Fluidic Space."

And boom ... yay more content!

Explain what the giant Undine tentacle monster does.

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...Bring back Terradome...

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P.S Iconian vs Undine encounter!

We ... I ... want to see T'Ket rolling around on the floor with an Undine going beserk.

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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,712 Arc User
    I approve of this suggestion.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,902 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »

    We ... I ... want to see T'Ket rolling around on the floor with an Undine going beserk.

    Why did I get a weird picture in my head when I read that :p


    They should do something though...felt kinda odd that after that mission where they rid of Cooper and talked about they're we're stronger as a whole we never see them again. "We're stronger as a whole than separate! Cya! We'll leave you to your galaxy spanning War!"
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,712 Arc User
    They should do something though...felt kinda odd that after that mission where they rid of Cooper and talked about they're we're stronger as a whole we never see them again. "We're stronger as a whole than separate! Cya! We'll leave you to your galaxy spanning War!"

    Also a good point. It would be interesting if after season 11, Cryptic went back and tweaked season 10 to add episode(s) to the war. One could be heralds vs. undine where there is some reason for you to be there (offer of alliance?)
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    They should do something though...felt kinda odd that after that mission where they rid of Cooper and talked about they're we're stronger as a whole we never see them again. "We're stronger as a whole than separate! Cya! We'll leave you to your galaxy spanning War!"

    Also a good point. It would be interesting if after season 11, Cryptic went back and tweaked season 10 to add episode(s) to the war. One could be heralds vs. undine where there is some reason for you to be there (offer of alliance?)

    That or an Undine learns the truth but is killed before the rest find out.. of course Cooper finds you first and well... pew pew pew.

    For Season 11 .. remember that episode where that child alien thing captured Riker briefly? well... replace Riker with the player character and the alien child thing with a...

    Baby Undine.

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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Yeah, I could do with ugly squishy things to shoot.​​
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  • happyhappyj0yj0yhappyhappyj0yj0y Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »
    How about an Undine Arc [...]

    Remaster the Undine episodes which have or are about to be removed from the game into something epic ...

    [...]

    And boom ... yay more content!

    Uh, there already was an Undine Arc. It was called "Undine Advance". It consisted of four missions, namely "Assimilation", "The Return", "Fluid Dynamics" and "A Light in the Dark". They already revamped the Undine Arc, and the result was that it was, uh, let's say "condensed" into two missions as part of the Borg Arc... which itself used to be four missions, before becoming five, or rather three plus the two from the Undine Arc.

    If Cryptic was looking for an Undine Arc I think they'd have left the one they had and expanded upon it instead of folding it into something else. If Cryptic "revamps" the Undine episodes any more they'll end up as half a mission tacked into the Solanae Dyson Sphere Arc...
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    The Voth need a arc too while were on the subject of the spheres. There's so much potential.
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  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    Would love to see a arc in which we go into the undine fluidic space, and begin looking for cooper an the undine dreadnaught wishing to find out what happened. Maybe we actualy find the Undine are less active almost as if they might be fightning a war themselves, such as that the Dreadnaught declared a war on them after they like Cooper did not want to join in the"whole" with it. It could be literally at first we do not know much an slowly explore fluidic space much like a new sector, finding hints of what happened prior to the dreadnaught contacting us to help it unite the Undine. A war like that is of this one ship trying an uniting the Undine in fludic space might explain their disappearnce along with the fact they did not help in the war, unless we find that the Iconians were sending Harbringer ships into Fluidic space as well.

    Which than what if after the war finished an they pulled largely back (T'ket would not have same fighting force to keep this up.) the undine begin to once more cause incursions into our space attacking the Iconians for thier own Incursions into their space, while than the Iconians sent a diplomat to the fed/kdf/rom factions seeking help after the long war an their forces being divided if the race bcomes divided betwen the two surviving Iconian heads. Also what if both groups sent a diplomat one Iconian, and the other Undine giving you the choice to ally with one of the two groups, and leading into two different arcs basically being the view points on the war/attacks against the Iconians and Undine, which could use the same missions of different missions like ones that take place during our war but in fluidic space while you are mind-melded with an Undine learning what happened.

    Though i really wnat that Vila heavy bio-ship they have, to me that should have been packaged with the Undine lockbox either as the Lockbox prize or the Lobi prize, since to me the two they did use are really similar in looks.
  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    I think it would be awesome. I'm 100% for more Undine stuff.
  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    I always wonder how they got their third leg. Was it a tail or did they loose a fourth leg. For a species that uses technology, a third arm and hand would be of much more value. Anyway, that third leg means they have a balance problem; they are not good in walking, you can see it. BTW, where are their reproductive organs and where comes the disgested food out?

    Funny, they can transform into any other species including their wardrobe. I suppose there is not much fashion commerce on Undinia.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,712 Arc User
    Their fourth leg was WEAK! And the weak shall PERISH!
  • happyhappyj0yj0yhappyhappyj0yj0y Member Posts: 699 Arc User
    fovrel, firstly... the undine are bipedal. Secondly, we've never seen a female of the species.

    :D
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,531 Arc User
    Beyond the few missions that involve the Undine, I highly doubt that there should be more. As long as Undine space isn't disturbed, they will not bother our universe, so why provoke them?
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    fovrel wrote: »
    I always wonder how they got their third leg.

    That one's easy: tail (it is fluidic space).

    And as for locomotion, think of it this way. The back leg pushes, the other two pull.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Beyond the few missions that involve the Undine, I highly doubt that there should be more. As long as Undine space isn't disturbed, they will not bother our universe, so why provoke them?

    At this point they're on the war path. They've leveled ESD and Qu'Nos... they fell back after Shron's kamikaze attack... How do we know they won't come back ? :O

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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    fovrel wrote: »
    I always wonder how they got their third leg.

    That one's easy: tail (it is fluidic space).

    And as for locomotion, think of it this way. The back leg pushes, the other two pull.

    Fluid space is the biggest bull c... I have ever heard. Fluid is matter not as thick as solid, but thicker than air. Space is not even air. It is the absence of matter. We go into fluidic space in one of the missions. Did you see what happened? Did we go slower because of resistance? Did we need extra power for propulsion? Yet Undines need an extra leg to get arround in fluidic space.

    Well, perhaps I am lost here. Sometimes, I really do not understand that people with no clue on technical and scientific matters do get involved in something like Startrek and especially the artistic area.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    Maybe they didn't evolve there?
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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Beyond the few missions that involve the Undine, I highly doubt that there should be more. As long as Undine space isn't disturbed, they will not bother our universe, so why provoke them?

    They don't differentiate between the different non-fluidic species very well. All it would take is another Borg offensive into their territory for them to go nuts and start attacking everyone again.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    fovrel wrote: »
    Yet Undines need an extra leg to get arround in fluidic space.

    Well, perhaps I am lost here. Sometimes, I really do not understand that people with no clue on technical and scientific matters do get involved in something like Startrek and especially the artistic area.

    Well, basically because Star Trek was a TV show and people with the right skills/education to handle this sort of thing are Xenobiologists who don't exist yet and may never. Sci-fi isn't a blueprint, just a literary vehicle for saying things about how humans might behave with a change of setting. It's all theoretical, and therefore almost certainly wrong, and you can't hold the person who created the Undine as being any more reprehensible than the one invented the transporter (as its explained in Star Trek) or said there's a great barrier on the inside/outside of the Milky Way.

    And speaking as someone with almost the right training to make an informed xenobiologist, of all the things Star Trek suggests about alien life a tripedal alien from fluidic space is BY FAR the least innocuous. Everyone looking exactly like us is the real red-flag (because that invokes pre-Darwinian ideas for how evolution works. And yet here we are now applying Lemarkian Evolution in one of the most impactful Sci-fi properties to have ever existed.)

    Maybe they didn't evolve there?
    Ooooooooh...

    ...um...would you mind if I make a subtle, not-canon-breaking, hint towards that in an upcoming mission?
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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    I think everyone is just jealous of that third leg. You know you are, don't deny it.
  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    They don't differentiate between the different non-fluidic species very well. All it would take is another Borg offensive into their territory for them to go nuts and start attacking everyone again.

    Or someone else starts attacking them an in return they hit us again. It is a very big universe they're up against. :P
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    I think everyone is just jealous of that third leg. You know you are, don't deny it.

    Maybe ... just a little.
    Ooooooooh...

    ...um...would you mind if I make a subtle, not-canon-breaking, hint towards that in an upcoming mission?

    Go for it.

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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »
    How about an Undine Arc [...]

    Remaster the Undine episodes which have or are about to be removed from the game into something epic ...

    [...]

    And boom ... yay more content!

    Uh, there already was an Undine Arc. It was called "Undine Advance". It consisted of four missions, namely "Assimilation", "The Return", "Fluid Dynamics" and "A Light in the Dark". They already revamped the Undine Arc, and the result was that it was, uh, let's say "condensed" into two missions as part of the Borg Arc... which itself used to be four missions, before becoming five, or rather three plus the two from the Undine Arc.

    If Cryptic was looking for an Undine Arc I think they'd have left the one they had and expanded upon it instead of folding it into something else. If Cryptic "revamps" the Undine episodes any more they'll end up as half a mission tacked into the Solanae Dyson Sphere Arc...

    I so miss that arc... and that mission with Q and wolf 359.

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    How about an Undine Arc [...]

    Remaster the Undine episodes which have or are about to be removed from the game into something epic ...

    [...]

    And boom ... yay more content!

    Uh, there already was an Undine Arc. It was called "Undine Advance". It consisted of four missions, namely "Assimilation", "The Return", "Fluid Dynamics" and "A Light in the Dark". They already revamped the Undine Arc, and the result was that it was, uh, let's say "condensed" into two missions as part of the Borg Arc... which itself used to be four missions, before becoming five, or rather three plus the two from the Undine Arc.

    If Cryptic was looking for an Undine Arc I think they'd have left the one they had and expanded upon it instead of folding it into something else. If Cryptic "revamps" the Undine episodes any more they'll end up as half a mission tacked into the Solanae Dyson Sphere Arc...

    I so miss that arc... and that mission with Q and wolf 359.

    Hmmm new Q mission "Save the Gekli"

    Q turns us our ship into a Gekli and fires us into Fluidic Space to do things.

    Point of the mission:

    Primary: Fun
    Secondary: Maybe the Heralds are in Fluidic Space and Q wants to show us a glimpse at what's to come.
    Tertiary: Gekli Lockbox
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    How about an Undine Arc [...]

    Remaster the Undine episodes which have or are about to be removed from the game into something epic ...

    [...]

    And boom ... yay more content!

    Uh, there already was an Undine Arc. It was called "Undine Advance". It consisted of four missions, namely "Assimilation", "The Return", "Fluid Dynamics" and "A Light in the Dark". They already revamped the Undine Arc, and the result was that it was, uh, let's say "condensed" into two missions as part of the Borg Arc... which itself used to be four missions, before becoming five, or rather three plus the two from the Undine Arc.

    If Cryptic was looking for an Undine Arc I think they'd have left the one they had and expanded upon it instead of folding it into something else. If Cryptic "revamps" the Undine episodes any more they'll end up as half a mission tacked into the Solanae Dyson Sphere Arc...

    I so miss that arc... and that mission with Q and wolf 359.

    Hmmm new Q mission "Save the Gekli"

    Q turns us our ship into a Gekli and fires us into Fluidic Space to do things.

    Point of the mission:

    Primary: Fun
    Secondary: Maybe the Heralds are in Fluidic Space and Q wants to show us a glimpse at what's to come.
    Tertiary: Gekli Lockbox

    Only if we get dialogue saying "this isn't funny Q"

    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    gradii wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    gradii wrote: »
    thay8472 wrote: »
    How about an Undine Arc [...]

    Remaster the Undine episodes which have or are about to be removed from the game into something epic ...

    [...]

    And boom ... yay more content!

    Uh, there already was an Undine Arc. It was called "Undine Advance". It consisted of four missions, namely "Assimilation", "The Return", "Fluid Dynamics" and "A Light in the Dark". They already revamped the Undine Arc, and the result was that it was, uh, let's say "condensed" into two missions as part of the Borg Arc... which itself used to be four missions, before becoming five, or rather three plus the two from the Undine Arc.

    If Cryptic was looking for an Undine Arc I think they'd have left the one they had and expanded upon it instead of folding it into something else. If Cryptic "revamps" the Undine episodes any more they'll end up as half a mission tacked into the Solanae Dyson Sphere Arc...

    I so miss that arc... and that mission with Q and wolf 359.

    Hmmm new Q mission "Save the Gekli"

    Q turns us our ship into a Gekli and fires us into Fluidic Space to do things.

    Point of the mission:

    Primary: Fun
    Secondary: Maybe the Heralds are in Fluidic Space and Q wants to show us a glimpse at what's to come.
    Tertiary: Gekli Lockbox

    Only if we get dialogue saying "this isn't funny Q"

    That or a giant flying Epohh.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,712 Arc User
    fovrel wrote: »
    And speaking as someone with almost the right training to make an informed xenobiologist, of all the things Star Trek suggests about alien life a tripedal alien from fluidic space is BY FAR the least innocuous. Everyone looking exactly like us is the real red-flag (because that invokes pre-Darwinian ideas for how evolution works. And yet here we are now applying Lemarkian Evolution in one of the most impactful Sci-fi properties to have ever existed.)

    The humanoid races are all child races of the Preservers. That's also why Kirk can have naughty fun time with every alien female he meets.
  • asuran14asuran14 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    Well who says that we would go in uninvited really, since what if the Bio-dreadnaught that joined/absorbed Cooper might call us in either to help unify the Undine and maybe other races that might have been missed in fluidic space by the Undine, but also if the Iconians were attacking them an could still be it might ask us for help as the threat is from our universe/space. Or what if the Undine are still extremely pissed about being dupped an attcked by the Iconians like they were that they actually attack the Iconians back after the war ended (any wars or fighting would have been pulled back you might think.), and the Iconians or the Undine could seek us out either to warn us to stay away or help them (both options could work for them both.). Would make for a good way of showing the fall out from the Iconian war and what they did leading up to it comes back on them.
  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    asuran14 wrote: »
    Well who says that we would go in uninvited really, since what if the Bio-dreadnaught that joined/absorbed Cooper might call us in either to help unify the Undine and maybe other races that might have been missed in fluidic space by the Undine, but also if the Iconians were attacking them an could still be it might ask us for help as the threat is from our universe/space. Or what if the Undine are still extremely pissed about being dupped an attcked by the Iconians like they were that they actually attack the Iconians back after the war ended (any wars or fighting would have been pulled back you might think.), and the Iconians or the Undine could seek us out either to warn us to stay away or help them (both options could work for them both.). Would make for a good way of showing the fall out from the Iconian war and what they did leading up to it comes back on them.

    That's true. The Undine could see the Iconians as weak by signing a peace treaty with the Federation. If they did put two and two together and realize it was the Iconians behind the attacks upon their space, they might decide that now is the time to attack.

    Or we could get invited - the dreadnought that was piloted by Cooper could invite us.

    Or Q could send us there.

    Or they could attack us if a another species intrudes into their space.

    There are any number of ways to kickstart a new story with the Undine.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,172 Arc User
    T'Ket uses AQ ships, attacks the Undine and the process repeats itself. :open_mouth:
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